Dragonflight Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[Hitei]

So after seeing towellie respond to the art leak…who is saying the pics are from a printing area??

Tinfoil theory: he denied it so hard because it is true so he needed to take the most insane premise from chat and use it to try and debunk it

https://t.co/igr8EaY1eZ

Definitely agree it’s deliberately being done so often

>17 minute untimestamped video
If you're going to do this shit, at least summarize whatever dumb 10 second point is buried in there.

*coming back into the thread after days fighting for r/place*

Have I missed anything?

Did you miss the entire confirmed Dragonflight thing?
If so, the warcraft/blizzard site was found to have preorder data for a "Dragonflight" and an image with a hypothetical logo and key art corresponding to the same title showed up on twitter about the same time. People are linking it to a leak thread from a couple months ago with the same name, though there's not much to indicate that.

[Revamp Man]

*coming back into the thread after days fighting for r/place*

Have I missed anything?

Speculation about dal
Brox love
Talk about the high points of past expansions

[Dragons Are Bad Mkay]

My guess of how the map will look given the leak and the datamined info that supports it;

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[Fahrad Wagner]

My guess of how the map will look given the leak and the datamined info that supports it;

i.imgur . com oLGdsEL.png

Fixed that for you buddy I agree aside from Dalaran, which I think would go back to its crater, and Balor which is supposed to be much smaller

>17 minute untimestamped video
If you're going to do this shit, at least summarize whatever dumb 10 second point is buried in there.

Did you miss the entire confirmed Dragonflight thing?
If so, the warcraft/blizzard site was found to have preorder data for a "Dragonflight" and an image with a hypothetical logo and key art corresponding to the same title showed up on twitter about the same time. People are linking it to a leak thread from a couple months ago with the same name, though there's not much to indicate that.

Nah I saw all that!

Speculation about dal
Brox love
Talk about the high points of past expansions

Oki cool so I haven't missed much, thanks guys! ♥

[draugril]

So if that Dragonflight "leak" proves true (which I severely doubt), it will be ~9 weeks from leak to official announcement. Would that be the earliest leak we've had? Most I recall only came in the direct lead up to the announcement, less than a week beforehand. But I could be misremembering.

[Dragons Are Bad Mkay]

Fixed that for you buddy I agree aside from Dalaran, which I think would go back to its crater, and Balor which is supposed to be much smaller

Thank you!

I'd argue Balor will likely be the same size as any other zone in the expansion. Keep in mind Kul Tiras, the Broken Isles, Pandaria and Zandalar were all miraculously turned into entire continents because it fit the content they were adding. And yeah, Dalaran in Hillsbrad might make sense since they messed with Hillsbrad's skybox, just seems odd not to have Dalaran at the center like in WotLK and Legion.

[Sondrelk]

Out of curiosity, why are we assuming Lordaeron and Quel'thalas are going to be part of the next expansion, but not Blackrock Mountain?

Surely they are equally important in 9.2.5 given they are just done for a single questline.

[draugril]

Thank you!

I'd argue Balor will likely be the same size as any other zone in the expansion. Keep in mind Kul Tiras, the Broken Isles, Pandaria and Zandalar were all miraculously turned into entire continents because it fit the content they were adding. And yeah, Dalaran in Hillsbrad might make sense since they messed with Hillsbrad's skybox, just seems odd not to have Dalaran at the center like in WotLK and Legion.

The strange part is that they could have simply shown them as smaller on the map, even if larger in implementation. I think most players are smart enough to understand that the in-game world is merely a representation of the "real" Azeroth for the purposes of gameplay.

[Syegfryed]

Sheesh, i hope dragon isles is not besides easter kingdom, seems like all places are there, its becoming bloated, kalindor side of the ocean is too empty

[Chickat]

This is why an elective spec system would make more sense. If the one spec was something you chose to add to your classes' selection. A few general abilities but for the most part all abilities are locked to the spec: A Death Knight Minstrel & A Mage Minstrel would have the same rotations, but the Mage Minstrel has Time Warp & the Death Knight Minstrel has a battle rez. Etc.

Because a bard, minstrel or tinker would actually be something totally new. Just like Demon Hunter & Death Knight & Monk were very new & iconic. Dark Ranger is extremely close to hunter, especially after giving them undead taming. Necromancer is extremely similar to any of the casters, especially after giving them necrolord customization. Warden are just militant elves. etc. The game feels like it needs new Healers & Tanks, not new dps specs.

You're most likely correct, which I already explained in my post. So thanks for replying in the nastiest way possible.

There was nothing nasty about my reply.

[Kiria]

Microclasses by definition are terrible because they will be treated like second-rate features.


This means no tier, no flavor aside from what's out of the box, nothing like an artifact or class hall because making all that for one spec is useless.


Which then players of said microclass will feel like they're wasting their time, this isn't XIV, if you roll a microclass just to get nothing, you have to completely redo your class to play something else.


And then if they do get special attention and features, then what is the point of the microclass moniker? It's just a lose-lose either way. This isn't even getting into the fact that the DF leak is obviously fake.

You can't prove this to be true, if FFXIV can pump out AF gear which is unique per class then surely WoW should be putting in the same effort after all with tier sets they are currently designing less unique sets than FFXIV and thats their biggest competitor.

Example not including Crafting Gear which is unique (This is per expansion release no patches);

FFXIV
AF:
4x Tanks (Paladin, Warrior, Dark Knight, Gunbreaker)
5x Melee DPS (Monk, Dragoon, Ninja, Samurai, Reaper)
4x Healers (White Mage, Scholar, Astrologian, Sage)
3x Physical Ranged DPS (Bard, Machinist, Dancer)
4x Magical Ranged DPS (Black Mage, Summoner, Red Mage, Blue Mage)
Total = 20 individual armours

Through the course of levelling there is a new Armour design per subset of Classes for each Dungeon,(there was 8 dungeons on release 4 dropped armour)
Levelling:
1x Tanking
1x Melee DPS
1x Healer
1x Physical Ranged DPS
1x Magical Ranged DPS
Total = 5 Individual armours

Once Max level you Get Tome Gear to earn via Dailies,
Tome Gear:
1x Tanking
1x Melee DPS
1x Healer
1x Physical Ranged DPS
1x Magical Ranged DPS
Total = 5 Individual armours

Weekly Raid:
1x Tanking
1x Melee DPS
1x Healer
1x Physical Ranged DPS
1x Magical Ranged DPS
Total = 5 Individual armours

Thats 35 unique Armours for a base expansion in FFXIV.

Next let's look at WoW's base armour design per base expansion,

Tier Gear:
12 Classes 12 unique Tier sets, These sets change in no way shape or form depending on spec also they mostly recolour armours per difficulty.
Total = 12 Armours sets

Levelling:
There are 4 subsets of Armours Cloth, Leather, Mail & Plate usually they design 1 set and recolour it over each new area you enter up to a max of 4.
Total = 4 Armour sets

Early Endgame:
Not entirely sure if the armour changes in design in Heroics when you are gearing up for raiding but we will count it because so far their effort compared to their biggest competitor seems Paltry,
Total = 4 Armour sets

This brings WoW to designing a whopping 20 unique designs per architype per base expansion..

The WoW team truly need to step up their armour design and getting it out there to the players if they want to compete but to say it would water down gear sets is pure fallacy.

[Chickat]

What happened to teriz?

[huth]

What happened to teriz?

Shhh! Maybe we're lucky and it stays that way.

[Khaza-R]

Sheesh, i hope dragon isles is not besides easter kingdom, seems like all places are there, its becoming bloated, kalindor side of the ocean is too empty

Everyone is assuming Dragon Isles is the setting at all. Much less its going to be a continent sized area smacked in the middle of the map.

None of which are confirmed at this point.

[Fahrad Wagner]

Out of curiosity, why are we assuming Lordaeron and Quel'thalas are going to be part of the next expansion, but not Blackrock Mountain?

Surely they are equally important in 9.2.5 given they are just done for a single questline.

If they do go for a revamp, it will come later, but I assume it's out of the equation because I don't think they'd leave "unrevamped" zones in between

What happened to teriz?

They're taking one big nap.

[Revamp Man]

What happened to teriz?

Likely on vacation for a bit

The troll response is “he’s currently being watched for his own safety because tinkers seem dead for 10.0”

[Izalla]

What happened to teriz?

Don't worry I'm sure he will come back with a bang the moment he is free to do so.

[draugril]

The WoW team truly need to step up their armour design and getting it out there to the players if they want to compete but to say it would water down gear sets is pure fallacy.

It's also worth mentioning that, while WoW has recently taken a few steps in this direction, FFXIV has always had fully-modeled gear with a variety of textures and dyeable options. Nothing just painted on, here.

That isn't to say that FFXIV is inherently better - all I'm getting at is that WoW has the potential to strive higher than its already considerable highs, especially regarding the art department which has always been stellar.

[micwini]

A few pages ago someone asked what the "familiar Warcraft theme" in the "leak" could refer to and I've been thinking about it.

It could be a lot of things, but I would love it if they did a new rendition of the soundtrack that starts at 1:26 and used it for a trailer.

Interesting! You know what other expansion has a rendition of this soundtrack in the login music? Cataclysm!! Skip to 10:55

[draugril]

Don't worry I'm sure he will come back with a bang the moment he is free to do so.

He gets a bit too much hate these days - he has toned it down considerably recently. I would love to hear his take on a "micro" Tinker class.