Dragonflight Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[Dioporco]

That scale is completely off. Northrend is less than half the size. Lordaeron would be incredibly huge, especially for it's supposed type of government. Arthas would have had to travel for weeks to get places, not days. All the expedition islands, as well as Zandalar and Kul Tiras, are also excessively large.

Looks like the creator just went with what "sounds right" without actually checking how big that would really be. Like G. R. R. Martins 700 foot wall. Lordaeron is nearly the size of the US on that map. Dalaran would be over 50 miles diameter.

it just made by a wow cartographer, i guess that a random poster on mmo c is right.


rofl




you are probably drunk because this is the size of "lordaeron"

[Wangming]

My assumption would be the classes? Larps McGee said we'd be getting no classes, but here we are (as a community) getting hyped for four-plus-change new classes. I'd be lying if I said I didn't want to believe.

Well it is true that 4 new specs and 3 new skins is a lot. But people want their new toys and an apology presented in the form of a content rich expansion with regular patches.
TBC added two new races
Wrath added a new class
Cata added two new races
Mop added a new race and a new class
WoD added neither
Legion added a new class
BfA added 8 new races
SL added neither...
DF has to add something again.

[Dioporco]

https://azerothatlas.net/

if you want to play with the interactive map, the °size° is from game maps real size and the KM legend is a mix from lore/book

[Nymrohd]

The city could easily move back to Northrend.
Hell in Legion we saw it go from Northrend to Karazhan to the Broken Isles in one questline.

The city is supposedly constantly on the move.

[Vakir]

I think it has more to do with shifting expectations to WoW.
It used to be much more exploration focused, and things like doing raids were considered a reward for completing everything leading up to it.
Places like Deadwind pass worked because you had to run past it on the ground, which added a sense of scale to the game.

The playerbase now instead wants a much faster experience where being in any way inconvenienced and being forced to actually play the game is seen as the developers being actively malicious.

A slower more contemplative experience has essentially been made obsolete by the playstyle that WotLK pushed. That of quickly levelling mostly to make players commit to a class before going into raiding, the true WoW experience.
All the other stuff is just there to feed into raiding, as opposed to Vanilla where everything is much less focused, but in return much more varied.

Without question. That's kinda why I described the community as voracious. Everything is in service to chasing the furthering on the endgame treadmill with minimal hiccups. I loved Legion but it just reinforced it. Everything now is defined around its relationship to player power or being "real content."

[AngerFork]

My assumption would be the classes? Larps McGee said we'd be getting no classes, but here we are (as a community) getting hyped for four-plus-change new classes. I'd be lying if I said I didn't want to believe.

Personally, I'm expecting somewhere in between. The actual expansion never quite lives up to the hype people generate in their "leaks", in part because it's easy to throw out something that's pure candy. Adding in two healing specs alongside a new DPS & Tank in four separate classes is a major ask, especially alongside things like housing & new class skins. That would be a massive undertaking & a lot of extra work going forward. But it's also pretty easy to disregard what ol' Larp-n-Lie over there is saying, given that we aren't getting any specifics from them.

My guess is that if the Dragonflight leak we got was legit (big IF, still not sure I buy it), some of it is based on old information & some of it may have been pared down since then. He had the wrong announcement date, so it's not like that leak is spot on as is.

[ercarp]

I made this as a rough concept of what I think the Dragon Isles should/could look like. I know it's not super innovative as it basically just combines the obvious ideas all into one, like having one zone for each dragonflight and including a Titan Facility (which is something everyone already expects).

If I had more time, I could have tried to flesh it out with more info about raids, dungeons, quest hubs, etc. but I also don't think I'm very good at coming up with ideas like that. My only wish is that we get more Caverns of Time type stuff if there's a Bronze dragonflight zone.



EDIT: Also, in hindsight, I'd probably swap the locations of some of these zones. Like maybe Blue dragonflight's zone should be in the center so the snow makes more sense (?) and Bronze dragonflight's zone should be where I placed the Green dragonflight's zone.

[Ersula]

I think it's inevitable, which maybe makes me partially put some faith in the microclass leak, because adding several new classes in one expansion seems like something they would do to try to bring back many players. All I really want is a brand new class with Legion/Mop gameplay and the dragon isles as the continent and I will be satisfied.

The past two expansions have basically just been legion but with its progression systems scrambled & made more complicated so you don't notice Ion is creatively bankrupt.

[draugril]

DF has to add something again.

Definitely. Another formulaic entry with no content being added that will survive the expansion would be a deathknell for me. I already sat most of this expansion out. Another like it, and I won't even bother. I'll still come here to speculate because I am invested in the franchise, but there just wouldn't be anything that engages me anymore.

[Hardwing]

I made this as a rough concept of what I think the Dragon Isles should/could look like. I know it's not super innovative as it basically just combines the obvious ideas all into one, like having one zone for each dragonflight and including a Titan Facility (which is something everyone already expects).

If I had more time, I could have tried to flesh it out with more info about raids, dungeons, quest hubs, etc. but I also don't think I'm very good at coming up with ideas like that. My only wish is that we get more Caverns of Time type stuff if there's a Bronze dragonflight zone.



EDIT: Also, in hindsight, I'd probably swap the locations of some of these zones. Like maybe Blue dragonflight's zone should be in the center so the snow makes more sense (?) and Bronze dragonflight's zone should be where I placed the Green dragonflight's zone.

Definitely looks cool! Like how all is connected here.

[draugril]

My guess is that if the Dragonflight leak we got was legit (big IF, still not sure I buy it), some of it is based on old information & some of it may have been pared down since then. He had the wrong announcement date, so it's not like that leak is spot on as is.

I don't buy it, at all. I completely acknowledge that its my own confirmation bias that wants me to believe it.

[AngerFork]

I made this as a rough concept of what I think the Dragon Isles should/could look like. I know it's not super innovative as it basically just combines the obvious ideas all into one, like having one zone for each dragonflight and including a Titan Facility (which is something everyone already expects).

If I had more time, I could have tried to flesh it out with more info about raids, dungeons, quest hubs, etc. but I also don't think I'm very good at coming up with ideas like that. My only wish is that we get more Caverns of Time type stuff if there's a Bronze dragonflight zone.



EDIT: Also, in hindsight, I'd probably swap the locations of some of these zones. Like maybe Blue dragonflight's zone should be in the center so the snow makes more sense (?) and Bronze dragonflight's zone should be where I placed the Green dragonflight's zone.

Cool design, very nice!

Out of curiosity, why did you opt for this specific map design? My initial thought looking at this is that they would perhaps line up in a similar fashion to how we see the dragonshrines aligned in Dragonblight, but this is a pretty cool design as well.

I don't buy it, at all. I completely acknowledge that its my own confirmation bias that wants me to believe it.

Heh, in that case I'll proudly share that confirmation bias with you. If I'm healing a Tinker & a Dragon Knight through a Bronze Dragon dungeon next expansion, I will be a very happy Resto Druid.

[Sondrelk]

I made this as a rough concept of what I think the Dragon Isles should/could look like. I know it's not super innovative as it basically just combines the obvious ideas all into one, like having one zone for each dragonflight and including a Titan Facility (which is something everyone already expects).

If I had more time, I could have tried to flesh it out with more info about raids, dungeons, quest hubs, etc. but I also don't think I'm very good at coming up with ideas like that. My only wish is that we get more Caverns of Time type stuff if there's a Bronze dragonflight zone.

[IMG]https://i.imgur.com/3K1cs76.png[IMG]

EDIT: Also, in hindsight, I'd probably swap the locations of some of these zones. Like maybe Blue dragonflight's zone should be in the center so the snow makes more sense (?) and Bronze dragonflight's zone should be where I placed the Green dragonflight's zone.

Not sure why Acherys is there? Feels like you added it just because it's what Legion did.

Also, as much as I like Dalaran i really don't want another expansion where it's an expansion hub. Maybe have everyone be in Loreth'aran instead.



Was pretty funny to have yet another of Deathwings secret lairs though. This has to be the third or fourth one, surely?

[Kiivar86]

The Red dragons would be thrilled to have Acherus so close after the DK mount quest...

Also minor quibble but Loreth'Aran's ruins are partially located on Bloodmyst already.

[Khaza-R]

I made this as a rough concept of what I think the Dragon Isles should/could look like. I know it's not super innovative as it basically just combines the obvious ideas all into one, like having one zone for each dragonflight and including a Titan Facility (which is something everyone already expects).

If I had more time, I could have tried to flesh it out with more info about raids, dungeons, quest hubs, etc. but I also don't think I'm very good at coming up with ideas like that. My only wish is that we get more Caverns of Time type stuff if there's a Bronze dragonflight zone.

-SNIP-

EDIT: Also, in hindsight, I'd probably swap the locations of some of these zones. Like maybe Blue dragonflight's zone should be in the center so the snow makes more sense (?) and Bronze dragonflight's zone should be where I placed the Green dragonflight's zone.

Neat concept. I like that you went with the serpentine shape.

I would of swapped Bronze and Blue / Red and Black. Icy mountains the feed into a lush forest and then grasslands it plausible. Black could also be mountainous but volcanic and extend into the wastes that become a desert.

[Minoradditions]

I wanted to note another thing that the Dragonflight text leak got correct that nobody mentioned: Ebon Blade not being involved.

This was months before 9.2 released and the end of the campaign where it was revealed the Ebon Blade was going back to Northrend/ICC instead of staying on EK to help with the Scourge, which many people assumed they would do OR the Scourge would be dealt with in SL (it wasn't).

Also, the three Life themed Order Halls (Shaman, Monk and Druid are all tentatively connected) being absent from launch could be explained by future zones being Life themed, and so that is when they would get involved. Especially if the Lifelands are explored to some extent later on considering how Elune has a connection to the Dragons and the expansion seems to be Life/growth themed to an extent.

[Zulggun]

I made this as a rough concept of what I think the Dragon Isles should/could look like. I know it's not super innovative as it basically just combines the obvious ideas all into one, like having one zone for each dragonflight and including a Titan Facility (which is something everyone already expects).

If I had more time, I could have tried to flesh it out with more info about raids, dungeons, quest hubs, etc. but I also don't think I'm very good at coming up with ideas like that. My only wish is that we get more Caverns of Time type stuff if there's a Bronze dragonflight zone.



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Looks really cool, good work. Especially like the little islands conecting blue and black zones, fun concept.
Also I like the idea of dragon expansion bringing us new desert zone with brown dragonflight. I'm a sucker for deserts.

[Zankai27]

Hello everyone! I’ve been following the thread closely and, given how positive the reception has been, I thought I’d pop in just to confirm that Dragonflight is indeed the title of the next expansion! However, I would also encourage everyone to rein back their expectations a little, especially concerning the “leak thread” that coincidentally guessed the title. We do have ambitious plans, but not in the same direction.

Shut the hell up with your stupid dev LARP.

[LalaGamer]

Fixed that for you buddy I agree aside from Dalaran, which I think would go back to its crater, and Balor which is supposed to be much smaller



Nah I saw all that!



Oki cool so I haven't missed much, thanks guys! ♥

Silverpine Forest is also part of Lordaeron.

[Ashapls]

imgur .com/a/rkQPOrX

Does the shot of Eversong in Shattered Legacies cinematic add any credence to potential a "Quel'Thalas Update"? I understand it's a cinematic, but how much of the environment assets could have been used from any updated assets coming in 10.0 (9.2.5)?