Dragonflight Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[draugril]

You lost me at “like FF”

FFXIV is doing a lot of things right that WoW misses the mark on. The inverse is also true. The difference is, FFXIV developers are willing to learn the lessons that their competitors are teaching them, whereas WoW is mired in its own past.

Blizzard used to be known to taking the best practices in their genre of choice, consolidating them, perfecting them, and launching games that are the pinnacle of their genre for years. Now? They've stopped looking externally. They've stopped trying to innovate almost entirely. And it's precisely because they share the attitude you're espousing here: "It wasn't my idea, therefore, it's a bad idea."

They spent so long at the top that they forgot how they got there in the first place.

[Sondrelk]

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOR

all classes get the 4 micro classes and you can swap like a FF job.

So as has been discussed here before. It only really works if you massively rework the class system as a whole to fit a bastard class into it.

Surely at that point you would just see classes being revamped entirely, and the idea of micro classes being alongside other classes would be meaningless.

[Nightshade711]

Just like WoW lost subs to them with that.

FF is dying because the small hype train it built up ran outta fuel
PvP is absolute dog water compared to WoW too.

The idea of the ‘jobs’ doesn’t seem like it’ll fit wow.
“Oh boy I’m a max level warlock time to suddenly learn how to be a Paladin!
Death Knight time to learn how to be a Druid!”

[Dioporco]

So as has been discussed here before. It only really works if you massively rework the class system as a whole to fit a bastard class into it.

Surely at that point you would just see classes being revamped entirely, and the idea of micro classes being alongside other classes would be meaningless.

There isnt a massive work to do at all.


Micro 1 Spec Classes are the "jobs" you can swap, on top of the base class you choose.



You cant go from Paladin to Rogue but you can go from Paladin to Tinker and from Rogue to Tinker too.

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FF is dying because the small hype train it built up ran outta fuel

[citation needed] meanwhile 9.2 has like 300k players in raid atm kk

The idea of the ‘jobs’ doesn’t seem like it’ll fit wow.
“Oh boy I’m a max level warlock time to suddenly learn how to be a Paladin!
Death Knight time to learn how to be a Druid!”

neither the idea of begin able to swap covenant freely or professions or the fact that every classes has a heal and a defensive cd compared on how it started wow



things changes.

[draugril]

Something I miss about WoW at launch is purposeless zones. They were fun to just explore and speculate about. They were the promise of future content, made manifest. And they made the rest of the world feel larger simply by existing - there were areas that weren't all that relevant to anything, like Winterspring, Deadwind Pass, the Blasted Lands and so on. They exist because they built the world first instead of having the needs of the gameplay determine the very geology of the world.

[Wangming]

uhh zandalar a bit off the chart isnt?

Ehh you may have a point there. Though Zandalar seems more to be the exception than the rule. Teased locations often change in sized, but not nearly as much as Zandalar did. If the isles really end up so big than either they are in another realm like Ny'alotha, or moving around like Shen-zin-Su. Hard to imagine any other way they can stay hidden for this long.

[George Lucas]

The fuck is Dire Maul doing all the way over there?

Feralas wasn't a zone yet. Would have been a dungeon in the ruins of Alterac City, but got cut and later repurporsed and bundled with the whole Shen'dralar/Eldre'thalas stuff that was developed long after this map.

[Wangming]

FF is dying because the small hype train it built up ran outta fuel

Have you considered stand-up comedy? You are hilarious

[Vakir]

I assume then that you guessed the name Dragonflight, updated Dalaran, Quel'thalas being merged into one zone and the like? If you did, we can put the leak to rest the moment you post where you came up with these easy guesses!

That's not really how broad guesses work. Or debunking. So that would be a very silly assumption on your part.

The Dalaran being updated is the one in Northrend. So it doesn't follow for certain that it's associated as a Dalaran 3.0 hub. It can mean any number of things including a pre-event use, developer tinkering related to a side projects (like other past changes to maps that went nowhere), or even just giving it detail parity with Legion's Dalaran.

So we have a generalized expansion name and Quel'thalas as a merged zone as our two remaining pieces. From a banned account that usually indicates multiple sock puppets or ban evasion, which can easily indicate multiple leaks from the same source. The reveal date is wrong but I'll let that slide, there's probably a lot of uncertainty surrounding that internally.

It's not enough. Look no further than EoA. People took that as a given because of many factors that also looked convincing with new information. Khadgar showing up interacting with Jaina in the epilogue, Lordaeron updating in 9.2.5, allied race weapons being added, and a mount associated with reindeer were all treated as juicy evidence and people were equally convinced...and then we got Dragonflight as the name, throwing everything else out.

Everything looks convincing when you have enough variables floating around that some of them hit. But all it takes is one thing to not match to let the entire tower fall. This is why it's cognitively very easy to fall into the trap of seeing a puzzle as completed when you only have 5% of the solution. I've been around and seen it happen since the beginning.

[Dioporco]

Ehh you may have a point there. Though Zandalar seems more to be the exception than the rule. Teased locations often change in sized, but not nearly as much as Zandalar did. If the isles really end up so big than either they are in another realm like Ny'alotha, or moving around like Shen-zin-Su. Hard to imagine any other way they can stay hidden for this long.

Alpha Build and Maps are archaic.

Dire Maul was in Eastern Kingdom and went to Kalimdor...so I mean alpha vanilla was just an idea and by logic after finding Pandaria roaming the seas, we miss underground continent and or flying continent.


Keeping finding islands out of nowhere is getting a bit ridicolous.

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Have you considered stand-up comedy? You are hilarious

rofl i noticed now the avatar 10/10

[Kiivar86]

Feralas wasn't a zone yet. Would have been a dungeon in the ruins of Alterac City, but got cut and later repurporsed and bundled with the whole Shen'dralar/Eldre'thalas stuff that was developed long after this map.

Oh that would explain some things. Interesting!

That's quite the relocation though, all the same.

[Syegfryed]

Dragonmaw under Garrosh still had the demons chains and still did the same things they did under Nekrosh, case closed, read the book next time.

this have nothing to do with alexstaza, and you said right, had

so agaan, you are getting worked up by small potatos, get over it like everyone else did.

[Dioporco]

this have nothing to do with alexstaza, and you said right, had

so agaan, you are getting worked up by small potatos, get over it like everyone else did.

You truly cant understand english. not worth the time.

[Wangming]

Keeping finding islands out of nowhere is getting a bit ridicolous.

It would be interesting to get a full overworld map with even expedition islands included. Sure they aren't big, but they do occupy space.

[Syegfryed]

Children absolutely grow up hearing tales of other people if the group they are apart of consists of a variety of ethnicities and races.
Groups like *gasp* the Horde!

Yeah, and they will know the stories of the variety of ethnicities races of the horde, not the enemy, lmao.

I'm sure if Billy'jin asks "What is that big white tower a bit into the forest?" some Troll, Tauren, Belf, etc. can jump in to fill the blanks.

How can they fill the blanks if they don't know? why they would know night elves myths and tales? lol

Especially if those storytellers are travelers like Rexxar, who are bound to know quite a few things about the places they travel around.

sure, Rexxar learn ancient night elf writing

[Dioporco]

It would be interesting to get a full overworld map with even expedition islands included. Sure they aren't big, but they do occupy space.

Because the entire Azeroth map is wrong regarding the °scale°


Also i am quite sure that ulduar/mother has some azeroth map updated, so we should just check there or ask her.

[Broingal]

I'm starting to think Dragonflight isn't an expansion, but rather a spin-off, maybe the mobile game. The registered domain is "dragonflight.blizzard.com" which is a big red flag to me.

That "style" is used for full games: "diabloimmortal.blizzard.com," "diablo4.blizzard.com/en-us/," etc. the Shadowlands and even Classic "sites" are just sub-pages on the main WoW website: "worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/shadowlands" and "worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/wowclassic"

Given that, it looks like Dragonflight may be it's own game, not an expansion.

[ro9ue]

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOR

all classes get the 4 micro classes and you can swap like a FF job.

They wouldn't do that I think because of the armor proficiencies. If you were a plate wearer and had minstrel, you would need to carry around a set of leather armor and roll on 2 sets of gear. Plus whatever weapons that are different. It would create a bunch of unnecessary complications.

[huth]

Yea flying island (between Northrend and Broken Isle) would be noticeable just like gigantic continents off the shore of lordaeron

What gigantic continents? You're treating the map as if it was to scale. It's not. It only denotes the general location, not the actual space taken up by it.

A bunch of small islands off Lordaeron wouldn't be all that noticeable. Sure, they would look large in-game, but that's because Lordaeron itself is only the size of a small island there. Liechtenstein is larger than all Azerothian landmasses in game together, and it's tiny.

[Dioporco]

https://wow.zamimg.com/uploads/scree...mal/960686.jpg


This should be the most "plausible" azeroth map with proper scaling

with island expedition islands @Wangming