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    Quote Originally Posted by Dioporco View Post
    Just like WoW lost subs to them with that.
    The only thing WoW is losing subs to is WoW itself by making the game shittier with every expansion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Feali View Post
    The only thing WoW is losing subs to is WoW itself by making the game shittier with every expansion.
    Not only by that but hey

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dioporco View Post
    *back when vanilla was developed*

    doesnt really says nothing?


    Blizzard had this map too



    uhh zandalar a bit off the chart isnt?
    The fuck is Dire Maul doing all the way over there?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nightshade711 View Post
    You lost me at “like FF”
    FFXIV is doing a lot of things right that WoW misses the mark on. The inverse is also true. The difference is, FFXIV developers are willing to learn the lessons that their competitors are teaching them, whereas WoW is mired in its own past.

    Blizzard used to be known to taking the best practices in their genre of choice, consolidating them, perfecting them, and launching games that are the pinnacle of their genre for years. Now? They've stopped looking externally. They've stopped trying to innovate almost entirely. And it's precisely because they share the attitude you're espousing here: "It wasn't my idea, therefore, it's a bad idea."

    They spent so long at the top that they forgot how they got there in the first place.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dioporco View Post
    OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOR

    all classes get the 4 micro classes and you can swap like a FF job.
    So as has been discussed here before. It only really works if you massively rework the class system as a whole to fit a bastard class into it.

    Surely at that point you would just see classes being revamped entirely, and the idea of micro classes being alongside other classes would be meaningless.
    The world revamp dream will never die!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dioporco View Post
    Just like WoW lost subs to them with that.
    FF is dying because the small hype train it built up ran outta fuel
    PvP is absolute dog water compared to WoW too.

    The idea of the ‘jobs’ doesn’t seem like it’ll fit wow.
    “Oh boy I’m a max level warlock time to suddenly learn how to be a Paladin!
    Death Knight time to learn how to be a Druid!”
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    Chen isn't a Monk
    Quote Originally Posted by Teriz View Post
    what exactly makes Dwarves an underground race?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sondrelk View Post
    So as has been discussed here before. It only really works if you massively rework the class system as a whole to fit a bastard class into it.

    Surely at that point you would just see classes being revamped entirely, and the idea of micro classes being alongside other classes would be meaningless.
    There isnt a massive work to do at all.


    Micro 1 Spec Classes are the "jobs" you can swap, on top of the base class you choose.



    You cant go from Paladin to Rogue but you can go from Paladin to Tinker and from Rogue to Tinker too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nightshade711 View Post
    FF is dying because the small hype train it built up ran outta fuel

    [citation needed] meanwhile 9.2 has like 300k players in raid atm kk


    The idea of the ‘jobs’ doesn’t seem like it’ll fit wow.
    “Oh boy I’m a max level warlock time to suddenly learn how to be a Paladin!
    Death Knight time to learn how to be a Druid!”
    neither the idea of begin able to swap covenant freely or professions or the fact that every classes has a heal and a defensive cd compared on how it started wow



    things changes.

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    Something I miss about WoW at launch is purposeless zones. They were fun to just explore and speculate about. They were the promise of future content, made manifest. And they made the rest of the world feel larger simply by existing - there were areas that weren't all that relevant to anything, like Winterspring, Deadwind Pass, the Blasted Lands and so on. They exist because they built the world first instead of having the needs of the gameplay determine the very geology of the world.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dioporco View Post

    uhh zandalar a bit off the chart isnt?
    Ehh you may have a point there. Though Zandalar seems more to be the exception than the rule. Teased locations often change in sized, but not nearly as much as Zandalar did. If the isles really end up so big than either they are in another realm like Ny'alotha, or moving around like Shen-zin-Su. Hard to imagine any other way they can stay hidden for this long.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kiivar86 View Post
    The fuck is Dire Maul doing all the way over there?
    Feralas wasn't a zone yet. Would have been a dungeon in the ruins of Alterac City, but got cut and later repurporsed and bundled with the whole Shen'dralar/Eldre'thalas stuff that was developed long after this map.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nightshade711 View Post
    FF is dying because the small hype train it built up ran outta fuel
    Have you considered stand-up comedy? You are hilarious

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dragons Are Bad Mkay View Post
    I assume then that you guessed the name Dragonflight, updated Dalaran, Quel'thalas being merged into one zone and the like? If you did, we can put the leak to rest the moment you post where you came up with these easy guesses!
    That's not really how broad guesses work. Or debunking. So that would be a very silly assumption on your part.

    The Dalaran being updated is the one in Northrend. So it doesn't follow for certain that it's associated as a Dalaran 3.0 hub. It can mean any number of things including a pre-event use, developer tinkering related to a side projects (like other past changes to maps that went nowhere), or even just giving it detail parity with Legion's Dalaran.

    So we have a generalized expansion name and Quel'thalas as a merged zone as our two remaining pieces. From a banned account that usually indicates multiple sock puppets or ban evasion, which can easily indicate multiple leaks from the same source. The reveal date is wrong but I'll let that slide, there's probably a lot of uncertainty surrounding that internally.

    It's not enough. Look no further than EoA. People took that as a given because of many factors that also looked convincing with new information. Khadgar showing up interacting with Jaina in the epilogue, Lordaeron updating in 9.2.5, allied race weapons being added, and a mount associated with reindeer were all treated as juicy evidence and people were equally convinced...and then we got Dragonflight as the name, throwing everything else out.

    Everything looks convincing when you have enough variables floating around that some of them hit. But all it takes is one thing to not match to let the entire tower fall. This is why it's cognitively very easy to fall into the trap of seeing a puzzle as completed when you only have 5% of the solution. I've been around and seen it happen since the beginning.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wangming View Post
    Ehh you may have a point there. Though Zandalar seems more to be the exception than the rule. Teased locations often change in sized, but not nearly as much as Zandalar did. If the isles really end up so big than either they are in another realm like Ny'alotha, or moving around like Shen-zin-Su. Hard to imagine any other way they can stay hidden for this long.
    Alpha Build and Maps are archaic.

    Dire Maul was in Eastern Kingdom and went to Kalimdor...so I mean alpha vanilla was just an idea and by logic after finding Pandaria roaming the seas, we miss underground continent and or flying continent.


    Keeping finding islands out of nowhere is getting a bit ridicolous.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wangming View Post
    Have you considered stand-up comedy? You are hilarious
    rofl i noticed now the avatar 10/10

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    Quote Originally Posted by George Lucas View Post
    Feralas wasn't a zone yet. Would have been a dungeon in the ruins of Alterac City, but got cut and later repurporsed and bundled with the whole Shen'dralar/Eldre'thalas stuff that was developed long after this map.
    Oh that would explain some things. Interesting!

    That's quite the relocation though, all the same.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dioporco View Post
    Dragonmaw under Garrosh still had the demons chains and still did the same things they did under Nekrosh, case closed, read the book next time.
    this have nothing to do with alexstaza, and you said right, had

    so agaan, you are getting worked up by small potatos, get over it like everyone else did.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Syegfryed View Post
    this have nothing to do with alexstaza, and you said right, had

    so agaan, you are getting worked up by small potatos, get over it like everyone else did.
    You truly cant understand english. not worth the time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dioporco View Post
    Keeping finding islands out of nowhere is getting a bit ridicolous.
    It would be interesting to get a full overworld map with even expedition islands included. Sure they aren't big, but they do occupy space.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arafal View Post
    Children absolutely grow up hearing tales of other people if the group they are apart of consists of a variety of ethnicities and races.
    Groups like *gasp* the Horde!
    Yeah, and they will know the stories of the variety of ethnicities races of the horde, not the enemy, lmao.
    I'm sure if Billy'jin asks "What is that big white tower a bit into the forest?" some Troll, Tauren, Belf, etc. can jump in to fill the blanks.
    How can they fill the blanks if they don't know? why they would know night elves myths and tales? lol
    Especially if those storytellers are travelers like Rexxar, who are bound to know quite a few things about the places they travel around.
    sure, Rexxar learn ancient night elf writing

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wangming View Post
    It would be interesting to get a full overworld map with even expedition islands included. Sure they aren't big, but they do occupy space.
    Because the entire Azeroth map is wrong regarding the °scale°


    Also i am quite sure that ulduar/mother has some azeroth map updated, so we should just check there or ask her.

  20. #36800
    I'm starting to think Dragonflight isn't an expansion, but rather a spin-off, maybe the mobile game. The registered domain is "dragonflight.blizzard.com" which is a big red flag to me.

    That "style" is used for full games: "diabloimmortal.blizzard.com," "diablo4.blizzard.com/en-us/," etc. the Shadowlands and even Classic "sites" are just sub-pages on the main WoW website: "worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/shadowlands" and "worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/wowclassic"

    Given that, it looks like Dragonflight may be it's own game, not an expansion.

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