Dragonflight Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[SniperCT]

I could see Bards being a Rogue tanking specialization in the form of the aforementioned Dashing Swashbuckler archetype. They'd focus on agility, trickery, and a few buffs based on some kind of enchanted instruments they've "legally procured" some time ago.

Give me the rogue tank spec I've wanted since vanilla pls and thank you. I would...really dig this concept actually. Honestly outlaw/combat spec would be perfect for it. I've played rogue tanks before in other games, and did some rogue offtanking back in the day in UBRS and some other dungeons. (stack a ton of of agility and dodge) It was fun.

[Khaza-R]

Do we have reason to believe that's legitimate?

No. It would of been a lot more plausible for me if Galakrond was the one narrating it.

Alexstrasza just being like - let me show you this place we intentionally hid from you for no reason doesn't make much sense when you break it down.

[SniperCT]

No, especially given how crazy the idea that someone saw this once and could remember all these details.
But we can definitely wish it's true Cause it sounds awesome.

Eh, my wife has a very good memory of things she's only seen once. She could probably break down a 4 minute trailer easily enough.

[Hitei]

Do we have reason to believe that's legitimate?

It's painfully fake. It makes no sense for Alexstrasza, who has never left Azeroth to be talking about how the dragons belong on Azeroth and it's their home. 100% written by some random player who is especially unhappy with cosmic focus wanting to "go home".

[Zankai27]

Man I’m glad Teriz is gone; I don’t think he could handle the possibility of a Minstrel class or of Tinkers only having a DPS spec

[Khaza-R]

As long as we get a new class and maybe a new race that is not some dogshit ass cringe garbage furry / scaley shit, we good

Well there was the "survivor class" what was found some time back. So seems you might get at least half of your wish.

[Slowpoke is a Gamer]

Do we have reason to believe that's legitimate?

We have no reason to believe anything is legitimate except for the name Dragonflight.

[draugril]

Well there was the "survivor class" what was found some time back. So seems you might get at least half of your wish.

That seemed to be connected to Exile's Reach, was it not? The speculation being that you would choose your class during gameplay?

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We have no reason to believe anything is legitimate except for the name Dragonflight.

That was my impression. Just thought I'd ask since it was presented when someone asked if there was anything new. Thanks!

[Nymrohd]

That doesn't sound bad at all. I'd enjoy it. I'm more of a Wintergrasp type, as I've said ad nauseum, but it's a very good idea and sounds pretty effectual. It would be somewhat more like Warfronts as advertised.

Well yeah. It should have been as advertised
This is the biggest issue with WoW. Features should keep being iterated upon until they work. Then they should be kept and maintained. Instead often they are just retired either without ever really making an effort to make them work or even worse, they are actually made functional or even good and then retired anyway.

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Btw I got no response to this concept I posted from earlier.
What if we got a class that is also a race? Wrathion helps a batch of Chromatic whelps hatch, a leftover experiment by Nefarian. You can play a whelp, shift between multiple forms (your chosen humanoid form, an HD whelp or small drake form and a hybrid combat form like the one Hearthstone Mercenaries created for Wrathion). You can also tap into your Chromatic heritage to shift between colors and tap into different powers. Your race is also your class, you have a combination of powers tied to the dragonflights with physical dragon powers though most powers depend on your active color (think stance dancing). SO you could have some powers that are very specific to your active flight while others are always active and some just are modified (so you can only use time abilities when Bronze, wing buffet with every spec, while breath is available to all but has a different damage type and secondary effect).
Multiple specs (could have as many as four tbh to cover all roles).

[Raetary]

Do we have reason to believe that's legitimate?

No, it's just the only latest leak that got any traction.

[Khaza-R]

That seemed to be connected to Exile's Reach, was it not? The speculation being that you would choose your class during gameplay?

I honestly have no clue. But that sounds plausible.

[Slowpoke is a Gamer]

That seemed to be connected to Exile's Reach, was it not? The speculation being that you would choose your class during gameplay?

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That was my impression. Just thought I'd ask since it was presented when someone asked if there was anything new. Thanks!

Well it's new. There's a >0% chance it's real. But yeah nothing is for sure real except for the Dragonflight name thanks to Blizz self-leaking that one.

[Hypester]

Found something cool on twitter. Someone zoomed in on the Brill map on 9.2.5...

t witter.com/keyboardturn/status/1511076990316548102/photo/1

The middle structure is the old inn model, but the right structure seems to have HD textures for the wood paneling and ceiling that's being built.

Revamp for Forsaken stuff incoming?

[Local Ardenweald Faerie]

As long as we get a new class and maybe a new race that is not some dogshit ass cringe garbage furry / scaley shit, we good

Now I desperately hope for playable dragonkin.

Found something cool on twitter. Someone zoomed in on the Brill map on 9.2.5...

t witter.com/keyboardturn/status/1511076990316548102/photo/1

The middle structure is the old inn model, but the right structure seems to have HD textures for the wood paneling and ceiling that's being built.

Revamp for Forsaken stuff incoming?

Very interesting find! If there's indeed a Lordaeron revamp in Dragonflight, that'd reasonably come with HD Forsaken buildings.

[Hyrja]

Lordaeron HD - Alliance Hub
Quel'Thalas HD - Horde Hub

would be cool

[Local Ardenweald Faerie]

Lordaeron HD - Alliance Hub
Quel'Thalas HD - Horde Hub

would be cool

Hoping the rumors of Dalaran returning only to get sacked is true, and Quel'thalas/Lordaeron are our gateways into the Isles with new hub cities.

[Hypester]

Lordaeron HD - Alliance Hub
Quel'Thalas HD - Horde Hub

would be cool

They would have to be neutral, wouldn't they? That would be pretty rough for the Forsaken.

[AOL Instant Messenger]

Btw I got no response to this concept I posted from earlier.
What if we got a class that is also a race? Wrathion helps a batch of Chromatic whelps hatch, a leftover experiment by Nefarian. You can play a whelp, shift between multiple forms (your chosen humanoid form, an HD whelp or small drake form and a hybrid combat form like the one Hearthstone Mercenaries created for Wrathion). You can also tap into your Chromatic heritage to shift between colors and tap into different powers. Your race is also your class, you have a combination of powers tied to the dragonflights with physical dragon powers though most powers depend on your active color (think stance dancing). SO you could have some powers that are very specific to your active flight while others are always active and some just are modified (so you can only use time abilities when Bronze, wing buffet with every spec, while breath is available to all but has a different damage type and secondary effect).
Multiple specs (could have as many as four tbh to cover all roles).

That's how I've always envisioned Dragons being made playable, certainly, though I'd always maintained it would have to just be Black Dragons.

[DiscipleofCazicThule]

It's weird the amount of twisting people are doing with the Dragonflight leak. Like, turning the classes into specs per armor type and whatnot. For me, I'd find it best to temper expectations, or you're going to be massively upset and start roleplaying how Gnolls are the savior of Azeroth or something.

If we're going off the Dragonflight leak, then it could mean two things: 1.) the leak is real and we need to take everything, the skins and one spec classes included, at face value until we are shown something that proves otherwise. or 2.) the leak got lucky with some things but is ultimately fake.

If 2 is the case, then it's great to use as a "wishlist" sort of thing. I'm personally leaning towards 1 at the moment due to the lore pieces lining up with the upcoming patch. That means, I would need to accept that necromancers end up resigned to a skin instead of a class onto itself. Hopefully, the next PTR drop will give us more insight.

[Sondrelk]

Well yeah. It should have been as advertised
This is the biggest issue with WoW. Features should keep being iterated upon until they work. Then they should be kept and maintained. Instead often they are just retired either without ever really making an effort to make them work or even worse, they are actually made functional or even good and then retired anyway.

The problem here is that it's sometimes difficult to figure out when a feature is changed, given a rethink, or mostly removed with only pieces left behind.

Is Torghast a continuation of Islands for instance? It's similarly based around RNG, with mostly randomized enemies and RNG abilities.
Or further still, is the Withered Training scenario something that became warfronts given it's focus on large amounts of minions?

M+ is a continuation of challenge mode dungeons for sure, but the way they function, as well as what rewards they give is very different. Is it then correct to say that Blizzard iterated on challenge mode dungeons until they became "perfect" with M+, or that they took the ideas that worked with challenge mode, ditched the ones that didnt, and then made something else with them?


And of course, sometimes a feature just flat out doesnt work. Azerite being a good example of something that was supposed to be an iteration on Tier sets with fewer downsides, but ended up being a creative dead-end when the systems surrounding it became obnoxious, which meant we eventually ended up back at Tier sets classic in the current patch.


I would say the important thing is that Blizzard doesnt make the same mistake twice. Or if they did that they at least made a valiant effort to solve the problem by going at it from a different angle. Azerite again being a good example. They tried to make it work with Artifacts and it failed. Then they tried again with Azerite and it still failed. So in SL they instead pretty much ditched the idea and instead tried to just make external talent trees work.