Dragonflight Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[Hypester]

Question: is housing a taboo subject since it inevitably transitions into people pulling examples from games that have such a system? I don't think the intent is to get into "my game is better than your game" inanity, but I do admit that I see it happen as some people froth at the mouth when they see certain initials... My greater point being, it can be difficult to speculate about the future of WoW when you want it to expand beyond the current formula if you cannot illustrate your point using examples from games that are doing things differently than WoW, if not altogether different things.

It's not a taboo subject. People just don't like it, but what's funny is that I rarely see any other system suggested besides maybe "Torghast but Azeroth".

And no, "make the story good" is not a system. If people think WoW is boring why don't they suggest things to add to it?

[Zankai27]

You'd get more people back adding fan favorite races or a new class than housing.

While this is absolutely correct, I think player housing would definitely be a strong selling point if it’s implemented properly.

[Hypester]

While this is absolutely correct, I think player housing would definitely be a strong selling point if it’s implemented properly.

You would KEEP more players with housing, while Ogres/Dragonpeople and a new class would bring in more people and not necessarily keeping them.

WoW struggles to keep players in each expansion, not so much bringing them back at launch. There needs to be stuff to do during the downtime of each patch and as Shadowlands launch showed, a slow grind for cosmetics (anima) was too much grind for people.

[Lady Atia]

It's really not that attractive a feature outside of the handful of people on these forums who are absolute obsessed with it.

You'd get more people back adding fan favorite races or a new class than housing.

I never said they shouldn't do one or more new races and classes? They should do all three things (housing, races, classes) to get people back and make 10.0 a banger.

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You would KEEP more players with housing, while Ogres/Dragonpeople and a new class would bring in more people and not necessarily keeping them.

WoW struggles to keep players in each expansion, not so much bringing them back at launch. There needs to be stuff to do during the downtime of each patch.

And also this. Housing would help keeping players similiar to other collections like mounts, pets or transmog.

[ClassicPeon]

I never said they shouldn't do one or more new races and classes? They should do all three things (housing, races, classes) to get people back and make 10.0 a banger.

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And also this. Housing would help keeping players similiar to other collections like mounts, pets or transmog.

Wow is at a point where they do need to deliver on actual content and focus a bit less on their systems.

Even though you could probably call housing a system, i'd agree that both new classes, new things to do in the open world, possible class revamps to make them feel fresh and yes, even though i dont really think its super needed, housing.

All of that is too much if blizzard spends 60% of their developement time on hatching the next covenants. If they have listened to their fans however, i think this should be well within their reach.

[Wangming]

If i said anything remotely along those lines i'd get an instant ban

Some people are in the good graces

And if I told you whose dick I sucked for those good graces I'd get an instant ban

[Iain]

If she was just gonna get reborn, they'd have put her in a new pod already.

Or give the players a group quest where they all have to push her butt through the portal in Oribos.

[Kiria]

You are a perfect example of why extroverts should try getting some alone time. Maybe that will teach them to stop enforcing things they consider "right" onto others.
In the meanwhile, if an introvert wants to spend time in quiet, then power to them.

Now, about Trade Chat in particular, if people really are bothered by it, they can just disable it. You guys are looking for problems where there aren't any. Player Houses could have /2 enabled if it is so important. But it isn't. It isn't enabled in the open world where you are supposed to (if the game was actually designed properly) spend majority of your time. So by design, players are not supposed to be constantly within range of Trade Chat's harassment and advertisments. The sky will not fall. Trade Chat is a trivial matter when discussing Player Housing. If you want Trade Chat, go to your capital city. Those of us who don't care will enjoy Player Housing in peace.

If having their own house will bring more players into the game (and it will), then indirectly that will increase the number of players you encounter in capital cities too, even if they spend majority of their time in solitude at "home".

Introvert here, I try to do as little group content as possible but I do love the story, Music, art and feel of WoW, but I also play FFXIV for story/music alone... I have alot to do in WoW but because groups can be so toxic if you step out of line once by mistake I tend to avoid group content til 1 or 2 expansions down the line.

Also to the person who complained that there should be more group content I may play Solo but your sub is not worth more than mine, infact im more likely to contribute to cash shop items should they take my fancy...

[Khaza-R]

While this is absolutely correct, I think player housing would definitely be a strong selling point if it’s implemented properly.

Which is a lot harder than most people probably realize.

You grind everything for your house and then what? You blankly stare around before logging out after a few minutes.

A feature like that is no different than any other progression system at the end of the day. It needs a constant injection of new things to sustain itself. Otherwise it will just teeter off. And quite honestly that type of commitment I don't think the developers are willing to even entertain. Not when they can barely maintain professions every expansion. In a perfect world it could be a great feature, I just don't see them taking to the risk to do it.

[Wangming]

Wow is at a point where they do need to deliver on actual content and focus a bit less on their systems.

Even though you could probably call housing a system, i'd agree that both new classes, new things to do in the open world, possible class revamps to make them feel fresh and yes, even though i dont really think its super needed, housing.

All of that is too much if blizzard spends 60% of their developement time on hatching the next covenants. If they have listened to their fans however, i think this should be well within their reach.

Housing is a system yes, but one that can be added to. Correction, can and should be added to. Systems that can't get a meaningful upgrade every 4-8 months or so outside of maybe the wait between expansions is a load that is detrimental to the long term health of the game.

[Hypester]

Which is a lot harder than most people probably realize.

You grind everything for your house and then what? You blankly stare around before logging out after a few minutes.

A feature like that is no different than any other progression system at the end of the day. It needs a constant injection of new things to sustain itself. Otherwise it will just teeter off. And quite honestly that type of commitment I don't think the developers are willing to even entertain. Not when they can barely maintain professions every expansion. In a perfect world it could be a great feature, I just don't see them taking to the risk to do it.

This can be applied to literally everything in the entire game. There shouldn't be some kind of progression system for housing and it usually doesn't have some insane crazy aspect to it in other games, I don't understand. This feels more like a personal taste thing.

[pacotaco]

Didn't they retcon that yet? its one of the few dumbs things that should be.

No. And it makes a certain amount of sense: if the Aspects and their dragonflights were like they are because of Titan magic, and they sacrificed it to defeat Deathwing, maybe without that magic they are unable to create new ones.
The only Aspect dragonflight that still seems able to reproduce is the Black, and just through unknown methods (probably Old God magic, but it could be something else).

[Hypester]

Also, while I think a dragon class and/or race is likely, I hope people remember how disconnected Worgen and Goblins were from the overall aesthetic and theming of Cataclysm.

If anything this sets precedent that Cataclysm style expansions can introduce "theme-detached" races and possible classes, as they usually encompass the entire world despite the new areas being themed around what's on the box.

[Wangming]

Also, while I think a dragon class and/or race is likely, I hope people remember how disconnected Worgen and Goblins were from the overall aesthetic and theming of Cataclysm.

If anything this sets precedent that Cataclysm style expansions can introduce "theme-detached" races and possible classes, as they usually encompass the entire world despite the new areas being themed around what's on the box.

I don't think the flaws of Catacylsm should necessarily be replicated.

[Syegfryed]

No. And it makes a certain amount of sense: if the Aspects and their dragonflights were like they are because of Titan magic, and they sacrificed it to defeat Deathwing, maybe without that magic they are unable to create new ones.
The only Aspect dragonflight that still seems able to reproduce is the Black, and just through unknown methods (probably Old God magic, but it could be something else).

But there is nothing related to they being able to reproduce with titan magic though, it never made any sense they becoming sterile

Maybe you could argue that the 4 aspects themselves, became sterile, because they put their magic in the dragon soul, but all other dragons simple losing it?, total bs

[Hypester]

I don't think the flaws of Catacylsm should necessarily be replicated.

Aren't Worgen and Goblins as well as their zones like... the ONLY thing people like today about Cata?

[Nymrohd]

Also, while I think a dragon class and/or race is likely, I hope people remember how disconnected Worgen and Goblins were from the overall aesthetic and theming of Cataclysm.

If anything this sets precedent that Cataclysm style expansions can introduce "theme-detached" races and possible classes, as they usually encompass the entire world despite the new areas being themed around what's on the box.

I'd really love dragons as a race that is also a class tbh. Could be so interesting.

[Zankai27]

Aren't Worgen and Goblins as well as their zones like... the ONLY thing people like today about Cata?

I think people are reasonably happy with the race/class combos they added, but aside from those two things? Yeah kinda (although I personally love the world revamp)

[Vakir]

Aren't Worgen and Goblins as well as their zones like... the ONLY thing people like today about Cata?

Nah, it was the revamp people generally remember fondly, though obviously with a game that's probably been played by well over 20+ million people total you're going to get different answers.

Worgen and Goblins weren't implemented all that great, in my opinion. They're kinda swiftly dropped and don't gel in the context of the overarching narrative the way the draenei, blood elves, Pandaren, and even KT/Zandalari are. The worgen are just kind of shit into Darkshore and the resolution of threads started in Gilneas are resolved in a zone for the completely different faction. The goblins get Azshara but it's mostly irrelevant zaniness and putting Gallywix in charge remains a baffling decision in-universe even if he's highly entertaining out of universe.

They're good races but they've felt so under baked and irrelevant since right after they enter. Even Greymane largely exists to play grumpy foil and Gallywix is a background meme.

[Hypester]

Nah, it was the revamp people generally remember fondly, though obviously with a game that's probably been played by well over 20+ million people total you're going to get different answers.

Worgen and Goblins weren't implemented all that great, in my opinion. They're kinda swiftly dropped and don't gel in the context of the overarching narrative the way the draenei, blood elves, Pandaren, and even KT/Zandalari are. The worgen are just kind of shit into Darkshore and the resolution of threads started in Gilneas are resolved in a zone for the completely different faction. The goblins get Azshara but it's mostly irrelevant zaniness and putting Gallywix in charge remains a baffling decision in-universe even if he's highly entertaining out of universe.

I don't think the revamp aged well. It's very short sighted and ruins a lot of themes of the zones to make them incredibly specific as opposed to evergreen or just "the old zone but things kept moving" (see Desolace and WPL, two actually good revamps IMO). And the pop culture...

One reason I am hoping for a second revamp is to get rid of the pop culture stuff from Cata and return zones like Redridge and Hillsbrad back to the way they were in some regards.

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Nah, it was the revamp people generally remember fondly, though obviously with a game that's probably been played by well over 20+ million people total you're going to get different answers.

Worgen and Goblins weren't implemented all that great, in my opinion. They're kinda swiftly dropped and don't gel in the context of the overarching narrative the way the draenei, blood elves, Pandaren, and even KT/Zandalari are. The worgen are just kind of shit into Darkshore and the resolution of threads started in Gilneas are resolved in a zone for the completely different faction. The goblins get Azshara but it's mostly irrelevant zaniness and putting Gallywix in charge remains a baffling decision in-universe even if he's highly entertaining out of universe.

They're good races but they've felt so under baked and irrelevant since right after they enter. Even Greymane largely exists to play grumpy foil and Gallywix is a background meme.

The Worgen vs Forsaken thing was cool even if Forsaken were handled pretty horribly after Wrath IMO. The problem is that it's dropped incredibly fast because they didn't feel like continuing any racial stories from Mists-Legion for whatever reason.