Dragonflight Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[Revamp Man]

They can't breed.
The whole point of the questline is to showcase that they are the remaining blues of that particular brood.

Runas gave me ptsd so i dont remember that area very well my b

[Alanar]

I will say this, it will mostly cost time up front to design the UI.
Blizzard absolutely clutters the game with doodads. Really their decorative approach is completely maximalist with not a corner left without a lamp, pillow, plushie or whatever. And they keep adding more of those in every single patch with every new architectural style. ALL of these would end up as furnishings. They make them already. The moment they can treat them as collectibles they might make a few more (or more likely just keep reskinning those they'd already be making anyway).
I will agree though that I don't trust them to not limit how we decorate so far that we stop having options (after the garrison I could totally see them just having specific spots where you can place things and that's it). Also they have always been extremely conservative with their building design. Most WoW buildings provide little verisimilititude; they just do not look like anyone could possibly live in their single room houses that usually have a bed, table and a fireplace in barely enough space for three people to stand around, let alone move. ESO for instance has very spacious houses in the overworld; even peasant houses usually have an attic, are large enough to feature dividers, have a kitchen and a pantry. If housing is that tiny, yeah we are better off not getting any. And if housing is proper it immediately makes the rest of the world feel out of scale.

Sure if you think about how many freaking doodads, props they make and put everything in some slider ui it could be expanded. I just dont see that happen in a way it will be satisfying.

Blizz way is, here is a circel you can put it here.. cant turn it, or put it directly under the table, stuff like that is typical blizz and on that I pass. I feel like this is a repeatable thing last few years. Options are always sparse for some reason..

[pacotaco]

are those the outland dragons?

Yeah, Tyrigosa was looking to help them. Also, the Twilight cult was using them to transform people into drakonids and to accelerate the growth of twilight dragons (thats why Ultraxion was so big so fast).

[Syegfryed]

Indeed, all of the flights spawned by the Aspects are infertile now. Only the "natural" dragons can reproduce..

Didn't they retcon that yet? its one of the few dumbs things that should be.

[Shakzor]

It's really not that attractive a feature outside of the handful of people on these forums who are absolute obsessed with it.

You'd get more people back adding fan favorite races or a new class than housing.

You could literally say that with ANY feature. Be it class a, race b or zone c. There is always people saying "this will save WoW" while others will say "it's only for a minority of people". So are pet battles, mythic raids, achievement hunting and so on.

[draugril]

You could literally say that with ANY feature. Be it class a, race b or zone c. There is always people saying "this will save WoW" while others will say "it's only for a minority of people". So are pet battles, mythic raids, achievement hunting and so on.

Moreover, I think Ion tipped his hand with the "It'll cost a raid tier" comment. It reveals his belief that all players value raid content above all else - at least, the "legitimate" players. I could name a dozen things I'd gladly pay a raid tier for, personally.

[Aucald]

Let's drop the "Game vs. Game" derailing arguments and focus instead on the subject of the thread, WoW 9.x patches and 10.0 speculation.

[draugril]

Let's drop the "Game vs. Game" derailing arguments and focus instead on the subject of the thread, WoW 9.x patches and 10.0 speculation.

Question: is housing a taboo subject since it inevitably transitions into people pulling examples from games that have such a system? I don't think the intent is to get into "my game is better than your game" inanity, but I do admit that I see it happen as some people froth at the mouth when they see certain initials... My greater point being, it can be difficult to speculate about the future of WoW when you want it to expand beyond the current formula if you cannot illustrate your point using examples from games that are doing things differently than WoW, if not altogether different things.

[ClassicPeon]

Let's drop the "Game vs. Game" derailing arguments and focus instead on the subject of the thread, WoW 9.x patches and 10.0 speculation.

Wouldnt it be easier just to make a rule against comparing FF and WoW? Its never lead to anything remotely good. Its really hard not to get baited into that discussion when its not a forbidden topic(even though its often offtopic)

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I honestly hope you are just LARP-ing and not really this dense. .

If i said anything remotely along those lines i'd get an instant ban

Some people are in the good graces

[draugril]

Wouldnt it be easier just to make a rule against comparing FF and WoW? Its never lead to anything remotely good. Its really hard not to get baited into that discussion when its not a forbidden topic(even though its often offtopic)

I've been a part of a few civil discussions on the topic. The problem is there are certain people on both sides that... reduce the level of civility when they see the initials "WoW" and "FFXIV" next to each other.

But like I said before, it can be difficult to talk about housing in WoW if you can't compare it to FFXIV, ESO, or even SW:TOR. I honestly think that SW:TOR's implementation would fit WoW's model the best. But if I bring that up, it just derails into "lol swtor" pettiness.

[Hypester]

Question: is housing a taboo subject since it inevitably transitions into people pulling examples from games that have such a system? I don't think the intent is to get into "my game is better than your game" inanity, but I do admit that I see it happen as some people froth at the mouth when they see certain initials... My greater point being, it can be difficult to speculate about the future of WoW when you want it to expand beyond the current formula if you cannot illustrate your point using examples from games that are doing things differently than WoW, if not altogether different things.

It's not a taboo subject. People just don't like it, but what's funny is that I rarely see any other system suggested besides maybe "Torghast but Azeroth".

And no, "make the story good" is not a system. If people think WoW is boring why don't they suggest things to add to it?

[Zankai27]

You'd get more people back adding fan favorite races or a new class than housing.

While this is absolutely correct, I think player housing would definitely be a strong selling point if it’s implemented properly.

[Hypester]

While this is absolutely correct, I think player housing would definitely be a strong selling point if it’s implemented properly.

You would KEEP more players with housing, while Ogres/Dragonpeople and a new class would bring in more people and not necessarily keeping them.

WoW struggles to keep players in each expansion, not so much bringing them back at launch. There needs to be stuff to do during the downtime of each patch and as Shadowlands launch showed, a slow grind for cosmetics (anima) was too much grind for people.

[Lady Atia]

It's really not that attractive a feature outside of the handful of people on these forums who are absolute obsessed with it.

You'd get more people back adding fan favorite races or a new class than housing.

I never said they shouldn't do one or more new races and classes? They should do all three things (housing, races, classes) to get people back and make 10.0 a banger.

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You would KEEP more players with housing, while Ogres/Dragonpeople and a new class would bring in more people and not necessarily keeping them.

WoW struggles to keep players in each expansion, not so much bringing them back at launch. There needs to be stuff to do during the downtime of each patch.

And also this. Housing would help keeping players similiar to other collections like mounts, pets or transmog.

[ClassicPeon]

I never said they shouldn't do one or more new races and classes? They should do all three things (housing, races, classes) to get people back and make 10.0 a banger.

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And also this. Housing would help keeping players similiar to other collections like mounts, pets or transmog.

Wow is at a point where they do need to deliver on actual content and focus a bit less on their systems.

Even though you could probably call housing a system, i'd agree that both new classes, new things to do in the open world, possible class revamps to make them feel fresh and yes, even though i dont really think its super needed, housing.

All of that is too much if blizzard spends 60% of their developement time on hatching the next covenants. If they have listened to their fans however, i think this should be well within their reach.

[Wangming]

If i said anything remotely along those lines i'd get an instant ban

Some people are in the good graces

And if I told you whose dick I sucked for those good graces I'd get an instant ban

[Iain]

If she was just gonna get reborn, they'd have put her in a new pod already.

Or give the players a group quest where they all have to push her butt through the portal in Oribos.

[Kiria]

You are a perfect example of why extroverts should try getting some alone time. Maybe that will teach them to stop enforcing things they consider "right" onto others.
In the meanwhile, if an introvert wants to spend time in quiet, then power to them.

Now, about Trade Chat in particular, if people really are bothered by it, they can just disable it. You guys are looking for problems where there aren't any. Player Houses could have /2 enabled if it is so important. But it isn't. It isn't enabled in the open world where you are supposed to (if the game was actually designed properly) spend majority of your time. So by design, players are not supposed to be constantly within range of Trade Chat's harassment and advertisments. The sky will not fall. Trade Chat is a trivial matter when discussing Player Housing. If you want Trade Chat, go to your capital city. Those of us who don't care will enjoy Player Housing in peace.

If having their own house will bring more players into the game (and it will), then indirectly that will increase the number of players you encounter in capital cities too, even if they spend majority of their time in solitude at "home".

Introvert here, I try to do as little group content as possible but I do love the story, Music, art and feel of WoW, but I also play FFXIV for story/music alone... I have alot to do in WoW but because groups can be so toxic if you step out of line once by mistake I tend to avoid group content til 1 or 2 expansions down the line.

Also to the person who complained that there should be more group content I may play Solo but your sub is not worth more than mine, infact im more likely to contribute to cash shop items should they take my fancy...

[Khaza-R]

While this is absolutely correct, I think player housing would definitely be a strong selling point if it’s implemented properly.

Which is a lot harder than most people probably realize.

You grind everything for your house and then what? You blankly stare around before logging out after a few minutes.

A feature like that is no different than any other progression system at the end of the day. It needs a constant injection of new things to sustain itself. Otherwise it will just teeter off. And quite honestly that type of commitment I don't think the developers are willing to even entertain. Not when they can barely maintain professions every expansion. In a perfect world it could be a great feature, I just don't see them taking to the risk to do it.

[Wangming]

Wow is at a point where they do need to deliver on actual content and focus a bit less on their systems.

Even though you could probably call housing a system, i'd agree that both new classes, new things to do in the open world, possible class revamps to make them feel fresh and yes, even though i dont really think its super needed, housing.

All of that is too much if blizzard spends 60% of their developement time on hatching the next covenants. If they have listened to their fans however, i think this should be well within their reach.

Housing is a system yes, but one that can be added to. Correction, can and should be added to. Systems that can't get a meaningful upgrade every 4-8 months or so outside of maybe the wait between expansions is a load that is detrimental to the long term health of the game.