Dragonflight Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[Lady Atia]

Well you can eat both so I don't see what the problem is. Also Animal Crossing is nowhere near Wow in terms of gameplay so why is your idea amazing and mine so bad?

Both are a roleplay adventure game at it's heart? And pokemon didn't had any gameplay crossover with wow either yet they added it with pet battles. Besides that, literally all other big MMO's have housing, it's damn time we get it too, and no, Garrisons don't count.

[MyWholeLifeIsThunder]

The 246 weapons from the Dune Dominance rares are pretty decent for a casual player tbh. You can also get a decent 246 trinket from the Dormant locus (and the trinkets from treasures/quests often drop at 242). And that's not counting the PvP trinkets for people who play with War Mode.

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Blizzard would get tons of cash through token sales if we got housing. Housing is a feature to milk whales for all their worth.

Seriously. The market might be niche, but boy they are big spenders. And if you tie professions to it, you might end up changing up the whole economy.

Not that it would be an ethical thing, but Blizzard could milk the RP community dry.

[pacotaco]

I actually refunded my WoD prepurchase when they backtracked on Karabor. Only bought the game well some months after launch (and quit again after 2-3 months when I had all the achievements I wanted).

I know we are all expecting Lordaeron but honestly I think a revamped Azuremyst has every chance of being the best looking place in WoW.

Yeah, since they burned the tree and plagued the sewers, I am saying: it's the perfect setting to reinvigorate the Blood Elf and Draenei zones by updating them
- Make Silvermyst Isle the new Night Elf capital. It's already a nelf village destroyed by the crash of the Exodar. Make that they already cleared those isles and just Bloodmyst has a bit of corruption due to Horde interference.
- Remake Silvermoon, so the destroyed part is reconstructed and the Forsaken relocated there, serving as a containment force vs the Dead Scar.

[Zulggun]

I think this time Dalaran would be replaced back to Tirisfal Glade and would not float anymore.

That would be really nice actually, though I quietly wish that if they do that then they would expand the city, make it bigger.

Also, that would be the third Dalaran we have in game, quite funny.

[Nymrohd]

Seriously. The market might be niche, but boy they are big spenders. And if you tie professions to it, you might end up changing up the whole economy.

Not that it would be an ethical thing, but Blizzard could milk the RP community dry.

I mean if they are offering them a much better product than they have been offering so far, why is it unethical?

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Yeah, since they burned the tree and plagued the sewers, I am saying: it's the perfect setting to reinvigorate the Blood Elf and Draenei zones by updating them
- Make Silvermyst Isle the new Night Elf capital. It's already a nelf village destroyed by the crash of the Exodar. Make that they already cleared those isles and just Bloodmyst has a bit of corruption due to Horde interference.
- Remake Silvermoon, so the destroyed part is reconstructed and the Forsaken relocated there, serving as a containment force vs the Dead Scar.

That would be an interesting approach. Both cases though involve people with widely varied aesthetic styles. Placing Forsaken buildings next in a Blood Elf city would just be jarring. Night elves and Draenei could maybe work though.

[pacotaco]

Where is this "Blue Dragons on the Broken Isles can still breed" thing coming from? The whole part of the quest chain is that they are the last brood available and the Nightborne are killing their whelps.

Indeed, all of the flights spawned by the Aspects are infertile now. Only the "natural" dragons can reproduce.

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I mean if they are offering them a much better product than they have been offering so far, why is it unethical?

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That would be an interesting approach. Both cases though involve people with widely varied aesthetic styles. Placing Forsaken buildings next in a Blood Elf city would just be jarring. Night elves and Draenei could maybe work though.

I think it would work great:
- Nelf - Draenei: contrast nature/tech, night/light. But also common things: both they had great loses vs the Legion, they are reconstructing their civilization.
- Belf - Forsake: contrast death/life, dark/light.Both they had great loses vs Arthas.

It provides a good setting for new, interesting narratives.

[Revamp Man]

You forget the Nether Flight, that would certainly join Wrathion and his bunch of uncorrupted Twilight dragons.

are those the outland dragons?

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Where is this "Blue Dragons on the Broken Isles can still breed" thing coming from? The whole part of the quest chain is that they are the last brood available and the Nightborne are killing their whelps.

thats my bad
literally all i remember about that is hatching eggs and a dying old man living in the equivalent of a lazarus pit

[Raetary]

and includes dragons able to breed

They can't breed.
The whole point of the questline is to showcase that they are the remaining blues of that particular brood.

[Revamp Man]

They can't breed.
The whole point of the questline is to showcase that they are the remaining blues of that particular brood.

Runas gave me ptsd so i dont remember that area very well my b

[Alanar]

I will say this, it will mostly cost time up front to design the UI.
Blizzard absolutely clutters the game with doodads. Really their decorative approach is completely maximalist with not a corner left without a lamp, pillow, plushie or whatever. And they keep adding more of those in every single patch with every new architectural style. ALL of these would end up as furnishings. They make them already. The moment they can treat them as collectibles they might make a few more (or more likely just keep reskinning those they'd already be making anyway).
I will agree though that I don't trust them to not limit how we decorate so far that we stop having options (after the garrison I could totally see them just having specific spots where you can place things and that's it). Also they have always been extremely conservative with their building design. Most WoW buildings provide little verisimilititude; they just do not look like anyone could possibly live in their single room houses that usually have a bed, table and a fireplace in barely enough space for three people to stand around, let alone move. ESO for instance has very spacious houses in the overworld; even peasant houses usually have an attic, are large enough to feature dividers, have a kitchen and a pantry. If housing is that tiny, yeah we are better off not getting any. And if housing is proper it immediately makes the rest of the world feel out of scale.

Sure if you think about how many freaking doodads, props they make and put everything in some slider ui it could be expanded. I just dont see that happen in a way it will be satisfying.

Blizz way is, here is a circel you can put it here.. cant turn it, or put it directly under the table, stuff like that is typical blizz and on that I pass. I feel like this is a repeatable thing last few years. Options are always sparse for some reason..

[pacotaco]

are those the outland dragons?

Yeah, Tyrigosa was looking to help them. Also, the Twilight cult was using them to transform people into drakonids and to accelerate the growth of twilight dragons (thats why Ultraxion was so big so fast).

[Syegfryed]

Indeed, all of the flights spawned by the Aspects are infertile now. Only the "natural" dragons can reproduce..

Didn't they retcon that yet? its one of the few dumbs things that should be.

[Shakzor]

It's really not that attractive a feature outside of the handful of people on these forums who are absolute obsessed with it.

You'd get more people back adding fan favorite races or a new class than housing.

You could literally say that with ANY feature. Be it class a, race b or zone c. There is always people saying "this will save WoW" while others will say "it's only for a minority of people". So are pet battles, mythic raids, achievement hunting and so on.

[draugril]

You could literally say that with ANY feature. Be it class a, race b or zone c. There is always people saying "this will save WoW" while others will say "it's only for a minority of people". So are pet battles, mythic raids, achievement hunting and so on.

Moreover, I think Ion tipped his hand with the "It'll cost a raid tier" comment. It reveals his belief that all players value raid content above all else - at least, the "legitimate" players. I could name a dozen things I'd gladly pay a raid tier for, personally.

[Aucald]

Let's drop the "Game vs. Game" derailing arguments and focus instead on the subject of the thread, WoW 9.x patches and 10.0 speculation.

[draugril]

Let's drop the "Game vs. Game" derailing arguments and focus instead on the subject of the thread, WoW 9.x patches and 10.0 speculation.

Question: is housing a taboo subject since it inevitably transitions into people pulling examples from games that have such a system? I don't think the intent is to get into "my game is better than your game" inanity, but I do admit that I see it happen as some people froth at the mouth when they see certain initials... My greater point being, it can be difficult to speculate about the future of WoW when you want it to expand beyond the current formula if you cannot illustrate your point using examples from games that are doing things differently than WoW, if not altogether different things.

[ClassicPeon]

Let's drop the "Game vs. Game" derailing arguments and focus instead on the subject of the thread, WoW 9.x patches and 10.0 speculation.

Wouldnt it be easier just to make a rule against comparing FF and WoW? Its never lead to anything remotely good. Its really hard not to get baited into that discussion when its not a forbidden topic(even though its often offtopic)

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I honestly hope you are just LARP-ing and not really this dense. .

If i said anything remotely along those lines i'd get an instant ban

Some people are in the good graces

[draugril]

Wouldnt it be easier just to make a rule against comparing FF and WoW? Its never lead to anything remotely good. Its really hard not to get baited into that discussion when its not a forbidden topic(even though its often offtopic)

I've been a part of a few civil discussions on the topic. The problem is there are certain people on both sides that... reduce the level of civility when they see the initials "WoW" and "FFXIV" next to each other.

But like I said before, it can be difficult to talk about housing in WoW if you can't compare it to FFXIV, ESO, or even SW:TOR. I honestly think that SW:TOR's implementation would fit WoW's model the best. But if I bring that up, it just derails into "lol swtor" pettiness.

[Hypester]

Question: is housing a taboo subject since it inevitably transitions into people pulling examples from games that have such a system? I don't think the intent is to get into "my game is better than your game" inanity, but I do admit that I see it happen as some people froth at the mouth when they see certain initials... My greater point being, it can be difficult to speculate about the future of WoW when you want it to expand beyond the current formula if you cannot illustrate your point using examples from games that are doing things differently than WoW, if not altogether different things.

It's not a taboo subject. People just don't like it, but what's funny is that I rarely see any other system suggested besides maybe "Torghast but Azeroth".

And no, "make the story good" is not a system. If people think WoW is boring why don't they suggest things to add to it?

[Zankai27]

You'd get more people back adding fan favorite races or a new class than housing.

While this is absolutely correct, I think player housing would definitely be a strong selling point if it’s implemented properly.