Dragonflight Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[huth]

I don't think we need realistic scale. I'd say Boralus is perfect. It's large enough to have multiple areas that are meaningful and distinct with buildings where people could actually live, if somewhat crowded. I mean if you do scale it up at some point it will be too large to play in effectively.

Could be interesting to have a zone that is really just one big city, though. Like if Suramar really was the entire zone.

You could probably make an entire expansion continent, even. Different zones being different districts, including park and maybe farm districts.

[Wangming]

What is the opposite of Final Fantasy?

First Reality

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Could be interesting to have a zone that is really just one big city, though. Like if Suramar really was the entire zone.

You could probably make an entire expansion continent, even. Different zones being different districts, including park and maybe farm districts.

Oh absolutely. I love those kinds of settings. Like how the Witcher was in one well developed city from start to end. How Dragon Age II fleshed out Kirkwaal for the entire game. Act III of Diablo II was one overgrown city and not all but most of the Act V of Diablo III was in Westmarch. If there is a revolt or an invasion in a city, you can have some friendly and some completely hostile districts. More and less afluent residential areas can provide a change in scenery. A huge park, a harbor, a cemetery....these can all be new zones. I always hoped for one like that for FFXIV, but could also work in WoW. Or anywhere for that matter.

[micwini]

There is no indication that any cosmic force created multiple timelines. And they were pretty ordered and isolated until Chaos messed them up

Hence why it is the seventh!!

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Order is not the creator though. The Titans did not create worlds, they ordered them. The Force of Order did not create reality, it imposes order on it. If multiple timelines exist, it makes sure they are tidy but it doesn't create them. Creation itself is the realm of the First Ones.

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The Bronze flight could find other timelines, it's how Kairoz found the WoD one. I think it works like the Wheel of Time (no idea if the series touched it); there are multiple timelines running parallel to each other but there is a Prime timeline and every other one is somewhat less real.

Yes exactly! The titans ordered time. Which means it existed before them, meaning it is a seperate force.

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Furthermore the First Ones crafted forces in natural opposition. They created both Order and Disorder. So the intent of the design naturally is that Order always has something to shape and Disorder always has something to deform.

Time only goes in one direction, which is why it doesnt have an opposite. This is why the new theory from 6 forces is that there are 7, instead of 8.

[huth]

Time only goes in one direction, which is why it doesnt have an opposite. This is why the new theory from 6 forces is that there are 7, instead of 8.

No, it's not. The theory is seven forces because we've been outright told there is at least one more and we have 6 that are already known.

For that matter, whether time only has one direction or is even a force at all is questionable.

[Alanar]

See you soon!

Concept from 2016, i guess we are heading there

I hate what they did to the map anyway. Maelstrom was moved cus of broken isles lol. Nazjatar wasnt even on the map. The world map is just shit..

[Wangming]

Time only goes in one direction, which is why it doesnt have an opposite. This is why the new theory from 6 forces is that there are 7, instead of 8.

You could argue that stasis is the opposite of time. Wether you look at time as progress or entropy is up to you. But an opposite can be created. Dark Illuminated the light, order made sense of the chaos, and time ended stagnation.If the opposites were created this way, an interesting conclusion presents itself. Death is a solution to life. Overpopulation, maybe? Something that was never alive can't be considered dead. Ergo death could not have existed first.

[uikolertekopoku]

No, it's not. The theory is seven forces because we've been outright told there is at least one more and we have 6 that are already known.

For that matter, whether time only has one direction or is even a force at all is questionable.

And if the six (or seven, or... excuse my imprecision) each vie with one another to claim it, could they be driven by the unconscious knowledge that there exists some other force outside our understanding that seeks it as well?

- Expedition Report A37J - Part 4, page 5

When you read the Report with understanding, they are setting up a 7th Force, wich is part of our Cosmos, thats why this additional Force is counted as 7.

But when you read that there can exists some other Force outside our understanding,

You have than theoretical „8“ Forces.

So we are allready going the Way that there is a Force outside the box.

Setting up even more dangerous „Threats“ meet them in 6-10 years.

[Wangming]

And if the six (or seven, or... excuse my imprecision) each vie with one another to claim it, could they be driven by the unconscious knowledge that there exists some other force outside our understanding that seeks it as well?

- Expedition Report A37J - Part 4, page 5

When you read the Report with understanding, they are setting up a 7th Force, wich is part of our Cosmos, thats why this additional Force is counted as 7.

But when you read that there can exists some other Force outside our understanding,

You have than theoretical „8“ Forces.

So we are allready going the Way that there is a Force outside the box.

Setting up even more dangerous „Threats“ meet them in 6-10 years.

Well whatever Zovaal wanted to prepair the cosmos for, it is implied to be external to it, so an 8th force is as good as confirmed. Wether time is one of these cannot be determined at the present.

[huth]

When you read the Report with understanding, they are setting up a 7th Force, wich is part of our Cosmos, thats why this additional Force is counted as 7.

Sounds to me more like Firim is simply uncertain of how many there are, which is in keeping with his character. He knows he doesn't know everything.

The one outside is definite, though unclear in its nature.

[Skildar]

I would find it to be quite a funny twist if Azeroth reveals herself as a being of this outside force

[Sondrelk]

I would find it to be quite a funny twist if Azeroth reveals herself as a being of this outside force

I mean, that is the obvious outcome given the way Firim talks about the seventh force.

Something both of, and apart from the cosmic 6. Something containing all others, but which also opposes them.
Both a seventh force, and one to which all the six others are opposite, like a coin with six forces one one side and the seventh on the other.

And of course the name.

[Blayze]

I mean, that is the obvious outcome given the way Firim talks about the seventh force.

Something both of, and apart from the cosmic 6. Something containing all others, but which also opposes them.
Both a seventh force, and one to which all the six others are opposite, like a coin with six forces one one side and the seventh on the other.

And of course the name.

At this rate, it'll turn out to be mortality or something.

[uikolertekopoku]

Sounds to me more like Firim is simply uncertain of how many there are, which is in keeping with his character. He knows he doesn't know everything.

The one outside is definite, though unclear in its nature.

Firim is just a tool for Blizz, adding and expanding possible new Players.

I made the following picture what shows how things are in place when Blizz is following the Report.

[Skildar]

I mean, that is the obvious outcome given the way Firim talks about the seventh force.

Something both of, and apart from the cosmic 6. Something containing all others, but which also opposes them.
Both a seventh force, and one to which all the six others are opposite, like a coin with six forces one one side and the seventh on the other.

And of course the name.

what about the name? oO'

[Fahrad Wagner]

Any chance for a build today?

[Kiivar86]

The seventh force won't be Azeroth, the way its spoken of points to it being malevolent.

Remember the little statuette from Korthia, talking about how the seventh desires for what the six hold onto. The Jailer's whole "cosmos divided cannot withstand what is to come" points to it too. Plus I mean he was drawing from Azeroth at the time. He knows, seemingly, what is coming. If Azeroth was this seventh force, he would've just pointed at it/her instead.

[draugril]

Man, I'm jonesing for another leak. Such a big serving a few days ago really whet my appetite...

[Sondrelk]

what about the name? oO'

Azeroth, which sounds similar to Zereth.
It's not in-game, but there was the Shadowlands lore book that was released a good while back that pontificated on whether Zereth meant cornerstone or keystone. As in, where the zereths created first or last, and if Azeroth was similarly a Zereth like Zereth Mortis and the others.
Or indeed if the six cosmic ones were created first as cornerstones (since Zereth Mortis is the foundation of the Shadowlands) and Azeroth was created last as the keystone.

[Raetary]

Any chance for a build today?

Didn't we get one yesterday?

[Khaza-R]

I really hope they don't do something as stupid as Azeroth = A zereth