Dragonflight Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[Blayze]

I mean, that is the obvious outcome given the way Firim talks about the seventh force.

Something both of, and apart from the cosmic 6. Something containing all others, but which also opposes them.
Both a seventh force, and one to which all the six others are opposite, like a coin with six forces one one side and the seventh on the other.

And of course the name.

At this rate, it'll turn out to be mortality or something.

[uikolertekopoku]

Sounds to me more like Firim is simply uncertain of how many there are, which is in keeping with his character. He knows he doesn't know everything.

The one outside is definite, though unclear in its nature.

Firim is just a tool for Blizz, adding and expanding possible new Players.

I made the following picture what shows how things are in place when Blizz is following the Report.

[Skildar]

I mean, that is the obvious outcome given the way Firim talks about the seventh force.

Something both of, and apart from the cosmic 6. Something containing all others, but which also opposes them.
Both a seventh force, and one to which all the six others are opposite, like a coin with six forces one one side and the seventh on the other.

And of course the name.

what about the name? oO'

[Fahrad Wagner]

Any chance for a build today?

[Kiivar86]

The seventh force won't be Azeroth, the way its spoken of points to it being malevolent.

Remember the little statuette from Korthia, talking about how the seventh desires for what the six hold onto. The Jailer's whole "cosmos divided cannot withstand what is to come" points to it too. Plus I mean he was drawing from Azeroth at the time. He knows, seemingly, what is coming. If Azeroth was this seventh force, he would've just pointed at it/her instead.

[draugril]

Man, I'm jonesing for another leak. Such a big serving a few days ago really whet my appetite...

[Sondrelk]

what about the name? oO'

Azeroth, which sounds similar to Zereth.
It's not in-game, but there was the Shadowlands lore book that was released a good while back that pontificated on whether Zereth meant cornerstone or keystone. As in, where the zereths created first or last, and if Azeroth was similarly a Zereth like Zereth Mortis and the others.
Or indeed if the six cosmic ones were created first as cornerstones (since Zereth Mortis is the foundation of the Shadowlands) and Azeroth was created last as the keystone.

[Raetary]

Any chance for a build today?

Didn't we get one yesterday?

[Khaza-R]

I really hope they don't do something as stupid as Azeroth = A zereth

[Sondrelk]

The seventh force won't be Azeroth, the way its spoken of points to it being malevolent.

Remember the little statuette from Korthia, talking about how the seventh desires for what the six hold onto. The Jailer's whole "cosmos divided cannot withstand what is to come" points to it too. Plus I mean he was drawing from Azeroth at the time. He knows, seemingly, what is coming. If Azeroth was this seventh force, he would've just pointed at it/her instead.

Azerite is just one part of "reality", which is the big theme with Firims journal.
He spends ages researching the Shadowlands and constantly seems confused by reality since it just seems like a meaningless bit of busywork between life and death, or light and void and similar.
At the end he has this grand revelation that seems to imply he realized that reality isn't a curious byproduct of the six cosmic forces, but rather might have been the intended result. A conflux of many different forces coming together to form one whole.

There was this whole book that I mentioned where a big deal was made of Azeroth and it's link to the Zereths. Which is what confused Firim since he assumed reality to be insignificant.

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Didn't we get one yesterday?

We did, the tiniest and most insignificant of builds. Think it only added some mechanics associated with Season 4 raids.

I don't think it's unthinkable that Blizzard is holding back on the PTR revelations until the 10.0 announcement. Especially since this will likely also have more info on 9.2.5.

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I really hope they don't do something as stupid as Azeroth = A zereth

They have already all but stated it in the Shadowlands lore book, so might be too late for that.

[Ersula]

I seriously doubt about revamp now. Imo it would be only landmass of expac and I can't imagine Dragonflight without Dragon Isles as full continent.

Unless whole revamp will be just changing textures and models without touching quests. In that case sure why not.

Revamping assets & quests but not the geography would already mean a revamp that takes way less time than Cataclysm: Also they already have multiple versions of entire zones in the game, so unlike Cata, a new old world revamp wouldn't get rid of the cataclsym era versions of zones. It would be more like phasing.

It would be more impactful if they didn't create new leveling zones, instead you come back from Shadowlands to see how the world has changed: Make the new Kalimdor & Eastern Kingdoms the 60-70 content. The game is just begging for the world to actually show the huge changes that happened between Cata & Shadowlands.

[Fahrad Wagner]

Didn't we get one yesterday?

Yeah, the size of my pinky

[Skildar]

Azeroth, which sounds similar to Zereth.
It's not in-game, but there was the Shadowlands lore book that was released a good while back that pontificated on whether Zereth meant cornerstone or keystone. As in, where the zereths created first or last, and if Azeroth was similarly a Zereth like Zereth Mortis and the others.
Or indeed if the six cosmic ones were created first as cornerstones (since Zereth Mortis is the foundation of the Shadowlands) and Azeroth was created last as the keystone.

fun things I've completely missed. I didn't even acknowledged before that Azeroth is closed to zereth, I guess because in french they pronounce it "zeress", just like korthia is pronounced "korsiah" while Azeroth is pronounced Azerote

[Nightshade711]

Azeroth, which sounds similar to Zereth.
It's not in-game, but there was the Shadowlands lore book that was released a good while back that pontificated on whether Zereth meant cornerstone or keystone. As in, where the zereths created first or last, and if Azeroth was similarly a Zereth like Zereth Mortis and the others.
Or indeed if the six cosmic ones were created first as cornerstones (since Zereth Mortis is the foundation of the Shadowlands) and Azeroth was created last as the keystone.

This is a nice throwback to all those theories about Azeroth being an old god or corrupted Titan by the time she wakes up

Because all of the old gods name wise are very close to Lovecraft.
C’thun: Cthulhu
Yogg’Saron: Yog’sathoth
N’zoth: Zoth-ommog (and Nyarlathotep with Nyalotha)

Etc.

But then we have Azeroth
Which sounds a lot like Azathoth

[Kiivar86]

I saw this on reddit the other day, apparently Blizzard has a job posting for a Warcraft Associate Lore Historian. Good sign I suppose?

Azerite is just one part of "reality", which is the big theme with Firims journal.
He spends ages researching the Shadowlands and constantly seems confused by reality since it just seems like a meaningless bit of busywork between life and death, or light and void and similar.
At the end he has this grand revelation that seems to imply he realized that reality isn't a curious byproduct of the six cosmic forces, but rather might have been the intended result. A conflux of many different forces coming together to form one whole.

There was this whole book that I mentioned where a big deal was made of Azeroth and it's link to the Zereths. Which is what confused Firim since he assumed reality to be insignificant.

I still think the seventh force isn't Azeroth. Its something malevolent coming for the other forces, hence why the Jailer did what he did.

But maybe there's an eighth thing out there like some think too.

[Ersula]

Azeroth, which sounds similar to Zereth.
It's not in-game, but there was the Shadowlands lore book that was released a good while back that pontificated on whether Zereth meant cornerstone or keystone. As in, where the zereths created first or last, and if Azeroth was similarly a Zereth like Zereth Mortis and the others.
Or indeed if the six cosmic ones were created first as cornerstones (since Zereth Mortis is the foundation of the Shadowlands) and Azeroth was created last as the keystone.

If you're trying to suggest some sort of connection between Azeroth & the Zareths you'd have to explain why the First Ones & their automa ignored Azeroth for 99% of the cosmic universe's timeline. You'd think they might give a shit that Old Gods ruled it for a million years.

[ro9ue]

Which sounds a lot like Azathoth

The being which all of reality exists in their dream. "Reality's End"... attacks Azeroth. Checks out.

[Marlamin]

I don't think it's unthinkable that Blizzard is holding back on the PTR revelations until the 10.0 announcement.

I'm guessing most of said "revelations" are already in, but encrypted.

[Cosmic Janitor]

At this rate, it'll turn out to be mortality or something.

Given the effects of azerite I would have guessed something more like evolution or igenuity, maybe something like the spark of creativity. Mortality feels a bit trivial given the realms of life and death.

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They have already all but stated it in the Shadowlands lore book, so might be too late for that.

The lorebook ceased to be relevant for the future the moment the artist closed the PDF before sending it to the printer. At best it could be a hint of what is to come, it certainly won't stop blizzard to do something else entirely and disregard whatever is written in there. That everything is now conveyed via an unreliable "narrator" just excasserbates this and makes it rather blatant.

[AOL Instant Messenger]

I saw this on reddit the other day, apparently Blizzard has a job posting for a Warcraft Associate Lore Historian. Good sign I suppose?



I still think the seventh force isn't Azeroth. Its something malevolent coming for the other forces, hence why the Jailer did what he did.

But maybe there's an eighth thing out there like some think too.

That's a shocker. I'm surprised they're bothering to remember old lore again. I suppose one too many retcons and a few too much in the department of forgotten lore has finally warranted a response.