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    Quote Originally Posted by Hitei View Post
    Not sure where people are getting cartel "Ai" from except as a misreading of Cartel AL
    Well that explains that; I was baffled for a moment thinking I’d missed lore about an entire Cartel that vanished.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Le Conceptuel View Post
    I was mainly thinking of trying to make a mockup of what a reboot resetting all lore to WC3 would look like, so I was thinking first to try to make some snapshots of zones that follow the geography of WarCraft 3's maps, as well as screwing around with a few models for shits and giggles (I think texture replacements is within what I could do, for one, but I know generally nothing about the capabilities of private servers so I may be wrong). Aside from that, I've had a few expansion concepts I'd like to map out in-game to see how those ideas would generally look (including possibly my old, pre-reveal Shadowlands expansion concept).
    Yeah, I'm super interested in what you come up with!

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    Good luck, it's pretty much 50/50 if the mods will slap you with an infraction for Forbidden Topics. I tried to show off a proof of concept on a private sandbox, of how they could use the tech introduced in Ashran/Garrisons to use seemless loading screen-less transitions between instances to bring over Ghostlands/Eversong to the main continent without having to completely remake those zones and redo all the questlines, triggers, coordinates for quests and NPC pathing, etc. and got a nice vacation from the site, even though I don't host anything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KayRule View Post
    Brokers were a mistake. They really should have just been Ethereals race wise, with "Broker" being their faction/title.
    Shadowlands was a mistake. It's beating a dead horse, but so much of the lore is just unnecessary and messes with so much of the other lore. The First Ones above all were a mistake. I hate them so much. They should've just been Titans or never mentioned at all.

  5. #37845
    Quote Originally Posted by Slowpoke is a Gamer View Post
    Maybe a bit off topic but I'd love if they re-created that image for Dragonflight. Especially now that we have a proper Demon Hunter.
    That would be cool, this was one of the first pics I saw from Warcraft back in 2005, years before jumped in, and I still think it's one of the best screenshots ever made.

    Btw, the Night Elf guy is clearly a Demon Hunter, that one definitely took a while to arrive.

  6. #37846
    Quote Originally Posted by KayRule View Post
    I would kill for Blizzard to add an expansion without levels. It's been a core issue of their expansion design philosophy since BC and getting rid of it would be monumental to fixing the game.
    ok, so the existence or non-existence of the first 10 hours of a 3 years lifespan xpac is monumental game fixing ? mmmkkk…

    lets say, instead of leveling, they design the xpac like the chromie way, when playing an alt in SL. lets say you start collecting renown, AP or whatever and level your soulbinds or Azerite System or whatever bar you fill, instead of leveling your character and fill his xp bar. and this is better ? this is monumental game fixing ?

    hmm….

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    Quote Originally Posted by Luck4 View Post
    Now that we're near the end of the leak season what do you guys think:

    1. Dragonflight is a mainland expansion with Dragon Isles being the central continent;
    2. Dragonflight is a revamp expansion like Cataclysm, and Dragon Isles is just a zone like Twilight Highlands;
    3. Dragonflight is something new, maybe a mix of the two options above;
    4. Dragonflight is not the next expansion!

    Personally, I'm hoping for option 2... for obvious reasons.

    Number 1. I don't see them doing any significant revamping in 10.0. A revamp expansion will make the most sense after we've killed the Void Lords and closed off the whole Cosmic Saga.

  8. #37848
    Quote Originally Posted by taishar68 View Post
    It might have been mentioned earlier, but given Wrathion's history, I wonder if the singular "Dragonflight" means that he will, whether they like it or not, merge the flights into one flight, as this is how he feels victory can only be achieved. Perhaps Wrathion will orchestrate the release/reincarnation of Chromatus to force the flights to join together, and his desire for power turns him into, well, his dear old dad, and we get Blackwing 2: Draconic Boogaloo.
    I mean, do we really need another Deathwing? I think that Nozdormu going crazy and the Infinite Dragonflight plot is a lot more interesting since we can have many time-travel DG's/Raids portraying good moments from the lore.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ercarp View Post
    Number 1. I don't see them doing any significant revamping in 10.0. A revamp expansion will make the most sense after we've killed the Void Lords and closed off the whole Cosmic Saga.
    I think the Cosmic Saga will take 10+ years, and solely because they seem to be planning a back and forth in that theme, like cosmic-Azeroth-cosmic...

    Tbh, I'm not even sure if they'll be able to finish it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ercarp View Post
    Number 1. I don't see them doing any significant revamping in 10.0. A revamp expansion will make the most sense after we've killed the Void Lords and closed off the whole Cosmic Saga.
    Unless they went all in on Dragonflight, I agree with 1 tbh. I do think Undermine and whatnot is possible also, but overall? Yeah, dunno about a WHOLE ASS WORLD REVAMP? Maybe a Quel'thalas/Northern EK revamp, along with some Kalimdor updates, but that's it. Everything else is a slow process from there lol.

    Also, Void Lords won't close off the Cosmic Saga, and even then, we still got like 3-5 more expansion ideas till then lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vynestra View Post
    The dragons were given their powers by the titans, aka order, to keep...order on azeroth.

    Sorry but that's just false. 10.0, if dragonflight, isn't life.

    Also the emerald dream was created by eonar, who is a titan.

    There is a lot more blending of the cosmic powers than simply each expansion focusing on one cosmic power.

    Shadowlands is essentially the equivalent of an emerald dream expansion (if we had ever been so lucky), it's one fraction of death. We still don't quite know how other cosmic beings deaths work, excluding fel.

    It feels like blizzard kinda screwed with the lore in that sense, it's shown on the chart, as shadowlands being the opposite of the emerald dream, but then made the "pantheon of death" equivalent of the titans, when they have shown really no such power, nor did the jailer.

    The jailer had to get the pantheon out of the way for a reason, the titan++ comments were silly, and nothing the eternal ones did has been particularly noteworthy or significant compared to the titans.

    The titans were shown to order entire beings and races into existence, able to kill an old god by plucking them out of a planet, to destroy worlds easily, and at no cost to them, where as the winter queen had to sacrifice part of her own essence to....save a single soul.
    Here's an idea, how about we don't talk about a Realm of Order/Life till we actually get to it? This expansion is going to lead into either the Plane of Life or the Plane of Order expac. Simple. I think Life is next, THEN Order, but that's just me.

    And you need to stop basing everything on the WoW Cosmos on 1 chart, and on some damn Chronicle book. Grimoire and Chronicle only show small parts of the bigger truth regarding the Cosmos. The Emerald Dream wasn't even made by Eonar, never was, not even in the fucking Chronicle, which the Dream was implied to have been made from something greater REGARDLESS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Niwes View Post
    ok, so the existence or non-existence of the first 10 hours of a 3 years lifespan xpac is monumental game fixing ? mmmkkk…

    lets say, instead of leveling, they design the xpac like the chromie way, when playing an alt in SL. lets say you start collecting renown, AP or whatever and level your soulbinds or Azerite System or whatever bar you fill, instead of leveling your character and fill his xp bar. and this is better ? this is monumental game fixing ?

    hmm….

    ESO has never raised the level cap. But each expansion comes chock full of end game content because advancement is through champion points. For example, I have 2 level 50s. Every time I gain a CP on one of those characters, both get it, AND all my alts below 50 get it. I'm free to spend it on each alt however I wish.

    It's REALLY nice.

    eta: It also, quite honestly, handles level scaling and content scaling way better than WoW does. From level 1-50 every zone scales to you. You can level in any zone, through any expack in any order, just happens naturally.

  11. #37851
    Quote Originally Posted by ercarp View Post
    Number 1. I don't see them doing any significant revamping in 10.0. A revamp expansion will make the most sense after we've killed the Void Lords and closed off the whole Cosmic Saga.
    Heck, WoW 2.0 would make sense after we've dealt with the void lords. lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by KayRule View Post
    Good luck, it's pretty much 50/50 if the mods will slap you with an infraction for Forbidden Topics. I tried to show off a proof of concept on a private sandbox, of how they could use the tech introduced in Ashran/Garrisons to use seemless loading screen-less transitions between instances to bring over Ghostlands/Eversong to the main continent without having to completely remake those zones and redo all the questlines, triggers, coordinates for quests and NPC pathing, etc. and got a nice vacation from the site, even though I don't host anything.
    That's a shame because that actually sounds interesting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SniperCT View Post
    ESO has never raised the level cap. But each expansion comes chock full of end game content because advancement is through champion points. For example, I have 2 level 50s. Every time I gain a CP on one of those characters, both get it, AND all my alts below 50 get it. I'm free to spend it on each alt however I wish.

    It's REALLY nice.

    eta: It also, quite honestly, handles level scaling and content scaling way better than WoW does. From level 1-50 every zone scales to you. You can level in any zone, through any expack in any order, just happens naturally.
    Not gonna lie: this sounds like a much better system, and also more player-friendly.

  14. #37854
    Quote Originally Posted by Bsirk View Post
    Heck, WoW 2.0 would make sense after we've dealt with the void lords. lol
    WoW 2 is never gonna happen. What would that even accomplish that couldn't be done through an expansion?

    Fracturing the player base is probably not what you want to do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bsirk View Post
    Heck, WoW 2.0 would make sense after we've dealt with the void lords. lol
    And what would it be about? The old guard is dead, all well established threats are dead, the map is uncovered. Yes, new stuff can be invented but so far they were never as popular as the old ones. The grounded stories with old characters against villains we know well.

    WoW 2.0 Ideally would be like Pokemon where every generation essentially tells the same story. The gameplay gets more polished, the graphic gets better but otherwise all of it is familiar and reassuring.

  16. #37856
    Quote Originally Posted by Fahrad Wagner View Post
    Not gonna lie: this sounds like a much better system, and also more player-friendly.
    It's super great for alts too. Like as you get more CP and spend them, you get more powerful obviously. So if you have a main with a lot of CP, your low level alt can also spend that CP, making them a lot more powerful, so leveling goes easier. (plus revisiting older content is easier when you have high CP, which happens a lot because of frequent in game events that send you into older zones to do stuff, which is something I think WoW needs too)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Makorus View Post
    WoW 2 is never gonna happen. What would that even accomplish that couldn't be done through an expansion?

    Fracturing the player base is probably not what you want to do.
    There are three official versions of the game, so I think they aren't listening.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wangming View Post
    And what would it be about? The old guard is dead, all well established threats are dead, the map is uncovered. Yes, new stuff can be invented but so far they were never as popular as the old ones. The grounded stories with old characters against villains we know well.

    WoW 2.0 Ideally would be like Pokemon where every generation essentially tells the same story. The gameplay gets more polished, the graphic gets better but otherwise all of it is familiar and reassuring.
    I once had an idea where we come back from argus/shadowlands/draenor/whereever and ... a thousand years have passed. New alliances have been formed, most of the people we knew are gone(except long lived elves and drae and the like). To the world, all the champions and some lore characters (like Jaina and Thrall or whatever) disappeared one day.

    And then we all return, weakened, but when we're needed most.

    Give a lot of chance to really mess around with things and do a kind of reset.

    Could even make it a prestige system. Hit level 100, do the storyline, get reset to level 1 and level through the new wow 2.0 content to the end game. Using chromie time to revisit the old world and etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wangming View Post
    There are three official versions of the game, so I think they aren't listening.
    I mean, WoW 2 would simply be an upgrade to WoW 1 and would slowly assimilate players, just like with Overwatch. But there is no need for WoW 2 really, the only thing it would bring that expac cannot is some technical stuff like new engine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Makabreska View Post
    I mean, WoW 2 would simply be an upgrade to WoW 1 and would slowly assimilate players, just like with Overwatch. But there is no need for WoW 2 really, the only thing it would bring that expac cannot is some technical stuff like new engine.
    Yeah pretty much. You can't get rid of bags with WoW. You can't change combat from tab targeting to action in WoW. You only get to do that in WoW 2.

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