1. #37861
    Quote Originally Posted by Makabreska View Post
    I mean, WoW 2 would simply be an upgrade to WoW 1 and would slowly assimilate players, just like with Overwatch. But there is no need for WoW 2 really, the only thing it would bring that expac cannot is some technical stuff like new engine.
    There's a few reasons I'd want a WoW 2 that are entirely personal/subjective.
    1. Reboot lore and world. Can do right on characters like Kael'thas, Garrosh, my boy Malygos. And... don't make entire zones just memes (Uldum, Westfall, etc).
    2. Could ... not add certain joke allied races added in BFA (4 at the top of my head -- allied races were train wreck imo).
    3. Make each zone (and city!) bigger, IE zoom in on the world map. Could make the base game JUST set in the southern half of the Eastern Kingdoms and build out.

  2. #37862
    Quote Originally Posted by Fahrad Wagner View Post
    Not gonna lie: this sounds like a much better system, and also more player-friendly.
    Well there are two additional factors in play.

    Hitting max level with a character in ESO means nothing. Characters in ESO need to level up their skills independently of their level which can be a fairly time consuming process. And learning all the necessary passives to be optimal as well as additional skills you may want to swap in your bar (with the idea we are making a character with just a single built) or really learning any professions (which are very important for ESO, both since you chain chug pots and since you largely upgrade your own gear) requires skill points. These also don't come from leveling, they come from doing the story quests, dungeons, exploration (via the skyshards). So a new alt can take far more time to get to a decent level than in WoW. You CAN ofc buy skyshard unlocks so you don't have to spend hours finding them.

    And yes, the Champion system is account wide. It also has an extremely high cap that is impossible for new players to grind to. And yes, the most powerful skills are slotted so you only need to max about twelve of them. But besides the slottable passives, there are dozens of other passives that everyone can have constantly active, many of which are tied to player power. You still need to get to about 900/3600 just to have your first choice of slottables maxed and nearly double that to have desired passives maxed as well. Simply playing the game doesn't really give you enough xp to catch up. Your best bet by far is to stack up +xp% gear and consumables and grind, grind, grind. The gear and most of the consumables are available in game (though the consumables cost an arm and a leg to make). You can ofc buy those consumables from the store as well . . .

    If you did want to play multiple playstyles ofc, you'd want far more skill points and champion points so you have flexibility. A recent patch did effectively add Dual Talents to ESO. You can change pretty much everything. But you can only do it in your house unless you buy a very expensive follower. And two builds are actually nothing for ESO. You need radically different builds to be effective in any challenging solo content, for dungeons, for trials, for PvP in Cyrodiil, for PvP in battlegrounds, heck you want different builds to do gathering, hunt for treasures or focus on the Justice system (i.e. be a thief or assassin). You can have more than Dual Talents ofc . . . if you pay.

  3. #37863
    when you do an increase to a version it is because you want to do away with some retroactive work or break some existing system that you cannot do on existing.

    So you should picture removing continents, races, classes, etc.

    I don't want that and think there are doing fine with it now, so we clearly don't need a wow 2 right now.

  4. #37864
    Quote Originally Posted by Das Momo View Post
    There's a few reasons I'd want a WoW 2 that are entirely personal/subjective.
    1. Reboot lore and world. Can do right on characters like Kael'thas, Garrosh, my boy Malygos. And... don't make entire zones just memes (Uldum, Westfall, etc).
    2. Could ... not add certain joke allied races added in BFA (4 at the top of my head -- allied races were train wreck imo).
    3. Make each zone (and city!) bigger, IE zoom in on the world map. Could make the base game JUST set in the southern half of the Eastern Kingdoms and build out.
    Once again, you could easily do that with an expansion. And even so, if they made a WoW2, it would not be a reboot with the same characters from WC3.

    Even if there was a WoW2, they would almost certainly not exclude races.

  5. #37865
    Quote Originally Posted by Makorus View Post
    Once again, you could easily do that with an expansion. And even so, if they made a WoW2, it would not be a reboot with the same characters from WC3.

    Even if there was a WoW2, they would almost certainly not exclude races.
    You think if they made WoW2 they'd add all 23 races?

  6. #37866
    Quote Originally Posted by Nymrohd View Post
    Eh, you are calling them sheep. What argument can be made when your initial position is "People who like this playstyle are incapable of critical thinking" You do it in multiple spots; the people who prefer solo play are decorated with any number of devaluing descriptors by you, without argument as to why. So yeah, you are not someone worth arguing with because you do not form statements but rather attack people's preferences.
    I am not calling the people i am typing too sheep, so idk what you are talking about. Your quote is also not something i said at all. When you quote people you really should try to be accurate, otherwise you look silly.

    " the people who prefer solo play are decorated with any number of devaluing descriptors by you, without argument as to why"
    Not only does this make no sense - any number? as in a rng? And what are those almsot infinite numerous devaluing descriptors again?
    I've argued everything i said, as opposed to you.

    Forming statements is completely irrelevant if you are not capable of arguing them, something you should think about - and attacking a preference is an irrelevant term. There is nothing inherently wrong with arguing against someone's preference.

    As a brilliant and funny comedian recently said: "Remember, just because you're offended, doesn't mean you're right"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Das Momo View Post
    You think if they made WoW2 they'd add all 23 races?
    You think they wont? But it's all moot discussion. Making WoW 2 and reseting every thing players got throughout 17y of gaming is a suicide move and will never happen. IF they ever make a sequel, it would be like with OW, where you can transfer everything you achieved. Wanting WoW 2 because you can't stand AR's is just weird.
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  8. #37868
    Quote Originally Posted by Wangming View Post
    Honestly? The most like scenario is that the story will focus on us undoing the end of Cataclysm so that the Dragon Aspects can guard us from whatever extra cosmic BS the Jailer was afraid of.
    there's basically zero chance Cata's ending is undone, a very common theme of the warcraft series since WC3 is mortal races banding together and fighting for survival. The series is pretty hard against having Superman/godlike type characters whose job is to just solve everyone's problems for them like this, that's why the aspects were depowered in the first place (note how the Night Elves lost their immortality in a similar way and characters like Fandral and Nozdormu both become villains trying to regain this power). This isn't some weird Metzen thing that got thrown out by new writers either, it's been very at the forefront of the past 3 expansions. Sure, we borrow and use the power of godlike beings, but the mortal races still do 99% of the work

    I think it's far more likely we see the dragons integrating with the rest of the world's societies more. They're very popular and it makes more sense than them being "well we lost our powers, time to go sulk in a corner" or whatever. I think it's pretty likely we see some sort of solution found to their repopulating/breeding problem, since that was a pretty big downer

  9. #37869
    Quote Originally Posted by Makabreska View Post
    You think they wont? But it's all moot discussion. Making WoW 2 and resting every thing players got throughout 17y of gaming is a suicide move and will never happen. IF they ever make a sequel, it would be like with OW, where you can transfer everything you achieved. Wanting WoW 2 because you can't stand AR's is just weird.
    23 races for a new MMO is quite the undertaking when the original game released 8, but I suppose we have different views of what's possible for one game company. lol

  10. #37870
    Quote Originally Posted by Das Momo View Post
    23 races for a new MMO is quite the undertaking when the original game released 8, but I suppose we have different views of what's possible for one game company. lol
    True, however most ARs can be added to the main races as a sub race options, kind of like this:



    The only AR without a main race are Vulpera.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TomatoBisque View Post
    there's basically zero chance Cata's ending is undone, a very common theme of the warcraft series since WC3 is mortal races banding together and fighting for survival. The series is pretty hard against having Superman/godlike type characters whose job is to just solve everyone's problems for them like this, that's why the aspects were depowered in the first place (note how the Night Elves lost their immortality in a similar way and characters like Fandral and Nozdormu both become villains trying to regain this power). This isn't some weird Metzen thing that got thrown out by new writers either, it's been very at the forefront of the past 3 expansions. Sure, we borrow and use the power of godlike beings, but the mortal races still do 99% of the work

    I think it's far more likely we see the dragons integrating with the rest of the world's societies more. They're very popular and it makes more sense than them being "well we lost our powers, time to go sulk in a corner" or whatever. I think it's pretty likely we see some sort of solution found to their repopulating/breeding problem, since that was a pretty big downer
    I'm not going to argue against this, as it makes way too much sense. What I outlined was more like what I think Danuser would do as opposed to what I actually want to happen.

    But yes, at the very least the breeding part of it will definitely be solved.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KayRule View Post
    I would kill for Blizzard to add an expansion without levels. It's been a core issue of their expansion design philosophy since BC and getting rid of it would be monumental to fixing the game.
    Core issue? Half of people coming for launch stay only first month (or months). Do you think they will come when expansion will be presented as glorified patch? Not to mention that on your main you will have to do campaign anyway, so nothing will change there. It's all about appearance, just like with level squish.

    If anything, we should push Blizzard for more and more quality of life stuff for alts, since leveling 10 levels is often shortest part of preparation. And yes, it works, although slowly. Every expac launch is minor setback, but when we look on last patch situation, easily SL>BfA>Legion when we talk about alts.

  13. #37873
    Quote Originally Posted by Wangming View Post
    Yeah pretty much. You can't get rid of bags with WoW. You can't change combat from tab targeting to action in WoW. You only get to do that in WoW 2.
    Yeah, changing the obsolete and outdated combat of WoW is the first thing I'd do if I was making a sequel. Along with complete UI change to prevent add-on shittery. Seriously, fuck the add-on culture.
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  14. #37874
    Anduin stays in the Shadowlands.
    If Wrathion returns and there is no Anduin, then once again, Blizzard omits some characters' interactions.

  15. #37875
    Quote Originally Posted by KainneAbsolute View Post
    Anduin stays in the Shadowlands.
    If Wrathion returns and there is no Anduin, then once again, Blizzard omits some characters' interactions.
    TBH, the less Anduin there is, the better. Every character will be better off without his poisonous presence.

    Hopefully he dies on the way back to his home planet!

  16. #37876
    Quote Originally Posted by bagina View Post
    Yeah, changing the obsolete and outdated combat of WoW is the first thing I'd do if I was making a sequel. Along with complete UI change to prevent add-on shittery. Seriously, fuck the add-on culture.
    sorry, but the combat system (tab targeting) is what makes wow great.

  17. #37877
    Quote Originally Posted by ZyntosAran View Post
    sorry, but the combat system (tab targeting) is what makes wow great.
    It's the worst part about WoW. More or less. Also how can you even think that? If new people drop WoW it's because they didn't last with the combat that braindead and mindnumbingly boring. It was enough 20 years ago, not today.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bagina View Post
    Yeah, changing the obsolete and outdated combat of WoW is the first thing I'd do if I was making a sequel. Along with complete UI change to prevent add-on shittery. Seriously, fuck the add-on culture.
    To be fair they caused it themselves. I still remember when you had to use an addon for quest tracking and all that shit. Blizzard pretty much delegated QoL features to third party software. That shit has got to go. The unmentionable game does not have the same flexibility WoW has with addons, but a whole lot more than the actual game has on its own. Basically the only one that us widely used is reshade.

    If I did a WoW 2, I would aim to integrate every feature they now use an AddOn for.

  19. #37879
    Quote Originally Posted by bagina View Post
    It's the worst part about WoW. More or less.
    Do you mean the core system itself (as Like "we should change it to be action oriented like Skyrim or half action based like GW2) or do you mean the implementation, because obviously its a buggy mess at this point and lost so much potential because of how its implemented.

    The second one I agree, the first one sounds like a "you" problem to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZyntosAran View Post
    sorry, but the combat system (tab targeting) is what makes wow great.
    I don't even understand the logic beside this claim. There is nothing even remotely interesting about WoW's combat. Sure compared to the unmentionable competition the controls are much more responsive. But here is the thing. What they like about it is that it is responsive and faced paced. That would absolutely improve by huge leaps if WoW had action combat.

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