Dragonflight Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[Revamp Man]

So assuming we have the infinite created in this expansion the question is how?
How is Nozdormu supposed to die and why is it guaranteed he will try to stop it??
Also why was chromie such a target in the legion scenario??

Given the new lore of dreadlords is it possible that they have a plan to try and kill chromie??

I’m thinking Chromie is the key to the creation of the infinite. Nozdormu assists her in the well of eternity section of the scenario so maybe she has become his protégé and in seeing his death he saw her as the new aspect of time. Maybe his disappearance is like Thor after seeing his fight against Surtyr

[DevilDare]

Regarding the WoW2 argument to change the combat. Didn't the original Monk concept in MoP early alpha/beta have a more "action" based combat that then got scrapped to the usual tab targeting one?

[Nyel]

Stormwind definitely has space to expand. The keep can easily be enlarged, embassy area can fit two-three districts by itself Mage district can get much larger. And that's without actual changes to the geography; the area between Stormwind and Dun Morogh could be changed completely (and makes no sense whatsoever)

Really given that they very much focus on the two capitals so as not to split the population, the best thing they could do would be to revamp them so they are representative of a lot more races. Stormwind could fit very single race of the Alliance in it. Not sure if Orgrimmar could because it's theme is far more specific (while SW is bland enough to allow it).

Yeah, the WoW capitals became very dated over the years. They just don't feel like proper capitals. If you want to see how capitals are done right and magnificiently, look at Guild Wars 2. No MMORPG does cities better than ArenaNet. Those capitals feel like that, crowded, populated, they are massive. If Stormwind and Orgrimmar are the "main" faction capitals, they should really be expanded.

[Makabreska]

Regarding the WoW2 argument to change the combat. Didn't the original Monk concept in MoP early alpha/beta have a more "action" based combat that then got scrapped to the usual tab targeting one?

They were supposed to not have auto attacks at all.

[delphiskye]

Yeah, the WoW capitals became very dated over the years. They just don't feel like proper capitals. If you want to see how capitals are done right and magnificiently, look at Guild Wars 2. No MMORPG does cities better than ArenaNet. Those capitals feel like that, crowded, populated, they are massive. If Stormwind and Orgrimmar are the "main" faction capitals, they should really be expanded.

regarding this if you go to legion dal in the ptr they seem to be attempting this? there is Dalaran citizens and children and also new named npcs there aswell now that i think on it im seeing new named npcs in live too in sw

[DevilDare]

They were supposed to not have auto attacks at all.

Ahh yeah, that was it.

[Catastrophy349]

SoonTM. Soon we will be speculating even harder as the 19th approaches. Perhaps, another still photo/"real-ish leak" will surface. Then, we shall blast these forums with HYPE on the morning of the announcement, during the announcement, and, hopefully, following the announcement there will be A LOT to talk about (in a good way). Regardless, we will have A TON to talk about. Also, I'm excited to explore the Dragonflight website once it goes up (during/after official announcement). Interested in the interviews/articles that will follow.

[Wangming]

regarding this if you go to legion dal in the ptr they seem to be attempting this? there is Dalaran citizens and children and also new named npcs there aswell now that i think on it im seeing new named npcs in live too in sw

I'll be first to admit I'm biased, but my favorite MMO city is Kugane. It is vibrant, alive and fun to explore both horizontally and vertically.

Ahh yeah, that was it.

It certainly would have spiced things up a bit. But it would have been far from action combat. That is more of a targeting thing. When you pilot a harvest golem in westfall. I think that is action combat.

[Makabreska]

Yeah, the WoW capitals became very dated over the years. They just don't feel like proper capitals. If you want to see how capitals are done right and magnificiently, look at Guild Wars 2. No MMORPG does cities better than ArenaNet. Those capitals feel like that, crowded, populated, they are massive. If Stormwind and Orgrimmar are the "main" faction capitals, they should really be expanded.

What really screams "outdated" beside crappy textures are those weird, cartoonish angles so many old buildings have.

[Wangming]

Also, I'm excited to explore the Dragonflight website once it goes up (during/after official announcement). Interested in the interviews/articles that will follow.

Bold of you to assume there won't be another oopsie and we won't see the website a few hour before the reveal.

[micwini]

SoonTM. Soon we will be speculating even harder as the 19th approaches. Perhaps, another still photo/"real-ish leak" will surface. Then, we shall blast these forums with HYPE on the morning of the announcement, during the announcement, and, hopefully, following the announcement there will be A LOT to talk about (in a good way). Regardless, we will have A TON to talk about. Also, I'm excited to explore the Dragonflight website once it goes up (during/after official announcement). Interested in the interviews/articles that will follow.

And on the 20th, we will have the 10.x & 11.0 speculation thread

[Wangming]

And on the 20th, we will have the 10.x & 11.0 speculation thread

No, this will become the beta hype thread. Only at release will this thread die and the new one rise from the ashes.

[ercarp]

Yeah, the WoW capitals became very dated over the years. They just don't feel like proper capitals. If you want to see how capitals are done right and magnificiently, look at Guild Wars 2. No MMORPG does cities better than ArenaNet. Those capitals feel like that, crowded, populated, they are massive. If Stormwind and Orgrimmar are the "main" faction capitals, they should really be expanded.

regarding this if you go to legion dal in the ptr they seem to be attempting this? there is Dalaran citizens and children and also new named npcs there aswell now that i think on it im seeing new named npcs in live too in sw

As someone who used to RP, I actually hated when they added a bunch of random filler NPCs to Stormwind in BfA (you know, the Teldrassil refugees and such) because they put them directly on top of good RP spots. Now those spots are forever occupied by NPCs that never move. I don't want more cities to meet the same fate, it's really annoying and disruptive to RP.

[draugril]

Diablo also allows for target lock after all.

So does Monster Hunter Elden Ring and Zelda. WoW isn't the only game to ever exist with responsive gameplay and fluid animation. It has been two decades since WoW released - it would be folly to suggest that it is the pinnacle of possibility regarding quality gameplay.

But as I said, not a hill worth dying on. This isn't something I "worry about" or hold against WoW. It is what it is. This cannot change. But I won't pretend that it's a best-case scenario, 20 years removed.

[Deventh]

What really screams "outdated" beside crappy textures are those weird, cartoonish angles so many old buildings have.

Classic WoW will never age. It has very particular set of graphics that are cartoonish and just won't look or feel old, ever. I'd argue some of the old models look way better than the new "HD" models WoW has done.

If we ever get WoW 2 the graphics engine will be completely new so they will have a lot more freedom to do anything they want.

[Revamp Man]

They were supposed to not have auto attacks at all.

to be fair the designer was more or less winging it the entire time
im glad we got what we got though

[Catastrophy349]

Bold of you to assume there won't be another oopsie and we won't see the website a few hour before the reveal.

"Wait and see".

[Wangming]

As someone who used to RP, I actually hated when they added a bunch of random filler NPCs to Stormwind in BfA (you know, the Teldrassil refugees and such) because they put them directly on top of good RP spots. Now those spots are forever occupied by NPCs that never move. I don't want more cities to meet the same fate, it's really annoying and disruptive to RP.

This is the chair problem.

You want to sit 10 children down, but you only have 8 chairs. What do you do?

Person A (Anakin, in Star Wars memes, probably Garrosh in WoW): Kill two children.
Person B (Obi-Wan in Star Wars memes, probably Thrall in WoW) Get two more chairs.

So the very limited number of good RP spots got occupied by NPCs that were added in to make the capital of the whole Alliance less of a ghost town. You could cut out NPCs again, or you could show some love to the RP community. I'd prefer the latter.

[Raetary]

Classic WoW will never age.

Eh.. it already does.

Standing on Thoradins wall comparing Hillsbrad textures to HD Arathi ones is like night and day.
Same with the scar in Tirisfal and its surroundings, if it wasn't for the massive fog to conceal it.
Lvling in Ardenweald or Zandalar and then running around Ashenvale or Stranglethorn feels like you logged off from retail altogether and started playing classic.

I think we are just so used to the old polygons and pixels that we don't perceive them as outdated, but with each expansion improving the games graphical quality even that starts to go away.

[delphiskye]

As someone who used to RP, I actually hated when they added a bunch of random filler NPCs to Stormwind in BfA (you know, the Teldrassil refugees and such) because they put them directly on top of good RP spots. Now those spots are forever occupied by NPCs that never move. I don't want more cities to meet the same fate, it's really annoying and disruptive to RP.

dont worry these are not stationary npcs they move around the city although i have shed a tear old emma it seems is either bugged or has demtia she stands her home now stating her lines thing is there is no-one there to get water for...