Dragonflight Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[Wangming]

And on the 20th, we will have the 10.x & 11.0 speculation thread

No, this will become the beta hype thread. Only at release will this thread die and the new one rise from the ashes.

[ercarp]

Yeah, the WoW capitals became very dated over the years. They just don't feel like proper capitals. If you want to see how capitals are done right and magnificiently, look at Guild Wars 2. No MMORPG does cities better than ArenaNet. Those capitals feel like that, crowded, populated, they are massive. If Stormwind and Orgrimmar are the "main" faction capitals, they should really be expanded.

regarding this if you go to legion dal in the ptr they seem to be attempting this? there is Dalaran citizens and children and also new named npcs there aswell now that i think on it im seeing new named npcs in live too in sw

As someone who used to RP, I actually hated when they added a bunch of random filler NPCs to Stormwind in BfA (you know, the Teldrassil refugees and such) because they put them directly on top of good RP spots. Now those spots are forever occupied by NPCs that never move. I don't want more cities to meet the same fate, it's really annoying and disruptive to RP.

[draugril]

Diablo also allows for target lock after all.

So does Monster Hunter Elden Ring and Zelda. WoW isn't the only game to ever exist with responsive gameplay and fluid animation. It has been two decades since WoW released - it would be folly to suggest that it is the pinnacle of possibility regarding quality gameplay.

But as I said, not a hill worth dying on. This isn't something I "worry about" or hold against WoW. It is what it is. This cannot change. But I won't pretend that it's a best-case scenario, 20 years removed.

[Deventh]

What really screams "outdated" beside crappy textures are those weird, cartoonish angles so many old buildings have.

Classic WoW will never age. It has very particular set of graphics that are cartoonish and just won't look or feel old, ever. I'd argue some of the old models look way better than the new "HD" models WoW has done.

If we ever get WoW 2 the graphics engine will be completely new so they will have a lot more freedom to do anything they want.

[Revamp Man]

They were supposed to not have auto attacks at all.

to be fair the designer was more or less winging it the entire time
im glad we got what we got though

[Catastrophy349]

Bold of you to assume there won't be another oopsie and we won't see the website a few hour before the reveal.

"Wait and see".

[Wangming]

As someone who used to RP, I actually hated when they added a bunch of random filler NPCs to Stormwind in BfA (you know, the Teldrassil refugees and such) because they put them directly on top of good RP spots. Now those spots are forever occupied by NPCs that never move. I don't want more cities to meet the same fate, it's really annoying and disruptive to RP.

This is the chair problem.

You want to sit 10 children down, but you only have 8 chairs. What do you do?

Person A (Anakin, in Star Wars memes, probably Garrosh in WoW): Kill two children.
Person B (Obi-Wan in Star Wars memes, probably Thrall in WoW) Get two more chairs.

So the very limited number of good RP spots got occupied by NPCs that were added in to make the capital of the whole Alliance less of a ghost town. You could cut out NPCs again, or you could show some love to the RP community. I'd prefer the latter.

[Raetary]

Classic WoW will never age.

Eh.. it already does.

Standing on Thoradins wall comparing Hillsbrad textures to HD Arathi ones is like night and day.
Same with the scar in Tirisfal and its surroundings, if it wasn't for the massive fog to conceal it.
Lvling in Ardenweald or Zandalar and then running around Ashenvale or Stranglethorn feels like you logged off from retail altogether and started playing classic.

I think we are just so used to the old polygons and pixels that we don't perceive them as outdated, but with each expansion improving the games graphical quality even that starts to go away.

[delphiskye]

As someone who used to RP, I actually hated when they added a bunch of random filler NPCs to Stormwind in BfA (you know, the Teldrassil refugees and such) because they put them directly on top of good RP spots. Now those spots are forever occupied by NPCs that never move. I don't want more cities to meet the same fate, it's really annoying and disruptive to RP.

dont worry these are not stationary npcs they move around the city although i have shed a tear old emma it seems is either bugged or has demtia she stands her home now stating her lines thing is there is no-one there to get water for...

[Nymrohd]

As someone who used to RP, I actually hated when they added a bunch of random filler NPCs to Stormwind in BfA (you know, the Teldrassil refugees and such) because they put them directly on top of good RP spots. Now those spots are forever occupied by NPCs that never move. I don't want more cities to meet the same fate, it's really annoying and disruptive to RP.

That's why we need proper housing.

With maybe some "houses" that are actually build like taverns, inns or temples.

[uikolertekopoku]

[draugril]

I think you have it backwards.

[Nyel]

to be fair the designer was more or less winging it the entire time
im glad we got what we got though

I mean MoP-Monk to SL-Monk is totally different. They gutted the MoP-Monk in Legion, which is a shame, because back then the class had unique gameplay mechanics. Now it's playing like everything else (maybe except Brewmaster).

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Very First Ones > Before Ones

[uikolertekopoku]

Very First Ones > Before Ones

Zero Ones > Very First Ones

[micwini]

Zero Ones > Very First Ones

Minus First Ones > Zero Ones > Very First Ones.

We can keep going. This just shows how dumb the First Ones are as a concept.

[Raetary]

Titans < First Ones < Very First Ones < Before Ones < Billy from Gymnastics class < Outside Ones < Previous Ones < Earlier Ones

[Makabreska]

Titans < First Ones < Very First Ones < Before Ones < Billy from Gymnastics class < Outside Ones < Previous Ones < Earlier Ones

Where are The Second Ones?

[Wangming]

Minus First Ones > Zero Ones > Very First Ones.

We can keep going. This just shows how dumb the First Ones are as a concept.

To be fair atoms have the same problem and we still call them atoms.

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Where are The Second Ones?

There was a civil war amongst the second ones regarding which part of the female anatomy is the sexiest. Afterr all the Buttans died, Titans reigned supreme.

[micwini]

To be fair atoms have the same problem and we still call them atoms.

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There was a civil war amongst the second ones regarding which part of the female anatomy is the sexiest. Afterr all the Buttans died, Titans reigned supreme.

This is some weird shit.

[Revamp Man]

I mean MoP-Monk to SL-Monk is totally different. They gutted the MoP-Monk in Legion, which is a shame, because back then the class had unique gameplay mechanics. Now it's playing like everything else (maybe except Brewmaster).

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Very First Ones > Before Ones

i miss clones and chi explosion

what i meant was MoP early design monk when celestalon was doing his whole "you guys dont understand how the class works" when theory crafters were explaining things like how brewmaster wasnt going to work the way it was designed around