Dragonflight Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[deviantcultist]

Elune Moon Dragon White Dragonflight theory coming together nicely.

If that somehow gives a nod at Night Warrior's powers, I'm all up for that.

[Vakir]

What the heck are you talking about?

Blizzard is great at being feigned progressive while being kinda tone deaf when it comes to representing genuine social nuance in their stories. In reality, the best way to have cultural competence and to have sensitivity is to be aware of differences and personal biases.

The Dragonflights having disparate cultures but finding union and common ground despite that is fine. It's a very real concern some chucklefuck would think it's a great idea to do some kind of misguided "we're all one race - THE HUMAN RACE" misunderstanding.

Dragonflight could just as easily mean nothing at all, though. It was a harmless jab.

I don't put much thought into leaks except for the entertainment value, but he did mention the Blood Elves and Tirisfal stuff way before the 9.2.5 stuff started appearing on the ptr. This person needs to go buy a lottery ticket because that's quite a few coincidences.

It's really nothing special.

Silvermoon and Tirisfal revamps have been on the stock wishlists for god knows how long now.

[Makabreska]

Tbf, the people who love PC games and the people who love mobile games are two different spheres that don't often overlap.

Not that I don't agree with you. Sadly D:I will easily make more money than DIV ever will.

Not sure why sadly. Potential success of DI does not diminish potential success of D4. It only attracts players to other game. Mobile games at their core are not some evil force that fucks over other, "legit" games. It just they happen to be easily monetized by more or less shitty means.

[Nymrohd]

This conversation is hurting my brain.

If they change the name of the Black dragonflight, that just shows that their internal thinking is (still) completely skewed. It was the same thing with the fruit paintings; replacing cleavage with fruit only showed us that Blizzard genuinely can't see someone's cleavage as anything except a cue/invitation to immediately sexually assault them. "And therefore such images must be purged from the game entirely so as not to entice us! Amirite, fellow devs?!"

All colors have symbolism, and black has been a symbol for mourning, darkness, witchcraft, mystery, the night, the unknown, death, evil, etc. since time immemorial. If you're incapable of associating the word "black" with anything other than black people, that's a you problem, not anyone else's.

Also if they changed it, it would be Obsidian.

[Super Dickmann]

Truth be told, skin color for humans in WoW could be anything. Vrykul could have any type of features given that they are effectively robots that were cursed into flesh forms. So the ones who came to EK with Tyr could be all different colors.

That's the current state of affairs, but there's still no canon black character of any consequence who isn't a bandit or a dragon. I'm surprised that Twitter hasn't gone on a jihad over it or over the fact that all good stems a blue-eyed blonde man from a hereditary monarchy.

[Local Ardenweald Faerie]

Also if they changed it, it would be Obsidian.

Obsidian Dragonflight sounds a lot cooler than the Black Dragonflight, honestly.

Please tell me I'm not alone in that.

[Lady Atia]

Obsidian Dragonflight sounds a lot cooler than the Black Dragonflight, honestly.

Please tell me I'm not alone in that.

You are not alone in that. Same goes for Azure Dragonflight tbh.

[uikolertekopoku]

Also if they changed it, it would be Obsidian.

Thats still problematic, some Black People who in fact identifys them as Obsidian colored People would be insulted.

I have a Compromise can we change the Black Dragonfligt into The Grey Dragonflight?

[Sharby]

The black = bad thing doesn’t hold up when the characters mentioned are literally painted midnight black.

As mentioned earlier, black humans having no lore and only existing as raiders or bandits (and being tied to STRANGLETHORN) is more problematic than black tauren being bad. Especially when it’s pretty much just one of them.

I mean they changed a lot of NPCs in the overworld to use the black features. Walk around Stormwind sometime. They also changed some NPC's in Silvermoon to be black as well. Kul'Tiras has had black NPC's for awhile. None of these characters are evil or shady.


The leading character in Exile's reach for Alliance (something ALL new players go through IIRC) is black with a black son.


This is literally just people making up misinformation then creating a fake group of people to get outraged at their misinformation. Very very strange behavior lol.

Black representation in WoW is fine.

[Vakir]

Obsidian and Azure sound way better, yes.

Didn't expect this to segue into weird and sensitive territory so fast, it's literally a jab at how misguided it would be to homogenize all dragons to be one thing because the fucked up metaphor speaks for itself.

[Khaza-R]

Not sure why sadly. Potential success of DI does not diminish potential success of D4. It only attracts players to other game. Mobile games at their core are not some evil force that fucks over other, "legit" games.

No, but they are often riddled with shallow gameplay and gacha hooks. One could argue they're highly exploitative as well since they usually target younger demographics. They're certainly not all bad, but I also don't really blame people for chastising their popularity.

[uikolertekopoku]

I mean they changed a lot of NPCs in the overworld to use the black features. Walk around Stormwind sometime.

So they erased White NPCs, and turned them Black?

[Vakir]

So they erased White NPCs, and turned them Black?

This is a totally honest and reasonable take that's going to go somewhere.

In any event, they made background characters more diverse, but actual main characters is another story. Give it time, I guess.

[Nymrohd]

That's the current state of affairs, but there's still no canon black character of any consequence who isn't a bandit or a dragon. I'm surprised that Twitter hasn't gone on a jihad over it or over the fact that all good stems a blue-eyed blonde man from a hereditary monarchy.

Honestly they really should have made the attempt to introduce some people of color over time. They'd probably do it for quotas but I'd have done it anyhow because representation doesn't just matter, it's also fun. Honestly they could even change the color of some existing people. I mean, I get that you cannot make Jaina black because there is so much merchandise with her. But Turalyon could have come back black. I mean dragons in WC2 looked green. . .

Also, the hottest male in WoW looks middle eastern (and is a child, but let's keep forgetting that cause it makes me uncomfortable)

[Khaza-R]

Obsidian Dragonflight sounds a lot cooler than the Black Dragonflight, honestly.

Please tell me I'm not alone in that.

I agree, obsidian sounds much cooler. All of them sound better using precious stones tbh.

[Nymrohd]

I agree, obsidian sounds much cooler. All of them sound better using precious stones tbh.

I just went by D&D gem dragons. The black ones were called obsidian.

[Vakir]

Also, the hottest male in WoW looks middle eastern (and a child, but let's keep forgetting that cause it makes me uncomfortable)

"...in dragon years!"

At least I assume you mean Wrathion. Weird fantasy age nonsense aside, he's definitely fire.

[Super Dickmann]

Also, the hottest male in WoW looks middle eastern (and is a child, but let's keep forgetting that cause it makes me uncomfortable)

That doesn't sound like babby Brad Pitt Anduin from the cinematics, so I have to condemn your taste.

[Local Ardenweald Faerie]

I agree, obsidian sounds much cooler. All of them sound better using precious stones tbh.

Ruby, Emerald, Azure, Obsidian... don't know what the Bronze dragonflight would be renamed to but I guess Bronze already fits.

Yeah. I wouldn't complain.

[micwini]

C‘mon

Where do you get these images from?