Dragonflight Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[Vakir]

The only argument I have against not increasing the level cap is...man, we really need another talent row. Unless they put that behind some arbitrary main quest gate after you've completed all the zones, which would feel deeply unnatural.

The problem is also that some people choose to level in their own ways (i.e. some people like to run more dungeons with friends even if it isn't as efficient) and I'm not sure how that would fit into the idea of not getting concrete progress through that.

[Izalla]

They whole micro-class thing sounds like it was ripped off from a concept that appeared on the forums around the same time where professions gave you an optional 4th spec

Edit : What a surprise, just checked and it was posted a day after the thread I am talking about

I'm still 11 pages behind right now but how has no one replied to this yet? A name that was already guessed in a thread that was a list of name guesses, a concept potentially copied from a thread posted only a day before, and the whole thing reads like a very specific wish list? Can you link to the thread in question? (If you already have and I will see that in a few more pages just disregard this)

[Zankai27]

This is functionally just leveling, but instead of increasing your level from 60 to 70 while questing instead nothing happens which will feel a lot worse for a lot of players.

Literally everything you want for alt catchup could be done with Threads of Fate (in fact, that's what it was originally billed as--being able to get a head start on endgame progression on alts while leveling, but you only get renown which is nice but you get so much regardless it doesn't really matter). They can 100% make alts a better experience without making a huge fucking change that could potentially be really bad for the game

It’s not the same at all; you could have a set of gear pieced together by what I suggested, after each major zone story point, that would all be competitive with early “max level” blue gear without having to fuss about the scaling of gear after a levelup vs. what you already got.

If the only real value of leveling is the dopamine you get when you get a level, they can find another way to recreate that without having to endlessly scale levels back every 10 years.

Haven't read all the pages, so apologies if this has been suggested already...

Regarding the micro classes, assuming of course they're real... what about if they intend to implement them as bodyguards or mercenaries, basically a second character that we can hire? It could be one spec, simple to use and balance, and we could use it for different stuff, including taking control of and just play the game with it. We could gear it, trasmog it, name it, it's basically an extension of our main character, but with a micro class.

I’m not really sure what about this is appealing; it sounds like a pet we keep around that has vague NPC powers. It’s a lot more appealing as an actual class we can play. The leaker really fucked up calling them micro-classes and not just 1-spec classes, which is what they then went on to describe them as. Not some NPC, not “a class skin for an existing class”, not “a shared spec between armor types” (gross), simple, single spec classes meant to give us access to a variety of different fantasies and new things to play.

People keep making the concept more complicated than it is under the guise of it sounding “easier to swallow”

[deviantcultist]

If they do make a Dragoon/Dragon Knight class, I hope it's close to what FF Dragoon and Dragon Age Inquisition's Reaver are and less of a heroic Dragonborn character.

[Chickat]

All I can think of is a Flappy Bird reskin.
Oh wait, they did that already.

Flappy Alexstrazsa

[Cosmic Janitor]

I gotta admit, it's been over a week now since the website code leak and I still can't help but think that Dragonflight just sounds stupid. It doesn't have a that ring of a proper expansion name to it. Wold of Warcraft: Dragonflight, there is just something off about it.

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If they do make a Dragoon/Dragon Knight class, I hope it's close to what FF Dragoon and Dragon Age Inquisition's Reaver are and less of a heroic Dragonborn character.

Gotta agree. If the class were to exist I hope it would be either a spear wielding knight, like the draconids of the flight or go full on into hand to hand combat while channeling the claws of a dragon.

[Chickat]

Make it Naga and we have a deal. I mean they do look a bit draconis, especially the males.

Id be ok with naga, but it probably wouldn't be as hype as dragon race.

[Revamp Man]

so the new class would definitely be dragonsworn in some case
"but the leak says 4 micro classes"
if you buy the leak thats on you but then you would have to buy into the EoA leak because it hits more points than the dragonflight leak

it would have to be a hero class so it can be introduced in azeroth during the story of SL and wouldnt be playable until after prepatch so they wouldnt have to make 4 new class abilities for them and im assuming prepatch makes the covenant abilities only exist in the generic versions
so no spear of bastion but yes steward.
"why would it be a hero class the other hero classes got squished"
Because it exists after the squish and storywise after SL so having it at a lower level means it can experience Legion which doesnt make sense because theres no class questline in legion which was THE CORE STORY.

The new level cap is going to be 70
"why squish levels if you are just going to keep increasing the cap?"
because you can buy about 10 years of time before needing a squish and the level squish was needed to cover the 9 leveling possibilities between classic-bfa
leveling also provides a sense of progression whether people accept it or not you can see the difference between a level 50 and a level 60 and the power gap is bigger than just gear.

heritage armor and everything is going to continue as well
"but we got heritage armor via warfronts"
no no we did not we just got armor that fit a racial theme

[Zankai27]

I gotta admit, it's been over a week now since the website code leak and I still can't help but think that Dragonflight just sounds stupid. It doesn't have a that ring of a proper expansion name to it. Wold of Warcraft: Dragonflight, there is just something off about it.

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I dunno, I’m honestly a big fan; I think it rolls pretty well, and tells us we’re in for a Dragony good time.

Doesn’t get worse than “Battle for Azeroth”, IMO

so the new class would definitely be dragonsworn in some case
"but the leak says 4 micro classes"
if you buy the leak thats on you but then you would have to buy into the EoA leak because it hits more points than the dragonflight leak

it would have to be a hero class so it can be introduced in azeroth during the story of SL and wouldnt be playable until after prepatch so they wouldnt have to make 4 new class abilities for them and im assuming prepatch makes the covenant abilities only exist in the generic versions
so no spear of bastion but yes steward.
"why would it be a hero class the other hero classes got squished"
Because it exists after the squish and storywise after SL so having it at a lower level means it can experience Legion which doesnt make sense because theres no class questline in legion which was THE CORE STORY.

The new level cap is going to be 70
"why squish levels if you are just going to keep increasing the cap?"
because you can buy about 10 years of time before needing a squish and the level squish was needed to cover the 9 leveling possibilities between classic-bfa
leveling also provides a sense of progression whether people accept it or not you can see the difference between a level 50 and a level 60 and the power gap is bigger than just gear.

heritage armor and everything is going to continue as well
"but we got heritage armor via warfronts"
no no we did not we just got armor that fit a racial theme

I’m probably going to regret responding to this, but are you OK my dude? You rambled about a lot of different things there and I think you need to take a step back; none of what you said is 100% required or necessary.

[TheAceofHearth]

Yes...and?

This is true today. If you and a friend are both leveling healers, you can't both queue as healers together. The answer is...drumroll...don't level healers together. My wife and I have done this many times over the years, and it isn't difficult at all:

Me: What do you want to make?
Wife: I'm making X this time.
Me: Okay, I'll make Y or Z to complement your pick.
Wife: You better!!

See...simple.

O honey, current classes HAVE other specs to use for queues, the micro classes Don't have other specs for other roles. IF you and your husband's boyfriend role Paladins, you can still level in LFD regardless, because Paladins can be all 3 roles. Heck, if you and your boyfriend and your wife's boyfriend all three decided to roll as hunters, you can join LFD together too. But a Minstrel and another Minstrel would not have that luxury.

[Chickat]

I highly doubt professions have been reworked yet, unless they work really fast. It wasn't that long ago they were advertising a job position to redo professions.

Yeah, but didn't he say work had already begun on it?

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This is all I'm going to reveal. You'll have to wait until the 19th for the rest.

Dragon Isles are not in or around the Eastern Kingdoms. That's a long since scrapped idea from before the game launched. The Dragon Isles will be implemented north of Azshara, and east of Winterspring.

Parts of the world are being revamped, but not in the way you might think. Night Elves will gain a new capitol city in a preexisting zone. Tirisfal is being overhauled. The Undercity is being reconstructed, featuring a new layout and motif. Azuremyst, Bloodmyst, Eversong, Ghostlands, Gilneas, Kezan, and the Lost Isles will all be updated and rolled into their respective continents.

There are no plans to add any new classes to the game going forward at this point in time. New specializations are being experimented with, though. For now, class cosmetics are the focus. New customization options are coming for existing races, particularly the allied races. New potential allied races are also being evaluated, but nothing is concrete and there will be none at launch.

There will not be a level cap increase. This expansion is a trial run for the new "parallel content" model.

Turalyon and Calia were set up to become the stand-in faction leaders for the Humans and Forsaken, respectively. Their stories will be expanded upon in the future, but they are not the focus of 10.0. Anduin AND Sylvanas are currently planned to return in the future.

If this is real, how disappointing.

[Zankai27]

O honey, current classes HAVE other specs to use for queues, the micro classes Don't have other specs for other roles. IF you and your husband's boyfriend role Paladins, you can still level in LFD regardless, because Paladins can be all 3 roles. Heck, if you and your boyfriend and your wife's boyfriend all three decided to roll as hunters, you can join LFD together too. But a Minstrel and another Minstrel would not have that luxury.

They’d obviously think of that if they were implementing this idea; I presume they’d have a way to queue as a DPS, or the queue system will be reworked anyway. It’s a surface level criticism of the idea.

[Local Ardenweald Faerie]

I wouldn't mind a Dragoon-like class if two handed swords were also allowed. Best thing about WoW is giving people weapon choices; IE Single-Minded Fury.

[Zankai27]

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If this is real, how disappointing.

Where’d this random post come from? Can’t find it anywhere. Gonna say X for doubt on this one. Feels like the usual “curb your enthusiasm” leaks after another one gets popular.

And this is an absolutely terrible sounding idea that I wouldn’t buy.

This is all they have to win people back? Class skins? Lmao

No thanks

[Revamp Man]

I dunno, I’m honestly a big fan; I think it rolls pretty well, and tells us we’re in for a Dragony good time.

Doesn’t get worse than “Battle for Azeroth”, IMO



I’m probably going to regret responding to this, but are you OK my dude? You rambled about a lot of different things there and I think you need to take a step back; none of what you said is 100% required or necessary.

none of what anyone here says is 100% required or necessary but my point stands that if we have a new class that isnt a hero class then how would they be able to do Legion leveling without a class hall or artifact weapon plus how would it work being introduced in SL without a class ability unless you think that blizzard is going to make torghast powers and a balanced set of covenant abilities for them?

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Yeah, but didn't he say work had already begun on it?

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If this is real, how disappointing.

dont believe any person claiming to have info until maybe mid next week
we are getting closer so the people who want to larp are coming out of the woodwork
the parallel content model mentioned is just a wishlist from the last 4 expansion speculations

[Zankai27]

none of what anyone here says is 100% required or necessary but my point stands that if we have a new class that isnt a hero class then how would they be able to do Legion leveling without a class hall or artifact weapon plus how would it work being introduced in SL without a class ability unless you think that blizzard is going to make torghast powers and a balanced set of covenant abilities for them?

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dont believe any person claiming to have info until maybe mid next week
we are getting closer so the people who want to larp are coming out of the woodwork
the parallel content model mentioned is just a wishlist from the last 4 expansion speculations

Bold of you to assume Covenant abilities will last in their current form past 9.2.5;

As for Legion, the simple explanation is to flag any additional classes as unable to do any class-specific Legion quests. Of course, if I really wanted to make it good I’d create simple Legion content for them but the easiest thing is to skip those parts on them.

Torghast is a different story. They can either only give them generic powers, or actually create powers for them, but “you can’t have a class because X” is such a surface level, easily dismissed viewpoint.

Also, “hero class” is utterly meaningless at this point. Any class can start at whatever level they want and be flagged for any content they want.

[Chickat]

April 19th can't come soon enough

If you are a blizz employee you should reveal that and crate a new account.

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It's the first real update on them and what they have going on overall since Ysera died that we know about. Im kind of expecting it to be a Dragon flight to the Dragon Isles kinda thing. They're heading to their homeland to figure out wtf is going on and we tag along as exemplary examples of what the Alliance and Horde have to offer. Kind of expecting Flynn to make an appearance again and probably a couple of other next-gen of WoW characters, maybe Taelia? Can't think of any Horde examples.

But that with the sailing to new adventure vibe at least for the release version Im sure patches will lead up to something bigger but I think they're gonna try and go MoP with it. Or at least that's my hope.

I want to go to the Dragon Isles with commander Zappy Boi!

[Vakir]

Where’d this random post come from? Can’t find it anywhere. Gonna say X for doubt on this one. Feels like the usual “curb your enthusiasm” leaks after another one gets popular.

And this is an absolutely terrible sounding idea that I wouldn’t buy.

This is all they have to win people back? Class skins? Lmao

No thanks

That's why I fully expect it over "surprise, 4 new classes, 5-6 new skins which require as much aesthetic work as a full class to be done correctly, and also a puppy."

Every single reality vs. every single fan-created leak has always favored the disappointing end of the spectrum and then people get confused why fandom, at least on MMO-C, skews negative.

[Hypester]

This is all I'm going to reveal. You'll have to wait until the 19th for the rest.

Dragon Isles are not in or around the Eastern Kingdoms. That's a long since scrapped idea from before the game launched. The Dragon Isles will be implemented north of Azshara, and east of Winterspring.

Parts of the world are being revamped, but not in the way you might think. Night Elves will gain a new capitol city in a preexisting zone. Tirisfal is being overhauled. The Undercity is being reconstructed, featuring a new layout and motif. Azuremyst, Bloodmyst, Eversong, Ghostlands, Gilneas, Kezan, and the Lost Isles will all be updated and rolled into their respective continents.

There are no plans to add any new classes to the game going forward at this point in time. New specializations are being experimented with, though. For now, class cosmetics are the focus. New customization options are coming for existing races, particularly the allied races. New potential allied races are also being evaluated, but nothing is concrete and there will be none at launch.

There will not be a level cap increase. This expansion is a trial run for the new "parallel content" model.

Turalyon and Calia were set up to become the stand-in faction leaders for the Humans and Forsaken, respectively. Their stories will be expanded upon in the future, but they are not the focus of 10.0. Anduin AND Sylvanas are currently planned to return in the future.

I don’t mind this leak, but I don’t buy it.

What AR special class customs are so important???? The only one I can think of is an offensive Tidesage for Kul Tirans, but otherwise I can’t think of any really needed class customizations for the ARs.

Oh, I read it wrong. It’s customizations, which are possible. But I call bullshit on no new class or race at launch because they can’t deal with that twice in a row.

[SniperCT]

All I care about wrt to leveling is any system that means I don't have to do shadowlands to get to level cap.

What's worse, resetting everyone to 50 again, or keeping you at 60 but offering a champion point type system?