Dragonflight Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[Cherry123]

what about her little brother ? or her father

Nathanos, father or brother. But not Anduin. You do not remember wise words, looking at the one who said them.

[Nymrohd]

That seems like a stretch given Nathanos is wearing predominantly leather rather than scalemail. His biggest distinguishing clothing feature is a giant leather duster afterall.

Still wears a lot of armor plating to cover specific areas; braces, gloves, boots, belt buckle and what looks like a breastplate (it could be a tabard but it is in metallic colors, looks stiff and is worn over heavy padding which is how breastplates are worn.

[Wangming]

I've actually been thinking this would be the most logical next step. Intro quest line has you rescue a bunch of eggs from somewhere, and wahey, it hatches into a baby chromatic drake. Which changes into whichever dragonflight you're currently associated with. Pocopoc was okay, as long as they don't drop a load of cosmetics on 1% drops on low spawn rares I'd enjoy it. You could mix Pocopoc, covenants, and the legion artifact weapon and customization into 1system, this little pet that's with you and grows the whole expansion.

Yes, I feel this is the logical next step. And shades of this have been present since Cata and least. You did that with a raptor hatchling. I also like your idea of making it a color changing chromatic drake. Would help making the new dragon a lore character later.

[TheAceofHearth]

wait wait wait
Team 2 is losing people??
does that mean we wont have the shitty expansion every other expansion now?

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just sayin
some npcs that may be dragonsworn in game has one with Sun in the surname
sun bathed furline

I remember doing that quest on my Draenei Hunter <3

[Nymrohd]

As much as Anduin for BfA, yet both have been completely overshadowed by the female counterpart. Which is not a real problem at all, but it's just an overused trope now.

I mean Anduin was mostly there to give punctuation to Saurfang's story and then to absolve the Horde of all the warcrimes by pinning everything on Sylvanas.

[huth]

It is possible to think the expansions are bad, but also that some of the decisions were good.
Just because SL suffered catastrophically because of droughts and poor buildup doesn't detract from how the Great Vault us a great improvement on gearing, and that 9.2 has gotten closer to fixing some old problems with tier sets.

It's also possible to make changes based on player feedback but find oneself unable to fix the system within the existing constraints of an expansion.

For that matter, ercarp seems to belong to the group of people who believe that "listening to feedback" = "implementing the exact changes I want, no matter how shit they would actually be".

[Sondrelk]

Still wears a lot of armor plating to cover specific areas; braces, gloves, boots, belt buckle and what looks like a breastplate (it could be a tabard but it is in metallic colors, looks stiff and is worn over heavy padding which is how breastplates are worn.

That wouldn't really make the distinct metal clanging sound though, which is the thing Sylvanas heard.

I have to say though, looking back I really wish they had killed Nathanos off for good. Just have Tyrande destroy his soul after killing him, that would have at least added some poignancy to the whole ending with Sylvanas if she ended up actually losing something.

[Nymrohd]

Yes, I feel this is the logical next step. And shades of this have been present since Cata and least. You did that with a raptor hatchling. I also like your idea of making it a color changing chromatic drake. Would help making the new dragon a lore character later.

Tbh I think it would be cooler if instead it was specific whelps we have saved during the last two decades. For Reds it could be Rhea's egg. For Blues it could be Emmigosa.

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That wouldn't really make the distinct metal clanging sound though, which is the thing Sylvanas heard.

I have to say though, looking back I really wish they had killed Nathanos off for good. Just have Tyrande destroy his soul after killing him, that would have at least added some poignancy to the whole ending with Sylvanas if she ended up actually losing something.

How so? For one thing, anyone friendly approaching Sylvanas from behind should be making sound to avoid taking an arrow to the head. Nathanos probably would be trained NOT to clank since he is a ranger ofc.

I just think the bait and switch is more interesting. And I like Anduin. I just want him out of a spot where his morals can just dictate the story as heavily as he can as High King.

[huth]

That wouldn't really make the distinct metal clanging sound though, which is the thing Sylvanas heard.

I have to say though, looking back I really wish they had killed Nathanos off for good. Just have Tyrande destroy his soul after killing him, that would have at least added some poignancy to the whole ending with Sylvanas if she ended up actually losing something.

For that matter, Nathanos would specificially wear it such that it can't clang. Comes with the territory of being a ranger.

[Deventh]

wait wait wait
Team 2 is losing people??
does that mean we wont have the shitty expansion every other expansion now?

Do you consider Shadowlands to be the shitty expansion or BFA? I honestly think BFA was better than Drylands.

[huth]

How so? For one thing, anyone friendly approaching Sylvanas from behind should be making sound to avoid taking an arrow to the head. Nathanos probably would be trained NOT to clank since he is a ranger ofc.

I just think the bait and switch is more interesting. And I like Anduin. I just want him out of a spot where his morals can just dictate the story as heavily as he can as High King.

Such as calling out to her. Not making uncharacteristic clanging noises. And that training would be about how to wear your armour right so it doesn't clank, not how to move.

You just want it to be Nathanos, even though that doesn't fit.

[Cherry123]

If the next expansion is similar to Pandaria, then Anduin will be in it.

- Developer Comment: Let's see how Anduin will be after Shadowlands.
- Wrathion is back, 8.3 didn't give them depth, new expansion will be.

[Wangming]

For that matter, ercarp seems to belong to the group of people who believe that "listening to feedback" = "implementing the exact changes I want, no matter how shit they would actually be".

I see where you are coming from, but it is hard to not feel like ercarp was when Blizzard does a very poor job communicating what they are working on, what they want to do, and what was scrapped and why. It is hard to interpret radio silence as listening.

Tbh I think it would be cooler if instead it was specific whelps we have saved during the last two decades. For Reds it could be Rhea's egg. For Blues it could be Emmigosa.

Also good idea, but as a story guy I'm always concerned with how a story can be canonized. Finding a stand in for you in the legion order halls and determining which artifact was canon is quite challenging as there are contradictions on many occasions.

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Do you consider Shadowlands to be the shitty expansion or BFA? I honestly think BFA was better than Drylands.

I feel there was more to do in BfA, but the overall story was the worst in Blizzard history. And the HoA was very poorly implemented.

[huth]

I see where you are coming from, but it is hard to not feel like ercarp was when Blizzard does a very poor job communicating what they are working on, what they want to do, and what was scrapped and why. It is hard to interpret radio silence as listening.

Given that they get slammed for everything they do say, i can see why they prefer to just not say anything. It's very much a problem with the community itself and a very overblown sense of entitlement.

[Nymrohd]

Such as calling out to her. Not making uncharacteristic clanging noises. And that training would be about how to wear your armour right so it doesn't clank, not how to move.

You just want it to be Nathanos, even though that doesn't fit.

Honestly I mostly don't want it to be Anduin. Also another idea was that Nathanos did not go to hell with his clothes since he died so maybe he is no longer in his original form. Maybe he is now a Mawsworn. Would actually make it more tragic.

I know it's Anduin. They don't do subtlety after all. I just don't see how it makes any sense. "Oh I was tortured and forced to do horrible things, let's deal with my trauma by hanging out with my abuser in turbo hell". That's downright stupid.

[Marlamin]

By all means continue defending the decisions of this multi-billion dollar company because the last two expansions have been so fucking great and amazing and totally didn't make almost everyone unsubscribe. You do you lmao.

This kind of post comes around often in this community, whether or not it be on Reddit, Twitter or here in the hype thread. I have some opinions on posts like this and seeing I'm parting ways with the community anyways what better time than this to share said opinions.

I don't think this way of binary thinking/exaggeration is constructive to this thread, the community or the game in general. Classifying people as either defenders or haters isn't and has never been helpful in the slightest. Nor do I think have I seen anyone actually saying BfA and Shadowlands have been "fucking great and amazing".

The implication that Activision Blizzard, and soon to be Microsoft, being a huge company makes them not care about the game isn't fair at all as there's many other companies/studios, even those that are now part of Microsoft, that still care about their games. WoW might not be as big of a priority for the company as it used to be, but it is also a very old game at this point and the amount of resources they're still sticking into it surprises me (which is not neccesarily a good thing).

As for listening to player feedback, Blizzard has listened to various things over the course of this expansion, most of which were listed by Dracullus here. Whether or not they listened to the right things, enough things or even made the right decisions based on feedback is definitely up for debate.

There is also the widely-hated Community Council (which for transparency reasons I am a member of), whether or not it is a PR move and whether or not it is helping, which has been shining a light on certain issues, some of which have been answered with actual changes. In my opinion it is still something they're not utilizing enough or even handling correctly, but 10.0 Alpha/Beta will cast the final verdict on the council (for me) as that is when the answers to most of the feedback would show up or (what people are expecting) end up being ignored.

The game has a very passionate fanbase, most of which have spent many years playing and caring about the game. I understand that when things aren't as fun as they used to be, or when you feel like Blizzard is actively destroying something you love about it (e.g. lore) it sucks to have invested so much time into something and it ending up like that. Shadowlands definitely hasn't been as fun compared to previous expansions for me either, with the exclusion of some of the alt-friendly changes they've done and Torghast (which I enjoyed right up to the current ilvl wall casuals like me cant climb over).

Anyways, end of rant, sorry for the arguably off-topic post but I needed to get this out of my brain.

[Revamp Man]

Do you consider Shadowlands to be the shitty expansion or BFA? I honestly think BFA was better than Drylands.

Bfa

SL was going to be pretty decent but the testing hit a point where they made weird changes for no reason like torghast and flipping the soulbind trees after weeks of balancing

[Lady Atia]

That wouldn't really make the distinct metal clanging sound though, which is the thing Sylvanas heard.

I have to say though, looking back I really wish they had killed Nathanos off for good. Just have Tyrande destroy his soul after killing him, that would have at least added some poignancy to the whole ending with Sylvanas if she ended up actually losing something.

Why does she have to loose something? Her goal was to actually create a better universe, and she got decieved hard by the Jailer. She was never inherently evil even if some haters (or that Afrasiabi dude ...) would like her to be. And in the end, her consequences actually led to a reform of the Shadowlands and a better system for everyone now that Pelagus allows souls to have a word in their judging process. Kyrians and Venthyr also got a major improvement. Her actually having to do something good and help retrieving souls from the Maw is a great ending for now, and I can't wait to get her, Dorithu, Anduin and Nathanos back in a future expansion.

[Sinured]

Why does she have to loose something? Her goal was to actually create a better universe, and she got decieved hard by the Jailer. She was never inherently evil even if some haters (or that Afrasiabi dude ...) would like her to be. And in the end, her consequences actually led to a reform of the Shadowlands and a better system for everyone now that Pelagus allows souls to have a word in their judging process. Kyrians and Venthyr also got a major improvement. Her actually having to do something good and help retrieving souls from the Maw is a great ending for now, and I can't wait to get her, Dorithu, Anduin and Nathanos back in a future expansion.

change sylvanas with hitler.

"lolz was not evul, haha got like tricked and shit".

people who expect good lore or story from wow are the same people who watch porn for the story.
wow is for aged 12+ games story is shit, makes no sense and is only made so you have some stuff every 5 minutes which had nothing to do with the last point.

like ffs, in wow lore every 2 years something so denk happens that the universe is nearly fucked, over and over again.

cant wait for the space SS, i meant burning crusade to come again.

[Deventh]

Why does she have to loose something? Her goal was to actually create a better universe, and she got decieved hard by the Jailer. She was never inherently evil even if some haters (or that Afrasiabi dude ...) would like her to be. And in the end, her consequences actually led to a reform of the Shadowlands and a better system for everyone now that Pelagus allows souls to have a word in their judging process. Kyrians and Venthyr also got a major improvement. Her actually having to do something good and help retrieving souls from the Maw is a great ending for now, and I can't wait to get her, Dorithu, Anduin and Nathanos back in a future expansion.

This. Also, Sylvanas was hurt enough by losing her homeland and her siblings and had to take comfort in leading and giving a purpose to literal decaying undeath.