1. #38441
    Quote Originally Posted by Wangming View Post
    We have been grinding AP since Legion. Artifact Power, Azeryte Power, Anima Power. Next is Alexstrasza Power.

    Hey, what if instead of a new weapon or trinket or something we get a pet dragon? Like instead of a dragon race or class, the "borrowed power" is a dragon that we level up and train across the isles? You pick a flight and go all how to train your dragon on them. At various stages the dragon increases in size. And as a max level reward you get them as a mount. I would prefer no borrowed power personally, but this would fit the setting and I could see as a followup of Zereth Mortis.
    I've actually been thinking this would be the most logical next step. Intro quest line has you rescue a bunch of eggs from somewhere, and wahey, it hatches into a baby chromatic drake. Which changes into whichever dragonflight you're currently associated with. Pocopoc was okay, as long as they don't drop a load of cosmetics on 1% drops on low spawn rares I'd enjoy it. You could mix Pocopoc, covenants, and the legion artifact weapon and customization into 1system, this little pet that's with you and grows the whole expansion.

  2. #38442
    Quote Originally Posted by Arafal View Post
    The poster child for Shadowlands was Bolvar, not Sylvanas.
    As much as Anduin for BfA, yet both have been completely overshadowed by the female counterpart. Which is not a real problem at all, but it's just an overused trope now.
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  3. #38443
    Quote Originally Posted by Cherry123 View Post
    it was about "metal armor" it could be anyone, not naked. Sylvanas remembered Anduin's words about "hope" when she saw who it was.
    The thing is though, who else could it realistically be?
    Especially in relation to the book, it would seem weird to just make it someone random. Arthas would have been a solid enough choice if he wasn't deleted in the raid.
    I guess it could be Uther, but seems more like it is supposed to be Anduin given he was last seen talking about staying in the Shadowlands.
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  4. #38444
    Quote Originally Posted by delphiskye View Post
    what about her little brother ? or her father
    Nathanos, father or brother. But not Anduin. You do not remember wise words, looking at the one who said them.

  5. #38445
    Quote Originally Posted by Sondrelk View Post
    That seems like a stretch given Nathanos is wearing predominantly leather rather than scalemail. His biggest distinguishing clothing feature is a giant leather duster afterall.
    Still wears a lot of armor plating to cover specific areas; braces, gloves, boots, belt buckle and what looks like a breastplate (it could be a tabard but it is in metallic colors, looks stiff and is worn over heavy padding which is how breastplates are worn.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nibelheimy View Post
    I've actually been thinking this would be the most logical next step. Intro quest line has you rescue a bunch of eggs from somewhere, and wahey, it hatches into a baby chromatic drake. Which changes into whichever dragonflight you're currently associated with. Pocopoc was okay, as long as they don't drop a load of cosmetics on 1% drops on low spawn rares I'd enjoy it. You could mix Pocopoc, covenants, and the legion artifact weapon and customization into 1system, this little pet that's with you and grows the whole expansion.
    Yes, I feel this is the logical next step. And shades of this have been present since Cata and least. You did that with a raptor hatchling. I also like your idea of making it a color changing chromatic drake. Would help making the new dragon a lore character later.

  7. #38447
    Quote Originally Posted by Totally Not Dragons View Post
    wait wait wait
    Team 2 is losing people??
    does that mean we wont have the shitty expansion every other expansion now?

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  8. #38448
    Quote Originally Posted by Nyel View Post
    As much as Anduin for BfA, yet both have been completely overshadowed by the female counterpart. Which is not a real problem at all, but it's just an overused trope now.
    I mean Anduin was mostly there to give punctuation to Saurfang's story and then to absolve the Horde of all the warcrimes by pinning everything on Sylvanas.

  9. #38449
    Quote Originally Posted by Sondrelk View Post
    It is possible to think the expansions are bad, but also that some of the decisions were good.
    Just because SL suffered catastrophically because of droughts and poor buildup doesn't detract from how the Great Vault us a great improvement on gearing, and that 9.2 has gotten closer to fixing some old problems with tier sets.
    It's also possible to make changes based on player feedback but find oneself unable to fix the system within the existing constraints of an expansion.

    For that matter, ercarp seems to belong to the group of people who believe that "listening to feedback" = "implementing the exact changes I want, no matter how shit they would actually be".

  10. #38450
    Quote Originally Posted by Nymrohd View Post
    Still wears a lot of armor plating to cover specific areas; braces, gloves, boots, belt buckle and what looks like a breastplate (it could be a tabard but it is in metallic colors, looks stiff and is worn over heavy padding which is how breastplates are worn.
    That wouldn't really make the distinct metal clanging sound though, which is the thing Sylvanas heard.

    I have to say though, looking back I really wish they had killed Nathanos off for good. Just have Tyrande destroy his soul after killing him, that would have at least added some poignancy to the whole ending with Sylvanas if she ended up actually losing something.
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  11. #38451
    Quote Originally Posted by Wangming View Post
    Yes, I feel this is the logical next step. And shades of this have been present since Cata and least. You did that with a raptor hatchling. I also like your idea of making it a color changing chromatic drake. Would help making the new dragon a lore character later.
    Tbh I think it would be cooler if instead it was specific whelps we have saved during the last two decades. For Reds it could be Rhea's egg. For Blues it could be Emmigosa.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sondrelk View Post
    That wouldn't really make the distinct metal clanging sound though, which is the thing Sylvanas heard.

    I have to say though, looking back I really wish they had killed Nathanos off for good. Just have Tyrande destroy his soul after killing him, that would have at least added some poignancy to the whole ending with Sylvanas if she ended up actually losing something.
    How so? For one thing, anyone friendly approaching Sylvanas from behind should be making sound to avoid taking an arrow to the head. Nathanos probably would be trained NOT to clank since he is a ranger ofc.

    I just think the bait and switch is more interesting. And I like Anduin. I just want him out of a spot where his morals can just dictate the story as heavily as he can as High King.

  12. #38452
    Quote Originally Posted by Sondrelk View Post
    That wouldn't really make the distinct metal clanging sound though, which is the thing Sylvanas heard.

    I have to say though, looking back I really wish they had killed Nathanos off for good. Just have Tyrande destroy his soul after killing him, that would have at least added some poignancy to the whole ending with Sylvanas if she ended up actually losing something.
    For that matter, Nathanos would specificially wear it such that it can't clang. Comes with the territory of being a ranger.

  13. #38453
    Quote Originally Posted by Totally Not Dragons View Post
    wait wait wait
    Team 2 is losing people??
    does that mean we wont have the shitty expansion every other expansion now?
    Do you consider Shadowlands to be the shitty expansion or BFA? I honestly think BFA was better than Drylands.

  14. #38454
    Quote Originally Posted by Nymrohd View Post
    How so? For one thing, anyone friendly approaching Sylvanas from behind should be making sound to avoid taking an arrow to the head. Nathanos probably would be trained NOT to clank since he is a ranger ofc.

    I just think the bait and switch is more interesting. And I like Anduin. I just want him out of a spot where his morals can just dictate the story as heavily as he can as High King.
    Such as calling out to her. Not making uncharacteristic clanging noises. And that training would be about how to wear your armour right so it doesn't clank, not how to move.

    You just want it to be Nathanos, even though that doesn't fit.

  15. #38455
    If the next expansion is similar to Pandaria, then Anduin will be in it.

    - Developer Comment: Let's see how Anduin will be after Shadowlands.
    - Wrathion is back, 8.3 didn't give them depth, new expansion will be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by huth View Post

    For that matter, ercarp seems to belong to the group of people who believe that "listening to feedback" = "implementing the exact changes I want, no matter how shit they would actually be".
    I see where you are coming from, but it is hard to not feel like ercarp was when Blizzard does a very poor job communicating what they are working on, what they want to do, and what was scrapped and why. It is hard to interpret radio silence as listening.

    Quote Originally Posted by Nymrohd View Post
    Tbh I think it would be cooler if instead it was specific whelps we have saved during the last two decades. For Reds it could be Rhea's egg. For Blues it could be Emmigosa.
    Also good idea, but as a story guy I'm always concerned with how a story can be canonized. Finding a stand in for you in the legion order halls and determining which artifact was canon is quite challenging as there are contradictions on many occasions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deventh View Post
    Do you consider Shadowlands to be the shitty expansion or BFA? I honestly think BFA was better than Drylands.
    I feel there was more to do in BfA, but the overall story was the worst in Blizzard history. And the HoA was very poorly implemented.

  17. #38457
    Quote Originally Posted by Wangming View Post
    I see where you are coming from, but it is hard to not feel like ercarp was when Blizzard does a very poor job communicating what they are working on, what they want to do, and what was scrapped and why. It is hard to interpret radio silence as listening.
    Given that they get slammed for everything they do say, i can see why they prefer to just not say anything. It's very much a problem with the community itself and a very overblown sense of entitlement.

  18. #38458
    Quote Originally Posted by huth View Post
    Such as calling out to her. Not making uncharacteristic clanging noises. And that training would be about how to wear your armour right so it doesn't clank, not how to move.

    You just want it to be Nathanos, even though that doesn't fit.
    Honestly I mostly don't want it to be Anduin. Also another idea was that Nathanos did not go to hell with his clothes since he died so maybe he is no longer in his original form. Maybe he is now a Mawsworn. Would actually make it more tragic.

    I know it's Anduin. They don't do subtlety after all. I just don't see how it makes any sense. "Oh I was tortured and forced to do horrible things, let's deal with my trauma by hanging out with my abuser in turbo hell". That's downright stupid.

  19. #38459
    Quote Originally Posted by a recent post but there are many others like it
    By all means continue defending the decisions of this multi-billion dollar company because the last two expansions have been so fucking great and amazing and totally didn't make almost everyone unsubscribe. You do you lmao.
    This kind of post comes around often in this community, whether or not it be on Reddit, Twitter or here in the hype thread. I have some opinions on posts like this and seeing I'm parting ways with the community anyways what better time than this to share said opinions.

    I don't think this way of binary thinking/exaggeration is constructive to this thread, the community or the game in general. Classifying people as either defenders or haters isn't and has never been helpful in the slightest. Nor do I think have I seen anyone actually saying BfA and Shadowlands have been "fucking great and amazing".

    The implication that Activision Blizzard, and soon to be Microsoft, being a huge company makes them not care about the game isn't fair at all as there's many other companies/studios, even those that are now part of Microsoft, that still care about their games. WoW might not be as big of a priority for the company as it used to be, but it is also a very old game at this point and the amount of resources they're still sticking into it surprises me (which is not neccesarily a good thing).

    As for listening to player feedback, Blizzard has listened to various things over the course of this expansion, most of which were listed by Dracullus here. Whether or not they listened to the right things, enough things or even made the right decisions based on feedback is definitely up for debate.

    There is also the widely-hated Community Council (which for transparency reasons I am a member of), whether or not it is a PR move and whether or not it is helping, which has been shining a light on certain issues, some of which have been answered with actual changes. In my opinion it is still something they're not utilizing enough or even handling correctly, but 10.0 Alpha/Beta will cast the final verdict on the council (for me) as that is when the answers to most of the feedback would show up or (what people are expecting) end up being ignored.

    The game has a very passionate fanbase, most of which have spent many years playing and caring about the game. I understand that when things aren't as fun as they used to be, or when you feel like Blizzard is actively destroying something you love about it (e.g. lore) it sucks to have invested so much time into something and it ending up like that. Shadowlands definitely hasn't been as fun compared to previous expansions for me either, with the exclusion of some of the alt-friendly changes they've done and Torghast (which I enjoyed right up to the current ilvl wall casuals like me cant climb over).

    Anyways, end of rant, sorry for the arguably off-topic post but I needed to get this out of my brain.
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  20. #38460
    Quote Originally Posted by Deventh View Post
    Do you consider Shadowlands to be the shitty expansion or BFA? I honestly think BFA was better than Drylands.
    Bfa

    SL was going to be pretty decent but the testing hit a point where they made weird changes for no reason like torghast and flipping the soulbind trees after weeks of balancing

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