Dragonflight Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[huth]

I think it's fairly problematic that we just came off the expansion that was supposed to delve into the afterlife and we probably have more questions about it than before.

I wouldn't say that. Before, all we knew is that it's where the dead go. There weren't any details to ask questions about.

[Skildar]

I absolutely should react this way. You claim my arguments are accusations, that my facts are distorted and that I don't know the story.

Then just get it right next time pal, it happens ^^

[Sondrelk]

Ever heard of the word CONCEPT? Its the SAME concept. In all 3 expansions we BARROW power/abilities + grind some sort of power resource.

In Legion and BfA you have expansion centric abilities that required grinding a resource.
In SL you have expansion centric abilities, and also a resource system for gaining cosmetics.

It seems about as relevant to eachother as raids being equal in quality just because each one has trash and bosses.
Is Sylvanas as good a raid boss as Argus because they both have similar elements?

[cocomen2]

I have yet to hear why Artifact power and Azerite are similar to Anima though.

Brace yourself The Naive One, be ready to farm Aspect Power, only to scrape and delete it in next expansion that comes after it.

[deviantcultist]

Holy shit, Elune's Lunar Dragonflight was always in the game and I never even noticed? That's amazing.

Man, if they pull an Elune Dragonflight for the new class it will be one of the best curveballs Blizz has ever pulled. Trying to not make myself hope for too much though.

[shoc]

Man, if they pull an Elune Dragonflight for the new class it will be one of the best curveballs Blizz has ever pulled. Trying to not make myself hope for too much though.

It sure as hell won't be the 'White Dragonflight' the Kotaku article basically writes itself. While we are at they might as well add in a Grand Cyclops Emperor.

[Zankai27]

I just want to pre-order the dang Epic version already, hurry up Blizzard!

Let's hope for an Allied Race twist to 9.2.5 so we've got reasons to play until 10.0.

Imagine the absolute batshit shitstorm that would come from us getting the Covenant races like that.

It’ll never happen, but it’s almost funny to think about how insane it is

Edit: Alternatively, and even more unlikely, the new classes are real, and they add those in 9.2.5 as an absolute meta stomping shakeup. Season 4 gets even whackier than anyone could imagine.

[Khaza-R]

Maybe draenor was tidally locked to its big moon, so the moon was always in the same spot covering the valley?

It could if it was like Pluto and Charon. Tidally locked to one another.

Charon doesn't rise or set on Pluto. It just always hovers in the same spot. It would be cool if that was the case for Shadowmoon. But I doubt they designed it with that detail in mind. Probably more like - oh its magic.

[shoc]

Imagine the absolute batshit shitstorm that would come from us getting the Covenant races like that.

It’ll never happen, but it’s almost funny to think about how insane it is

Edit: Alternatively, and even more unlikely, the new classes are real, and they add those in 9.2.5 as an absolute meta stomping shakeup. Season 4 gets even whackier than anyone could imagine.

I bet both my nuts that Covenant ARs will be announced as a pre-order bonus for 10.0

[Nymrohd]

Without trying to figure out exactly what parts of the game are story canon or not (there was some debate that going back to Org/SW is a gameplay QoL, and as far as the story goes, we haven't left SL), I would point out that to the common beings on Azeroth, none of what transpired will ever really be known. Keep in mind, as the story has developed over time, our characters spend time with the most powerful beings on the planet, heck you could argue we are part of that designation, but most of the world is just dealing with life as they go.

So, if we assume that a bunch of world leaders, and some very powerful heroes, are gone for awhile, and come back, how much are they really going to talk about what they experienced with say, a bartender or a farmer, and, would they even be believed? Faith is a very strong thing, and not easily broken by someone just coming up and saying "You're wrong". So if Night elves or orcs or humans have an idea of what the afterlife is, I doubt that these ideas would be fractured much by my Mage or your Rogue stopping by to say "all that you were told is a lie, etc.", assuming that we would even do so. To wit; if someone on Earth claimed to have visited the afterlife as a mortal, and showed us the portal they used to get there, we'd think they were insane, and most rational people would not jump into a glowing door given the chance, and even if a few did, it's unlikely to have a great effect.

As far as the canon goes, I think about it occasionally but it doesn't melt my head. I'm far more frustrated and annoyed about how the story affects my character choices (see Sylvanas arc) than how all the canon lines up, and, I want to see better quest text, better dialogue, smarter dialogue, and that will have a bigger impact on the game experience, at least for me. I can really do without characters like Lor'themar describing the Mawsworn kidnappers as "dastardly fiends"...I mean, seriously?

I mean we could treat civilians traveling to Oribos (And there are several of them) to search for loved ones as unintended. But the fact that the way is open is reiterated by the new Blood Elf quests with Salandria visiting her father (unknowingly) in Bastion and then getting to Maldraxxus suggests that it's all canon. The nature of Elune will also be hard to hide. Tyrande and Shandris were there and will have to consider how it affects the faith, especially given how many Night Elves have begun to doubt Elune, Tyrande herself included.

[Makorus]

I bet both my nuts that Covenant ARs will be announced as a pre-order bonus for 10.0

It makes sense as well, because both Maldraxxus and Revendreth have a Horde-aligned "Azeroth character" (Kael'thas and Draka) and Bastion and Ardenwaeld have Alliance-aligned "Azeroth characters" (Uther and Tyrande/Ysera)

[Nymrohd]

I have yet to hear why Artifact power and Azerite are similar to Anima though.
Is it really just that they drop from similar sources that makes players dislike it?

They truly aren't. Anima had completely different issues than Artifact Power and Azerite which required for it to rebalanced throughout the expac. And while I very much understand gear catch up, cosmetic catch up just makes everyone who spend hours weekly to get enough Anima to get their desired cosmetics feel like an idiot when later you could get it at ten times the rate. Was it meant to waste our time? Was it meant to create a problem so that we would be grateful when they solved it? Was it just poor calculation on their part even though the feedback was loud and clear in the beta?

[Local Ardenweald Faerie]

I want Covenant ARs so bad.

faeries pls

[Nymrohd]

It could if it was like Pluto and Charon. Tidally locked to one another.

Charon doesn't rise or set on Pluto. It just always hovers in the same spot. It would be cool if that was the case for Shadowmoon. But I doubt they designed it with that detail in mind. Probably more like - oh its magic.

It would also create quite the extreme behaviour in Draenor climate right?

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I want Covenant ARs so bad.

faeries pls

I'd expect Sylvari.

[Revamp Man]

At least I saw effort and ambition in BfA.

Eh personally I didn’t

Azerite gear was a big let down and got abandoned early
They nerfed sources for it compared to Legion AP
The weekly cache system that the devs said was fine and players were wrong but ended up changing because again the players were right
The loot trade restrictions and forced personal loot none of which made sense with their reasoning “trials deserve loot too” trials got plenty of loot and bonus rolls helped.

That’s not me saying SL was amazing but I’m having more fun now than I did in 8.3.

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My favorite part of Dragonflight will be (hopefully) everyone stops talking about Sylvanas.

10.3
Sylvanas and Anduin return to unite the horde and alliance against chromatus

[pacotaco]

Maybe draenor was tidally locked to its big moon, so the moon was always in the same spot covering the valley?

Ther must be something else. Draenor Shadowmoon is always night full moon, not too different from how Darkshore is now after the Night Warrior ritual.

[Zankai27]

It would also create quite the extreme behaviour in Draenor climate right?

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I'd expect Sylvari.

Give the Sylvari a racial to summon a Fae for any reason; makes sense enough

[Local Ardenweald Faerie]

Give the Sylvari a racial to summon a Fae for any reason; makes sense enough

NO THEY MUST BE PLAYABLE

I know they will never be but I will beg anyway!

[Ersula]

There's datamining that allows us to speculate from and there's datamining that ends up being straight up spoilers. The latter kind sucks and is why datamining is getting harder in general. Blizzard should be focused on fixing that kind of datamining and not making all of datamining harder.

Blizzard needs to get it in their head that the only people following the PTR actually WANT spoilers.

[Shadochi]

Blizzard needs to get it in their head that the only people following the PTR actually WANT spoilers.

I'd say more along the lines of it being people that follow news sites only WANT PTR spoilers. Bacause I personally never installed PTR to go for spoilers on it, for that I look at MMOC or WoWHead (not I have to visit WoWHead over a VPN but thats a whole different story...). The few times I actually installed the PTR is because I wanted to get a look at something specific (zone and cypher system in 9.2, corruption in 8.3 and such). Almost nobody actually playes the PTR for spoilers since they are usually covered in much more than what is available on fan sites because of datamining (strings, cutscenes or models or whatever that aren't available in the ptr yet)