Dragonflight Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[Raetary]

Sylvanas literally committed genocide, started a war and caused thousands to suffer and die for her own goals and her actions caused the universe to be almost plunged into darkness.

But yeah, she is just an innocent plum.
All is forgiven because she is depressed.

[Deventh]

Sylvanas literally committed genocide, started a war and caused thousands to suffer and die for her own goals and her actions caused the universe to be almost plunged into darkness.

But yeah, she is just an innocent plum.
All is forgiven because she is depressed.

I am not going to argue but I just want to mention this:

The Alliance slaughtered innocent Goblin miners in Silithus BEFORE Sylvanas did anything. They also exported the Azerite that the HORDE found on Kalimdor through Teldrassil, so burning the only possible export of Azerite is a strategic victory no matter what you might think.

[Makabreska]

Oh wow, Sylvi excusers are back! Never inherently evil but hey let's burn alive boatloads of Nelf civilians while knowing they will be sent to literal hell afterwards. Topest of keks.

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I am not going to argue but I just want to mention this:

The Alliance slaughtered innocent Goblin miners in Silithus BEFORE Sylvanas did anything. They also exported the Azerite that the HORDE found on Kalimdor through Teldrassil, so burning the only possible export of Azerite is a strategic victory no matter what you might think.

This whataboutism gives her ZERO excuses, and it's so tired, overused and meaningless when discussing her actions. She literally agreed that she did monstrous things under her free will to further her own agenda.

[Nymrohd]

Bfa

SL was going to be pretty decent but the testing hit a point where they made weird changes for no reason like torghast and flipping the soulbind trees after weeks of balancing

At least I saw effort and ambition in BfA.

[Dracullus]

By all means continue defending the decisions of this multi-billion dollar company because the last two expansions have been so fucking great and amazing and totally didn't make almost everyone unsubscribe. You do you lmao.

Quick, let's use "everyone that don't shit on expansion 24/7 is fanboy" deflect! And thank for proving my comment about "brainless take".

[Khaza-R]

rather than get grumpy lets dissect these photos from pre patch whats in the cart? and what mount does that saddle go with? and why did they move the barber shop??

My guess is that the 9.2.5 is going to have something to do with re-building some of the capital cities. Probably something where players contribute before the new versions are released. Might be something like the Gates of Ahn'Oiraji but where players will vote with their effort on which cities get revamped first.

We have Forsaken NPCs gathering in Brill with supplies and encrypted event with Calia
Worker NPCs in the files for Orgimmar
World Tree 2
Updated Goldshire buildings and random clutter/doodads being added to Stormwind

So far nothing on IF, TB, Silvermoon or Exodar.

[Raetary]

I am not going to argue but I just want to mention this:

The Alliance slaughtered innocent Goblin miners in Silithus BEFORE Sylvanas did anything. They also exported the Azerite that the HORDE found on Kalimdor through Teldrassil, so burning the only possible export of Azerite is a strategic victory no matter what you might think.

You people are absolutely insane.

You just pulled a whataboutist argument over a handful of Goblin miners, to justify her almost removing the Nelves from the face of the planet and working with blue Satan to destroy the universe.

I mean, just wow.

[therumblings]

My favorite part of Dragonflight will be (hopefully) everyone stops talking about Sylvanas.

[Fahrad Wagner]

My guess is that the 9.2.5 is going to have something to do with re-building some of the capital cities. Probably something where players contribute before the new versions are released. Might be something like the Gates of Ahn'Oiraji but where players will vote with their effort on which cities get revamped first.

We have Forsaken NPCs gathering in Brill with supplies and encrypted event with Calia
Worker NPCs in the files for Orgimmar
World Tree 2
Updated Goldshire buildings and random clutter/doodads being added to Stormwind

So far nothing on IF, TB, Silvermoon or Exodar.

This would be properly awesome, I'd love a rebuilding pre-expansion event instead of yet another invasion!

[pacotaco]

Alabaster, Pale, Ivory, Silver, Pearl, plenty of choices of synonyms for white.

Moon-touched


https://www.warcraftpets.com/wow-pet...d-netherwhelp/

[Fahrad Wagner]

Moon-touched


https://www.warcraftpets.com/wow-pet...d-netherwhelp/

This little guy always bugged me out, I really wonder if it was a teaser all along

[Catastrophy349]

We are getting closer, and closer, and closer. 10 days to go! Happy Saturday! It was last Saturday (I know, fast, right?) that we found the "leak" of Dragonflight.

[Dracullus]

I have yet to hear why Artifact power and Azerite are similar to Anima though.
Is it really just that they drop from similar sources that makes players dislike it?

It's chaos in communication. Some people who didn't play SL or only tried it for few hours genuinely believe Anima is power grind just like AP. That's what happens when almost every big WoW creator is focused on drama, not guiding people. Few times even sites like wowhead created drama from clickbait.

Look how in past few years Blizzard try to counter it with long blue posts explaining every new feature before patch drop. In the past we didn't have this, every time new content drop, community made multiple videos explaining everything.

[Fahrad Wagner]

We are getting closer, and closer, and closer. 10 days to go! Happy Saturday! It was last Saturday (I know, fast, right?) that we found the "leak" of Dragonflight.

Yep, ten more days and we'll know what's up! Although I'm fully expecting a full blown leak two days before that

[GabrielKnight]

I think the most controversial thing about Sylvanas was the fact that she choose to work with a guy who had those nipples showing off. I would be both intimidated and scared all day.

[Nyel]

Do you consider Shadowlands to be the shitty expansion or BFA? I honestly think BFA was better than Drylands.

Both are pretty bad. Let's hope team A was working on Dragonflight for these two shitty expansions and that's why the 10.0 will be E P I C.

Gonna need some more copium now.

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My favorite part of Dragonflight will be (hopefully) everyone stops talking about Sylvanas.

For one patch.

[Deventh]

You people are absolutely insane.

You just pulled a whataboutist argument over a handful of Goblin miners, to justify her almost removing the Nelves from the face of the planet and working with blue Satan to destroy the universe.

I mean, just wow.

Provocation and slaughtering people from your alliance is not worth mentioning? It is totally in line with everything that happened after and a good leader would do counter measures to prevent it. Do you just smile at your enemy that is killing your people and let them export the valuable resource that you found so they can then use it against you? After all, they killed miners so they will have no problem continuing to slaughter more people with the power that the Azerite brings.

I mean, just wow. Your prejudice is showing hard. Don't worry tho, the Night Elves didn't go extinct.

I will give you a real life example: If a country goes and invades Russia and starts exporting their oil and gas illegally and kills the people working there you can absolutely expect a nuke to drop on that country.

[Skildar]

This kind of post comes around often in this community, whether or not it be on Reddit, Twitter or here in the hype thread. I have some opinions on posts like this and seeing I'm parting ways with the community anyways what better time than this to share said opinions.

I don't think this way of binary thinking/exaggeration is constructive to this thread, the community or the game in general. Classifying people as either defenders or haters isn't and has never been helpful in the slightest. Nor do I think have I seen anyone actually saying BfA and Shadowlands have been "fucking great and amazing".

The implication that Activision Blizzard, and soon to be Microsoft, being a huge company makes them not care about the game isn't fair at all as there's many other companies/studios, even those that are now part of Microsoft, that still care about their games. WoW might not be as big of a priority for the company as it used to be, but it is also a very old game at this point and the amount of resources they're still sticking into it surprises me (which is not neccesarily a good thing).

As for listening to player feedback, Blizzard has listened to various things over the course of this expansion, most of which were listed by Dracullus here. Whether or not they listened to the right things, enough things or even made the right decisions based on feedback is definitely up for debate.

There is also the widely-hated Community Council (which for transparency reasons I am a member of), whether or not it is a PR move and whether or not it is helping, which has been shining a light on certain issues, some of which have been answered with actual changes. In my opinion it is still something they're not utilizing enough or even handling correctly, but 10.0 Alpha/Beta will cast the final verdict on the council (for me) as that is when the answers to most of the feedback would show up or (what people are expecting) end up being ignored.

The game has a very passionate fanbase, most of which have spent many years playing and caring about the game. I understand that when things aren't as fun as they used to be, or when you feel like Blizzard is actively destroying something you love about it (e.g. lore) it sucks to have invested so much time into something and it ending up like that. Shadowlands definitely hasn't been as fun compared to previous expansions for me either, with the exclusion of some of the alt-friendly changes they've done and Torghast (which I enjoyed right up to the current ilvl wall casuals like me cant climb over).

Anyways, end of rant, sorry for the arguably off-topic post but I needed to get this out of my brain.

I can tell you that I find shadowlands to be great and amazing. It has done very good things for the lore by expanding its universe the right way and getting rid of the "we now know everything from the creation of the universe to the major players of the cosmos even if we never met/encountered them".
For sure this expansion has some major issues and people point their finger on it almost everyday and some still bug me (big lore characters idling in oribos and not participating the slightest in the events happening, kel'thuzad becoming a begging idiot, casual players get much better rewards in the weekly vaults through mm+ than raid, etc.). Raids are very good, no god tier raid like Battle for Dazar'Alor but still very good! Dungeons became excellent!

I didn't like at all BfA. The theme and story telling that did not resonate with me, but it was the farming that was overbearing. Despite this, it has always been clear that Blizzard want WoW to be entertaining and are actively listening to players. If you've played BfA you had to notice this. They redid their whole endgame systems to be engaging and rewarding and without the clunkiness of loosing power when you get higher level reward.

Like you've pointed in your thread and some others did as well, these efforts are always ongoing but people expect the impossible out of the dev like if running the show for almost 20 years made them able to see into the future... Anyway it's important to continue criticising the game but if people could do the bare minimum research and took some short time before expressing their frustration we would be left with much less aggressive and nonsensical feedback

[Nyel]

I can tell you that I find shadowlands to be great and amazing. It has done very good things for the lore by expanding its universe the right way and getting rid of the "we now know everything from the creation of the universe to the major players of the cosmos even if we never met/encountered them".

Sorry, but I think the overwhelming majority in and outside of the game (aka forums, social media etc.) disagrees on this. So far that it's basically the main reason why Shadowlands is absolutely disliked. The major, massive lore f*ck ups are the biggest offender of Shadowlands. Everything besides that is at least middle of the road or even decent.

The Warcraft universe would be way more cohesive and way better if we just made Shadowlands non-canon. That's how terrible and damaging most of the major lore aspects in this expansion have been.

[Makabreska]

Provocation and slaughtering people from your alliance is not worth mentioning? It is totally in line with everything that happened after and a good leader would do counter measures to prevent it. Do you just smile at your enemy that is killing your people and let them export the valuable resource that you found so they can then use it against you? After all, they killed miners so they will have no problem continuing to slaughter more people with the power that the Azerite brings.

I mean, just wow. Your prejudice is showing hard. Don't worry tho, the Night Elves didn't go extinct.

I will give you a real life example: If a country goes and invades Russia and starts exporting their oil and gas illegally and kills the people working there you can absolutely expect a nuke to drop on that country.

You can keep up your mental gymnastics, but the story, every NPC and herself disagree with you. So ye, you are now denying reality.