Dragonflight Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[Makorus]

I bet both my nuts that Covenant ARs will be announced as a pre-order bonus for 10.0

It makes sense as well, because both Maldraxxus and Revendreth have a Horde-aligned "Azeroth character" (Kael'thas and Draka) and Bastion and Ardenwaeld have Alliance-aligned "Azeroth characters" (Uther and Tyrande/Ysera)

[Nymrohd]

I have yet to hear why Artifact power and Azerite are similar to Anima though.
Is it really just that they drop from similar sources that makes players dislike it?

They truly aren't. Anima had completely different issues than Artifact Power and Azerite which required for it to rebalanced throughout the expac. And while I very much understand gear catch up, cosmetic catch up just makes everyone who spend hours weekly to get enough Anima to get their desired cosmetics feel like an idiot when later you could get it at ten times the rate. Was it meant to waste our time? Was it meant to create a problem so that we would be grateful when they solved it? Was it just poor calculation on their part even though the feedback was loud and clear in the beta?

[Local Ardenweald Faerie]

I want Covenant ARs so bad.

faeries pls

[Nymrohd]

It could if it was like Pluto and Charon. Tidally locked to one another.

Charon doesn't rise or set on Pluto. It just always hovers in the same spot. It would be cool if that was the case for Shadowmoon. But I doubt they designed it with that detail in mind. Probably more like - oh its magic.

It would also create quite the extreme behaviour in Draenor climate right?

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I want Covenant ARs so bad.

faeries pls

I'd expect Sylvari.

[Revamp Man]

At least I saw effort and ambition in BfA.

Eh personally I didn’t

Azerite gear was a big let down and got abandoned early
They nerfed sources for it compared to Legion AP
The weekly cache system that the devs said was fine and players were wrong but ended up changing because again the players were right
The loot trade restrictions and forced personal loot none of which made sense with their reasoning “trials deserve loot too” trials got plenty of loot and bonus rolls helped.

That’s not me saying SL was amazing but I’m having more fun now than I did in 8.3.

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My favorite part of Dragonflight will be (hopefully) everyone stops talking about Sylvanas.

10.3
Sylvanas and Anduin return to unite the horde and alliance against chromatus

[pacotaco]

Maybe draenor was tidally locked to its big moon, so the moon was always in the same spot covering the valley?

Ther must be something else. Draenor Shadowmoon is always night full moon, not too different from how Darkshore is now after the Night Warrior ritual.

[Zankai27]

It would also create quite the extreme behaviour in Draenor climate right?

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I'd expect Sylvari.

Give the Sylvari a racial to summon a Fae for any reason; makes sense enough

[Local Ardenweald Faerie]

Give the Sylvari a racial to summon a Fae for any reason; makes sense enough

NO THEY MUST BE PLAYABLE

I know they will never be but I will beg anyway!

[Ersula]

There's datamining that allows us to speculate from and there's datamining that ends up being straight up spoilers. The latter kind sucks and is why datamining is getting harder in general. Blizzard should be focused on fixing that kind of datamining and not making all of datamining harder.

Blizzard needs to get it in their head that the only people following the PTR actually WANT spoilers.

[Shadochi]

Blizzard needs to get it in their head that the only people following the PTR actually WANT spoilers.

I'd say more along the lines of it being people that follow news sites only WANT PTR spoilers. Bacause I personally never installed PTR to go for spoilers on it, for that I look at MMOC or WoWHead (not I have to visit WoWHead over a VPN but thats a whole different story...). The few times I actually installed the PTR is because I wanted to get a look at something specific (zone and cypher system in 9.2, corruption in 8.3 and such). Almost nobody actually playes the PTR for spoilers since they are usually covered in much more than what is available on fan sites because of datamining (strings, cutscenes or models or whatever that aren't available in the ptr yet)

[huth]

Ther must be something else. Draenor Shadowmoon is always night full moon, not too different from how Darkshore is now after the Night Warrior ritual.

Magic. Note that the rest of Draenor is not in permanent night or day.

[Marlamin]

Blizzard needs to get it in their head that the only people following the PTR actually WANT spoilers.

In my opinion, a lot of people might want spoilers but none of them actually deserve spoilers.

[Fahrad Wagner]

In my opinion, a lot of people might want spoilers but none of them actually deserve spoilers.

I second the birb on that. Especially when you see the instant toxic reaction of some people in the community to ANYTHING added to the game, especially in the early stages. Feedback is of course required, and essential (especially if it prevents Blizzard from going in the wrong direction), but way too often it's not even constructive.

[Ersula]

In my opinion, a lot of people might want spoilers but none of them actually deserve spoilers.

Corporate Blizzard: We're not here for a long time, but we are here for a bad time.

[Marlamin]

I second the birb on that. Especially when you see the instant toxic reaction of some people in the community to ANYTHING added to the game, especially in the early stages. Feedback is of course required, and essential (especially if it prevents Blizzard from going in the wrong direction), but way too often it's not even constructive.

Yeah. Testing and feedback is important as the recent PTR phases have shown, but at the same time I think anything story related shouldn't be available/tested on PTRs nor is it something Blizzard should be seeking/accepting feedback for (at least not at the point where it's already on PTR).

[bagina]

In my opinion, a lot of people might want spoilers but none of them actually deserve spoilers.

No such thing. Spoilers are a blessing. They save us from disappointment. I'm thankful for every leak.

[Marlamin]

No such thing. Spoilers are a blessing. They save us from disappointment. I'm thankful for every leak.

It can be both, not deserving to know story beats before you're supposed to but still getting excited/thankful about it when you do aren't mutually exclusive.

[Fahrad Wagner]

Yeah. Testing and feedback is important as the recent PTR phases have shown, but at the same time I think anything story related shouldn't be available/tested on PTRs nor is it something Blizzard should be seeking/accepting feedback for (at least not at the point where it's already on PTR).

I do agree with you, but not entirely: I'd be ok with that if Blizzard was capable of completely keeping track of their own lore, however, BfA and SL had many small examples of them scr*wing up on that and forgetting their own lore. Through Beta and PTR, there were also things that were fixed because the community stepped in and asked them to correct it (lorewise that is)

So yeah, I agree with you that story related spoilers should be left out of testing... but again, can we trust Blizzard with that? With patches going on a full PTR cycle, they still go live with bugs (thankfully not as often now as before but still), what would happen for something that was not tested on PTR? That would imply they switch to a strictly internal testing model for some parts of the games, and I guess that's more resources used for that rather than used elsewhere? I don't really know how those things get organised in the gaming industry.

This is difficult, on one hand I'd like it to happen, on the other I'm not trusting them entirely.

[Cosmic Janitor]

I want Covenant ARs so bad.

faeries pls

Not even a snowball's chance in hell that you'd get those. You'd get the goats at best, you also won't get the awsome gargoyles or the necro-liches.

[Ersula]

It can be both, not deserving to know story beats before you're supposed to but still getting excited/thankful about it when you do aren't mutually exclusive.

That absolutely isn't true, but mainly because the effort put into the devs being more secretive has increased while at the same time the quality of the plot has been declining.