Dragonflight Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[Lady Atia]

I don't get it. what's funny about that picture?

Me neither. I actually like her transmog and the doggo is quite cute.

[ChairmanKaga]

Hey all - I know this is going to be shot down, and I've mentioned this in other threads, but I wanted to put my thoughts down.

World of Warcraft: Infinite.

Thanks for your time.

Not bad. I wouldn't mind any of that.

[FlubberPuddy]

Me neither. I actually like her transmog and the doggo is quite cute.

Yeah, I actually thought it was wild that's an Undead that almost looks Human too - pretty neat.

[Lady Atia]

Yeah, I actually thought it was wild that's an Undead that almost looks Human too - pretty neat.

Yes! Honestly the only thing blizzard needs to add for undead is a straight back option. Would look sooooo good!

[TheFirstOnes]

I don't get it. what's funny about that picture?

The Skybox. :/

[Raetary]

The Skybox. :/

What about it?

[TheFirstOnes]

Hey all - I know this is going to be shot down, and I've mentioned this in other threads, but I wanted to put my thoughts down.

I think the next expansion is going to be some sort of time travel expansion, likely with dragons. The Infinite Dragonflight will be involved as one of the antagonists. This will allow for a storyline involving bringing Yrel to our timeline setting up 11.0 as the Light vs Void expansion. I'm sure this will also have some sort of larger cosmos enemy as the 'true' enemy of the expansion.

Why do I think this?

1. The new statue that whispers in 9.1. A decent chunk of these whispers mention something to do with time:

Everliving Statuette: Hope. Betrayal. Sacrifice. Faces change. The tale does not.
Everliving Statuette: So many secrets, so little time left to share them.
Everliving Statuette: A city of secrets. A history of lies.
Everliving Statuette: The seventh covets what the six hold fast. The fulcrum wavers. All will be undone.

That last whisper, I believe, is referring to a possible 7th cosmic force. I believe this seventh cosmic force is Time. Right now Temporal magic is relegated to the domain of Order, which is why it 'covets what the six hold fast'. But, if the First Ones created the cosmic forces, there must've been a time before the creation of these when they didn't exist, so Time had to exist before Order. The Tazavesh Lore Book in the new dungeon also brings up the idea that there is a seventh cosmic force that existed before the 6 that where the First Ones existed. This seventh force allowed for the ordering of the 6 cosmic forces we know about.

https://www.wowhead.com/news/tazaves...-of-the-322938

2. NPC Hint - Timecap'n Hooktail

In the new dungeon in 9.1, one of the bosses is an Infinite Dragon. This implies there is some sort of connection between the Brokers, Korthia, and the Infinite Dragonflight.

https://ptr.wowhead.com/news/pirate-...ilities-321856

3. Non-Combat Pet hint - Timeless Mechanical Dragonling

Buried in the patch notes for 9.1 is this new non-combat pet. It's going to be sold by the same NPC that sells other WoW anniversary items in the Caverns of Time. It looks like it costs the same currency as well. So, we can conclude that this will likely be a reward for the next anniversary. It's flavor text is:

Dragons come in all types of temporal classification -- timeless, time-lost, and even infinite.

Why would this be the reward for this anniversary? Generally the rewards are connected to current or past content. Maybe we can expect some kind of announcement the anniversary this year. Additionally the end of the flavor text, "even infinite" seems to have special emphasis.

What would be a better way to celebrate a 10.0 of World of Warcraft than to have a time travel expansion where we can potentially relive some of the best moments in Warcraft history?

World of Warcraft: Infinite.

Thanks for your time.

https://ptr.wowhead.com/npc=179125/t...cal-dragonling

No.

Time is a construct of Order. This has been stated many times.

[Lady Atia]

The Skybox. :/

Oh. I thought the skybox change was already known? My guess is the Jailer will use his chains to pull Oribos into the Maw, similiar to Korthia.

[Raetary]

Oh. I thought the skybox change was already known? My guess is the Jailer will use his chains to pull Oribos into the Maw, similiar to Korthia.

Other way around actually, he's expanding the Maw so it envelopes the city.

[hipolnalrt]

No.

Time is a construct of Order. This has been stated many times.

Well my argument was that Time existed before Order, and then got relegated to Order afterwards. And everything that occurs in the Warcraft universe is so set in stone, huh... but besides that, no to the whole thing? What about the Brokers' connection to the Infinite Dragonflight?

[TheFirstOnes]

What about it?

Smh

It's different.

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Well my argument was that Time existed before Order, and then got relegated to Order afterwards. And everything that occurs in the Warcraft universe is so set in stone, huh... but besides that, no to the whole thing? What about the Brokers' connection to the Infinite Dragonflight?

Brokers have connections to everything, and we don't know if Time is bound by anything. Death is not at all affected by Time, and the concept of Time holds no sway within the Emerald Dream. This logic applies to the Nether aswell, as the realm as well as the Demons transcend time also.

[hipolnalrt]

Brokers have connections to everything, and we don't know if Time is bound by anything. Death is not at all affected by Time, and the concept of Time holds no sway within the Emerald Dream. This logic applies to the Nether aswell, as the realm as well as the Demons transcend time also.

But time does seem to affect the Shadowlands. There are past events that have occurred in the Shadowlands. Sure Time as we understand it through the lens of Order may not affect the Shadowlands or the Emerald Dream, but Time exists inside of them.

[TheFirstOnes]

But time does seem to affect the Shadowlands. There are past events that have occurred in the Shadowlands. Sure Time as we understand it through the lens of Order may not affect the Shadowlands or the Emerald Dream, but Time exists inside of them.

It doesn't. Steve Danuser literally talks about it.

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Oh. I thought the skybox change was already known? My guess is the Jailer will use his chains to pull Oribos into the Maw, similiar to Korthia.

The Maw has grown so big, it expands around Oribos. Though...you may also not be wrong there, considering Torghast and Oribos are chained to each-other during the Sylvanas fight. A mix of both?

But that skybox change isn't known. It's far more red and chaotic.

[Kereberus]

I made the mistake of glancing at Bellular's channel today.

[Pebrocks The Warlock]

I made the mistake of glancing at Bellular's channel today.

You also made the mistake of posting about it here, thus advertising for a video/channel you regret watching.

[FlubberPuddy]

Question I feel is appropriate to ask here since I assume this speculator group of wonderful people try and find hints wherever. Is exploring the outdoor world zones fun? o_O

Like are there a good chunk of neat stuff to find (think that dreadlord journal or even something as funny as the swolekin gym area) and do you guys feel like these sorts of fun little things/hints have increased between the expansions?

[bagina]

Have you actually been to Korthia? Uninspired and boring. This shit is just an extension of the Maw with Ardenweald assets. It doesn't even deserve to be called a zone.

[TheFirstOnes]

Have you actually been to Korthia? Uninspired and boring. This shit is just an extension of the Maw with Ardenweald assets. It doesn't even deserve to be called a zone.

It isn’t even a zone. The Zone as a whole is the Maw.

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Also, I kinda like Korthia.

[Wolfrick]

It probably wouldnt be the exodar then. It would be a cool new city on Azuremyst replacing the Exodar using the WoD and Legion Draenei assets. Probably including the version of Karabor with an actual interior.

Blizzard would say it would be the Exodar that was destroyed when in fact it would be that new actually cool city.

That is acctualy a really cool idea, that after Legion... the Dreanai are setting down their roots on azeorth knowing that the Legion is done for... so now they can build stuff like they did in Dreanor...

So using the Looks of the Dreanor Draenai Temple in the SHadowmoon zone would be amazing for the revamp... and also add the Huge port insince that would make alot of sence because their capitol is on an Island ^^

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The fact that it's such a dumb choice is even more proof that Blizzard is biased, because they went as far as to write something so stupid just for the sake of giving Horde players YET ANOTHER CHOICE. Moral or not, IT IS A CHOICE THAT ALLOWS AGENCY.

Alliance players literally have no choice or agency in the Story. Even the dialogue in the Baine rescue scenario where you can either tell Jaina that you will cooperate with the greenskin or that you are watching them (cordial tone vs. cold-hearted tone) doesn't amount to anything.

And there was potential for choice in BfA. For example, why couldn't the Alliance in 8.2.5 get the chance of either helping Anduin siege Orgrimmar or helping Tyrande retake Darkshore (since she was retaking Darkshore while the battle of Orgrimmar was going on)? Why are Night elf players forced into helping a Human king instead of their own leader who is trying to reclaim their own home?

Because Blizzard is biased and doesn't care about the Alliance, that's why.

Well if you ask me this is gonna be the future... it seems like Blizzard is starting to udnerstand that they should show both sides of the story.... Horde and Alliance..

It seems that with Anduin going all kill crazy and beeing forced by the jailor to obey him... he will be incredible scarred... and have huge internal problems with what he has done...

and with him beeing so out of place... the alliance will have huge Drama quests lines inside its faction, I am more then sure that this is the future blizzard is working their way up to for the alliance...

I am really happy about this since both Factions should have focus...

Its kinda sad that in the past The Alliance has been put into a Spectator mode, when there could have been so much more drama and interesting story around the alliance..

The Future seems great and we are in for many cool and interesting future expansions...

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I mean honestly, there is a clear RP choice the player can make to truly be the uiltimate Sylvanas fan. Just walk up to Sylvanas, get killed, then delete your character. That is such a perfectly in-theme choice the character can make.

I mean honestly, who in their rational mind should choose to follow Sylvanas still that are not RPing complete idiots who are actually insane? Because Sylvanas is among the preeminent threats to all life, including themselves. Are we to assume whatever characters chooses to join Sylvanas are actually deluded enough to think they will be spared? Sylvanas' entire big speech is about killing everyone ever.

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It's interesting in that it is so clearly a choice no rational player should make, and yet players still choose to do so.
This isnt the kind of choice someone RPing as evil would do, this is the kind of RP choice someone playing an absolute moron would do.

Just to make things 100% clear I am not a Sylvanas supproter and I never wanted her as our Warchief

As a True Orc: (with an Orc Shaman character that has over 750 days played)I Love THE HORDE.... I would want to kick out all the undead from the horde... they have no place among our people... and if you ask me The undead should have their own 3rd faction (In Northrend)

As a Person from the real world: I have read into things and digged deep into what sylvanas did and why she did it, and if you are a supporter of her ideas... still being with her makes sense..

I Appreciate you as a person and from what I have read form your posts you seem like an awesome person, saying that people would be idiots since they are loyal to what they belive in... is kinda wrong if you ask me, but again, you can say and think what every you want ofc ^^
(If you read what I Wrote right under this... I am more then sure that you can understand why some people would stay loyal to her)

As an Undead: Every Undead character I have will follow Sylvanas to the end... she Buildt a safe place for every Undead on Azeroth... when everyone hated the undead... and would Kill the every undead the Living would see in sight there was no safe haven upon the entire Planate for Free thinking Undead... She build a Kingdome and a safe place for every Undead out there... for this... most Undead will have incredible Loyalty to her and in what she stands for...

PS: I have many intelligent friends that still support her... not because she is a woman or because she looks good (since some people think that is the only reason people are with her) and they are not idiots... they have just a different kind of view points on what she did and why she did it.

PPS: The biggest issue is Blizzard.... really did it bad on how to show us "The Players".... why she did what she did... since if you are a player who dont dig into the Lore and just follow some of the game play and look at the cinematics... it looks and feels like she is Crazy...

[Dracullus]

I wonder if Oribos will have some pernament changes after raid. I mean something bigger than just different skybox.