Dragonflight Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[deviantcultist]

It bothers me that people want, yet again, more melee dps/tank classes. Literally every single new class we got (DK/Monk/DH) had a melee dps/tank spec. How about a ranged dps ONLY class or a ranged dps and healer ONLY class.

You have a point. Dragon Knight/Dragoon as a concept implies a draconic version of Paladin in a sense, maybe with mail armor. No newly added class has ever been ranged and Bows are underused enough as is.

Hope for a Ranger-like class still alive?

[Merryck]

Class Skins > New Class.

[AOL Instant Messenger]

I'm sorry, you're right. Maiev merely attempted genocide buy trying to assassinate the entire Darnassian ruling order, including Tyrande & Malfurion themselves, while working for a different genocidal maniac. Not comparable at all. It totally makes sense that they're best friends now. /s

Coup = Genocide, as we all know. Strong moral comparisons today.

[Chickat]

His team is developing some sort of gameplay system that isn't in the game or has only been barely explored in the game. It could literally be any form of gameplay that WoW doesn't already have.

Is that the same job posting for the prof revamp?

If not experimental gameplay with ui could be housing.

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For me the biggest insult is that we have to wait around 1 Year with no new Content thats not customer friendly.

You new here?

[Graden]

Assuming Dragonflight releases in 2023, it will mean WoW has gone 7 years without a new class.

Seven years?
Holy shit, time flies. I feel like Legion was two years ago.

[pacotaco]

All the talk about the various dragon flight groups (Red, Black, Green, Blue Bronze) could Twilight be added to non-antagonistic to the player based off the uncorrupted mount Wrathion saved from Nyalotha?

I've said from the begining that if we ever get playable dragons as a class, the most probable flight we get is that, because you can justify having a wide array of diversity in powers (they are a mix of black, red, blue and nether dragons if I recall correctly) without the problem to explain how suddenly a (e.g.) blue dragon is using molten rock in their attacks.

[AOL Instant Messenger]

This is why a lot of Shadowlands bothers me. There's a lot of casual "well this soul is gone forever now" that no one seems to really treat with any weight. The fact that it's even possible to begin with is a huge existential issue for me about the Warcraft universe now, but the casual way in which it's treated just makes it worse. At best it's treated like death was before the Shadowlands, but that just highlights how strange the Shadowlands is as an afterlife to begin with.

I always found the Shadowlands awkward as an afterlife for that reason—it feels more like a second go rather than a real afterlife because you can just die a second time. It seems very strange how gung-ho the entirety of Azeroth is with the idea that some people can just abruptly cease to be as conscious entities. I especially find it awkward how – as you mentioned – Sylvanas' crimes are limited to functionally just killing people as opposed to the arguably vastly more evil activity of subsequently tossing their souls into super-hell to be disenchanted into non-sapient soul juice.

I figure that the destruction of consciousness warrants far more than the Night Elf genocide. It's far more evil in my mind and something which I think Sylvanas is far more accountable for. It also drives her actions from "possibly understandable in the face of a cosmic scale" to "arguably just as bad as the Jailer".

In general, I actually don't really see why Sylvanas is meant to come off as the lesser of two evils next to the Jailer—if anything, she's the one who decided to do this out of a nihilistic temper tantrum, which puts her on a pretty equal scale to the Jailer in terms of evil intent.

[Chickat]

frogduck.m2 was actually a 10.0 model shipped early but nobody noticed

Oh is it actually in game anywhere ATM?

[AOL Instant Messenger]

Seven years?
Holy shit, time flies. I feel like Legion was two years ago.

I am nineteen years old and feel seventy hearing this.

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Oh is it actually in game anywhere ATM?

Sounds like a Zereth Mortis thing.

[deviantcultist]

Class Skins > New Class.

Class skins are actually harder to implement if they are supposed to be thorough about it. By thorough, I mean changing every single visual to reflect on the skin rather than the base class. Add that to the fact that they will have to release multiple skins, I'm pretty sure they consider a single new class to be less work overall.

Sure, having to balance the gameplay aspect is considerable work, but you need to consider that it will be a one-off. In the case of class skins, they will open a can of worms where every single class variant will be put on request for future class skin additions. Can imagine they already thought about this in advance.

The alternative to that would be to simply add class customizations, however, that may not satisfy the equivalent of a "new class". If they are aiming to make a strong case like Legion, they will have to add a new class on top of other exciting new features.

[AOL Instant Messenger]

Honestly the two best options for a new nelf capital is hyjal, or growing a new tree on or near gilneas.

If they ARE revamping Lordaeron, the latter would be a good place for it and solidify the friendship between the two.

That would be a nice way for the Gilneans to repay the Night Elves for letting them squat in their tree for so long.

[Civciv]

What if they bring new specs instead of a new class, would you guys be disappointed?

[pacotaco]

That mount was Void, not Twilight.

Void-warped Twilight dragons.

[Vakir]

https://twitter.com/Marlamin/status/1278404185222983685

This, @Marlamin?

I think this isn't in-game anywhere. I'd totally imagine this in an Emerald dragon zone.

[AOL Instant Messenger]

I've said from the begining that if we ever get playable dragons as a class, the most probable flight we get is that, because you can justify having a wide array of diversity in powers (they are a mix of black, red, blue and nether dragons if I recall correctly) without the problem to explain how suddenly a (e.g.) blue dragon is using molten rock in their attacks.

I honestly think that Black Dragons are the best lorewise, and I've given my reasons for that a few times before—I could see them carrying a ranged DPS, melee DPS and tank specialization easy. One spell I'd like them to have is Endless Hunger—a specialization themed around "Deception" would be pretty cool, and I think that's frankly a very good name for a specialization.

[Chickat]

The only argument I have against not increasing the level cap is...man, we really need another talent row. Unless they put that behind some arbitrary main quest gate after you've completed all the zones, which would feel deeply unnatural.

The problem is also that some people choose to level in their own ways (i.e. some people like to run more dungeons with friends even if it isn't as efficient) and I'm not sure how that would fit into the idea of not getting concrete progress through that.

Tbh I think it's time to revamp the talent system again in some way. Doesn't have to be as major but there could be a talent every level or two for some minor perks. And yes another row would be great.

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I am nineteen years old and feel seventy hearing this.

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Sounds like a Zereth Mortis thing.

Probably but I don't recall seeing one.

[Local Ardenweald Faerie]

What if they bring new specs instead of a new class, would you guys be disappointed?

They would have to be really, really good specs that really change how they play.

Spell Knight for Warriors pls.

[pacotaco]

https://twitter.com/Marlamin/status/1278404185222983685

This, @Marlamin?

I think this isn't in-game anywhere. I'd totally imagine this in an Emerald dragon zone.

Yeah, not in-game that we know of.
I also expect living creatures from the prototypes in ZM (wombats & axolotls). I really think they added them as a foreshadow for when we find them in the living world.

[huth]

https://twitter.com/Marlamin/status/1278404185222983685

This, @Marlamin?

I think this isn't in-game anywhere. I'd totally imagine this in an Emerald dragon zone.

That expression.

[Local Ardenweald Faerie]

Do you think we'll hit page 2000 before the end of the night? (in the American east coast anyway)