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    Quote Originally Posted by Aenigma84 View Post
    People talking about levels or no level increase may forget one thing
    the obvious choise blizzard should go for is to put everybody back at 50 & let you level to 60 again
    that way new players/alts can pick shadowlands to level like you can do with all the other expansions now
    Id rather they just keep bumping the levels again. They can squish for 14.0 when we are level 100.

  2. #38722
    Quote Originally Posted by Chickat View Post
    Id rather they just keep bumping the levels again. They can squish for 14.0 when we are level 100.
    Yeah, I agree. I'm not against squish sometimes, but doing it on every expansion is getting ridiculous.

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    tbh: who the f… cares about leveling? not in the sense of leveling per se. more in the sense of all that stupid leveling vs noleveling shit here. we talk here about 10 hours of a 2+ years lasting xpac. with or without 10 hours does NOT matter at all! who cares? wow should care about maaaaaany other corners, but for sure not, what the first 10 hours of a xpac are about.

    and for alts: who gives a f….? i have 11 alts and they were leveled all from 50-60 over the last 1,5 years. cant even remember it. ofc, i would have no problem to not do the same shit on 11 toons again. but even 120 hours over an xpacs lifespan is not that much, to really care about.

    so i dont really get why ppl even talk that long about such a tiny, useless shit, while wow have WAY bigger problems…
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jokubas View Post
    I am crossing my fingers so hard that they let it stay destroyed.

    I'm really curious as to what the thought process behind Teldrassil/Darnassus was from a development point of view, because it's always been super weird lore-wise. Before World of Warcraft, the night elves were implied to live around Hyjal and I think one source even cited Moonglade as their capital? Growing another World Tree overnight is already a little weird when Nordrassil was supposed to be healing and shouldn't take any less time to return to normal than a whole new tree, but uprooting their entire civilization and moving it off the mainland to this new place is just really, really strange, and that's not even getting into the ambiguity of the night elf language being called Darnassian (sure, realistically a shared root is more than possible, but in a meta sense it feels like it was designed by someone who just assumed their massive capital tree was ancient and not no more than four years old).

    I would much prefer the night elves have a proper mainland capital, and then maybe the ashes of Teldrassil can be visited in a new Kalidar zone. If they can ever match the concept art of Teldrassil in game, just do it on Nordrassil.
    Moonglade was one of the RPG books, yes. And yes, there is definitely a disconnect with Darn existing. It's treated very often as this thing that's super old and not a few decades.

    Again from the RPG it was half-way explained as the Night Elves not being really ready to rejoin the world, so they went to Teldrassil to still be away from everyone else.

  5. #38725
    Quote Originally Posted by Palapop View Post
    I have 1 super juicy possible "hint/find". Gonna link it once I'm done in this M+.

    Found it in game/addon files. Just cba to upload/edit photo now.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ferlion View Post
    interdasting


    Quote Originally Posted by enak101 View Post
    Well that was a lie.


    Ok, so... Sorry for late respond. That 1 m+ turned into 1 more... and then into "just 1 more for weekly".... Then shower... etc, etc...

    So... I was scrolling through something on my Altoholic addon, and accidentally came across this:




    Why would altoholic addon just randomly suggest new leveling zone for my, already 60 toon to be Deathknell (currently starting zone for Undead characters in Tirisfal).

    And apparently, we have new Tirisfal skybox on 9.2.5 PTR + new Undercity map + new Callia model encrypted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Palapop View Post
    Ok, so... Sorry for late respond. That 1 m+ turned into 1 more... and then into "just 1 more for weekly".... Then shower... etc, etc...

    So... I was scrolling through something on my Altoholic addon, and accidentally came across this:


    Why would altoholic addon just randomly suggest new leveling zone for my, already 60 toon to be Deathknell (currently starting zone for Undead characters in Tirisfal).

    And apparently, we have new Tirisfal skybox on 9.2.5 PTR + new Undercity map + new Callia model encrypted.
    The new skybox is in Hillsbrad, the new Tirisfal map is just for a rebuilt Brill, and yeah, there's a new Calia model.

    More importantly, you're using an addon, in 9.2, with no new data related to 9.2.5 or 10.0 added. It's probably just a glitch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Local Ardenweald Faerie View Post
    The new skybox is in Hillsbrad, the new Tirisfal map is just for a rebuilt Brill, and yeah, there's a new Calia model.

    More importantly, you're using an addon, in 9.2, with no new data related to 9.2.5 or 10.0 added. It's probably just a glitch.

    Glitch that would randomly suggest new leveling zone? Highly speculated already.

    Theres also new Undercity map.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Palapop View Post
    Glitch that would randomly suggest new leveling zone? Highly speculated already.

    Theres also new Undercity map.
    How do you think addons work?

    Your addon broke and failed to recognize you're max level so it tried to suggest a leveling zone starting with the default first one, in this case, the Undead level 1 area, because it couldn't find an actual level range for you to be put in.

  9. #38729
    Quote Originally Posted by Hitei View Post
    How do you think addons work?

    Your addon broke and failed to recognize you're max level so it tried to suggest a leveling zone starting with the default first one, in this case, the Undead level 1 area, because it couldn't find an actual level range for you to be put in.

    Hidden somewhere within game files, doh?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Palapop View Post
    Hidden somewhere within game files, doh?
    There's nothing hidden? Deathknell has been the undead starting area since 2004.

  11. #38731
    Quote Originally Posted by Niwes View Post
    tbh: who the f… cares about leveling? not in the sense of leveling per se. more in the sense of all that stupid leveling vs noleveling shit here. we talk here about 10 hours of a 2+ years lasting xpac. with or without 10 hours does NOT matter at all! who cares? wow should care about maaaaaany other corners, but for sure not, what the first 10 hours of a xpac are about.

    and for alts: who gives a f….? i have 11 alts and they were leveled all from 50-60 over the last 1,5 years. cant even remember it. ofc, i would have no problem to not do the same shit on 11 toons again. but even 120 hours over an xpacs lifespan is not that much, to really care about.

    so i dont really get why ppl even talk that long about such a tiny, useless shit, while wow have WAY bigger problems…
    While I agree that overall the contribution of leveling to endgame is miniscule if you look at the expansion as a whole, there is ceraintly a not insignificant portion of the playerbase that very much cares about it and bases a $40-$70 purchase on it. A massive amount of resources are also used for the leveling content each expansion, even though they have become "better" at reusing parts of it for endgame systems (dungeons, quests becoming wold quests, reoptainable treasures etc.).

    Even then, there are massive parts, especially when it comes to story and discovery, that are burned through just to get to endgame. So a discussion is warranted if the current implementation is actually a good use of those afore mentioned resources, especially from a developer's point of view, which in turn is what we use to extrapolate what Blizzard might do in the future and estimate the veracity of "leaks".
    You are welcome, Metzen. I hope you won't fuck up my underground expansion idea.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hitei View Post
    There's nothing hidden? Deathknell has been the undead starting area since 2004.
    The new zones/lvl scales/stuff...

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    So I just downloaded Altoholic, loaded up a few alts, flipped through my UI and what not...

    There doesn't even appear to be a 'suggested leveling zone' in any part of the addon, on max level characters or characters below it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Palapop View Post
    The new zones/lvl scales/stuff...
    Which would be hidden from your addon as well.

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    I would be very much surprised if the game had a data model that allowed for addons to browse intended level ranges. I'm not even sure if displaying those was ever part of the base game or only ever an addon added features, which in turn would suggest that the underlying table was part of the addons as well. Certainly now it would be obsolete with scaling of zones to player level.
    You are welcome, Metzen. I hope you won't fuck up my underground expansion idea.

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    It is interesting that the add-on pointed to an area that is being heavily speculated on and it's sending a human paladin there. It's probably nothing but it is interesting to say the least.

  17. #38737
    Quote Originally Posted by Local Ardenweald Faerie View Post
    Very true, but given that the epilogue content so far seems to be centered in the Old World, I doubt that we're going to the Maw just to check up on Anduin and Sylvanas. The Judgement cutscene wrapped up that plotline pretty satisfyingly if you ask me.

    Secondly, if we were to see them in the Maw, wouldn't there be a new Sylvanas model too? Even if it was the same model, just with conversation animations, you'd think the two would be paired, no?
    That's true.

    Flashback Anduin model? Anduin in a cool cloak showing him entering to help Sylvanas to explain to non book owners? Idk

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    Wait, its serious that Anduin went with Sylvanus to the Maw?

    Tell me its an elaborated joke

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    Quote Originally Posted by Syegfryed View Post
    Wait, its serious that Anduin went with Sylvanus to the Maw?

    Tell me its an elaborated joke
    It's almost a certainty. They describe the clanging of armor that she hears suddenly and it echoes an earlier chapter that describes his plate in that way. And it's not gonna be Nathanos (not the least of which because he wears leather) because it's described as unexpected, but that immediately follows her explicitly stating that she WILL find him, which would make it...expected. She even reflects on his bullshit about the light of hope just following the reveal of the mysterious figure.

    Anduin showed up to help Sylvanas. Really. And while it's great that he fucks off for a bit, the biggest problem with that is it means they'll be done sooner.

    The only other thing I can imagine is...Arthas, but they pretty explicitly never sundered his soul, or the meme'd Garithos joke. But it's gotta be Anduin unless Golden is so incompetent to have her go "man, I'm gonna find my love---OH HEY THERE HE IS."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vakir View Post
    It's almost a certainty. They describe the clanging of armor that she hears suddenly and it echoes an earlier chapter that describes his plate in that way. And it's not gonna be Nathanos (not the least of which because he wears leather) because it's described as unexpected, but that immediately follows her explicitly stating that she WILL find him, which would make it...expected. She even reflects on his bullshit about the light of hope just following the reveal of the mysterious figure.

    Anduin showed up to help Sylvanas. Really. And while it's great that he fucks off for a bit, the biggest problem with that is it means they'll be done sooner.

    The only other thing I can imagine is...Arthas, but they pretty explicitly never sundered his soul, or the meme'd Garithos joke. But it's gotta be Anduin unless Golden is so incompetent to go "man, I'm gonna find my love---OH HEY THERE HE IS."
    I'm not so sure he's staying down there until she's finished, but honestly, it's kind of a fitting temporary end to their story together. And maybe he will stay until they're finished, and it will be sooner than expected.

    I was hoping for at least two expansions without Anduin. But how can Anduin leave his entire kingdom in someone elses hands and just..expect it back when he returns? Very much a garrosh blaming thrall for leaving him his mess type situation.

    I also don't think turalyon will make any bad decisions this xpac, but if the xpac following this one is light vs. void, then maybe. But then again, the turalyon alleria combo makes me think light vs. void wouldn't quite happen as we anticipate if ever. It may just be light ie: yrel invading, and the void not being involved.

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