Dragonflight Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[therumblings]

I'm hoping we get a real leak describing the expansion features this time. I don't think Shadowlands had any details leak other than the Bolvar and Bastion images, so I guess we have to wait and see. Though I'm expecting a bunch of fakes since we know the name this far out.

[Fartlas]

I think we could easily talk more about the specifics of how a Dragon class could be implemented. How many specs, should it be a spec per color or a spec per role and multiple colors having access, how should it look (should it have a caster form looking like the other races like Alex with the Spear on the promo art? a hybrid form? a Draconid form so it can show the gear since Whelp/Drake seems more like a mount form?)

Why make Dragon's a class instead of a race though, there's a lot of customization that can be done with them if done right after all

[Wangming]

I think we are more in the "Could Shadowlands have been at least marginally better within the constraints given" discussion

Oh it could have been better if it weren't for the whole "as much content as WoD but with more wait for it" fiasco. But the reasons for that go back to the establishment of Blizzard and the work culture that resulted in the lawsuit. Yes, covid was part of it, but looking at Square Enix, covid was likely not as big part of it. But between all the layoffs, the walkouts and the general lack of motivation it just boiled over. The way Blizzard operated was not sustainable and it took this long to turn it into a shitshow. It was inevitable. Now if this happened during BfA, Blizzard might not have survived it. Now with 10.0 they can show if they can learn from their mistakes. It will bne interesting.

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I'm hoping we get a real leak describing the expansion features this time. I don't think Shadowlands had any details leak other than the Bolvar and Bastion images, so I guess we have to wait and see. Though I'm expecting a bunch of fakes since we know the name this far out.

Like the story leak with Jim?

[therumblings]

I think we could easily talk more about the specifics of how a Dragon class could be implemented. How many specs, should it be a spec per color or a spec per role and multiple colors having access, how should it look (should it have a caster form looking like the other races like Alex with the Spear on the promo art? a hybrid form? a Draconid form so it can show the gear since Whelp/Drake seems more like a mount form?)

Personally I'm not expecting Alexstasza's appearance to play much into the details of what a dragon class would look or play like, I think the spear is just her new weapon like how Bolvar got a new hammer for SL. I don't even think a dragon class would have any weapon usage other than mage style stat sticks.

[Nymrohd]

Why make Dragon's a class instead of a race though, there's a lot of customization that can be done with them if done right after all

Honestly I don't see a race giving you the opportunity to really live the fantasy of being a dragon. Races only really have one active ability after all. How do you get the breath weapon and the tail sweeps and the wing buffets and the claw and bite attacks? It could I guess be done if class skins also happen.

[Blayze]

I think we could easily talk more about the specifics of how a Dragon class could be implemented.

I'm expecting it to be a Chromatic drakonid, and for the race and class to be locked to each other, with the faction choice purely for gameplay purposes like Battlegrounds (Or a dragon and the race choice is simply the body illusion).

That way the tank spec can be inspired by the Black flight, a ranged DPS spec can be Blue and Bronze, and a healer spec can be Red and Green.

Alternatively, the tank can be Bronze and then a melee spec can be Black.

I wouldn't expect much representation from the "special" flights, except for perhaps some talent or appearance customisation choices.

[Nymrohd]

Personally I'm not expecting Alexstasza's appearance to play much into the details of what a dragon class would look or play like, I think the spear is just her new weapon like how Bolvar got a new hammer for SL. I don't even think a dragon class would have any weapon usage other than mage style stat sticks.

It could have a ranged spec that works in caster (humanoid) form. Many dragons have disguised themselves as mages and it could also work for healing.

[Fartlas]

Honestly I don't see a race giving you the opportunity to really live the fantasy of being a dragon. Races only really have one active ability after all. How do you get the breath weapon and the tail sweeps and the wing buffets and the claw and bite attacks? It could I guess be done if class skins also happen.

You can literally do what every tabletop does, make those the basics of the Dragon form, which can be the one racial you have. It's not the first time it happened either. Worgen have a human and a Worgen form but you don't see them having the ability to claw or bite or take a piss somewhere to mark their territory.

[Wangming]

Honestly I don't see a race giving you the opportunity to really live the fantasy of being a dragon. Races only really have one active ability after all. How do you get the breath weapon and the tail sweeps and the wing buffets and the claw and bite attacks? It could I guess be done if class skins also happen.

A class wouldn't let you live out the fantasy either as balance dictates that you can't be much stronger than a rogue, a guy with two kitchen knives. Or a bare handed fat panda. To truly live yout how much of a death machine a dragon can be, you would need a Devil May Cry esque single player game.

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You can literally do what every tabletop does, make those the basics of the Dragon form, which can be the one racial you have. It's not the first time it happened either. Worgen have a human and a Worgen form but you don't see them having the ability to claw or bite or take a piss somewhere to mark their territory.

Which is a huge missed opportunity by the way.

[Fartlas]

Which is a huge missed opportunity by the way.

Yup, I agree.

[therumblings]

take a piss somewhere to mark their territory.

Well now we know how player housing works for Worgen players!

[Wangming]

Well now we know how player housing works for Worgen players!

Blizzard! Make this happen!

[Nymrohd]

I'm expecting it to be a Chromatic drakonid, and for the race and class to be locked to each other, with the faction choice purely for gameplay purposes like Battlegrounds (Or a dragon and the race choice is simply the body illusion).

That way the tank spec can be inspired by the Black flight, a ranged DPS spec can be Blue and Bronze, and a healer spec can be Red and Green.

Alternatively, the tank can be Bronze and then a melee spec can be Black.

I wouldn't expect much representation from the "special" flights, except for perhaps some talent or appearance customisation choices.

If it's a race/class locked, I'd rather it be an actual dragon. A draconid would work as a normal race.

I think healer would actually make more sense as Red and Bronze to me finally giving us the chronomancer healer. When in red form you'd focus on AoE and throughput while in Bronze form you'd be mostly absorbs

[therumblings]

Blizzard! Make this happen!

Well now Blizz has no choice but to add player housing, or else this wonderful idea would never come to fruition.

[Nymrohd]

You can literally do what every tabletop does, make those the basics of the Dragon form, which can be the one racial you have. It's not the first time it happened either. Worgen have a human and a Worgen form but you don't see them having the ability to claw or bite or take a piss somewhere to mark their territory.

Worgen absolutely should get a unique class skin for fury warrior that just lets them do all the warrior does but with claws and fangs.

[therumblings]

Worgen absolutely should get a unique class skin for fury warrior that just lets them do all the warrior does but with claws and fangs.

They can sort of do this with some fist weapons but I agree, being able to use your claws as a Worgen should have been a thing over a decade ago.

[Wangming]

Worgen absolutely should get a unique class skin for fury warrior that just lets them do all the warrior does but with claws and fangs.

A skin that turn fury warriors into furry warriors

Jokes aside, monks fight with their hands. Monk animations already exist for worgen. It is such a no brainer to let them be monks.

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Well now Blizz has no choice but to add player housing, or else this wonderful idea would never come to fruition.

Clearly. There is no other choice.

[Nymrohd]

A skin that turn fury warriors into furry warriors

Jokes aside, monks fight with their hands. Monk animations already exist for worgen. It is such a no brainer to let them be monks.

I just don't see monks as fighting with fury of the beast. I get that the animations fit but the theme, not so much. Though maybe a spec skin for Windwalker that makes them chosen of Goldrinn.

[Blayze]

I think healer would actually make more sense as Red and Bronze to me finally giving us the chronomancer healer. When in red form you'd focus on AoE and throughput while in Bronze form you'd be mostly absorbs

Two reasons for Red and Green in my eyes; the first is the thematic Life link between the two, especially with the sister bond between Alexstrasza and Ysera, and the second is the Reds' fire would help set the healer spec apart from Resto Druid.

[Raetary]

Well now we know how player housing works for Worgen players!

Just think of all the warcraft omegaverse fanfics that woulc create!