Dragonflight Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[Houle]

Yo, careful! Else you will summon Voidboi back to this thread.

What?? You dont want every thread connected to the sheer AWESOMENESS that is Alleria and the void elves, "the first to defy the shadows whispers"?
Weirdo ;D

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Gotta be honest, was a pretty boring thread so far, compared to the ones from the last xpacs.
But then again, the last 2 years overall were somewhat...different (and for blizzard especially lol)

[Raetary]

Anachronos helped the horde recruit the Mag'har, so he's not entirely forgotten.

Soridormi however, she might as well not exist.
Even her bit about keeping the Vials of Eternity went down the drain with Azerite popping up everywhere.

[pacotaco]

Chromatus, ehh, doubt it. I have a feeling Blizzard doesn't even remember he exists.

Murozond was already dealt with so him appearing now makes no sense.

Galakrond is the most likely imo, but I wonder if he's thematically a bit too closely tied to Death, given that we're just wrapping up an expansion with the same theme.

- Chromatus: I think it more like they don't what it to appear as that because it would look weird as fuck. The 5 head thing works on 2D but on 3D would look terrible, and animating that would be hell
- Murozond: we still have to see him for the first time.
- Galakrond: the problem is that he's death from thousand of years and he's like 20 times or so the size of Deathwing (he's so massive that he can't even fly)

[Khaza-R]

That's a Hearthstone thing, which the mainline WoW devs try to keep a step separated from Hearthstone besides minor cameos (for better or for worse because they've had some fun ideas and given us some unique art that'd be sick in WoW like the female Dragonkin, ethereals and redone Wolvar)

That's a hearthstone mechanic, not anything actually established.

I thought that's how the got his necromantic powers though in WoW lore? He consumed enough of his dead kin and eventually gave him the power to raise the undead.

[Santandame]

True that. Also Nozdormu needs to finally go, so that Chromie can step up.

No thanks to Chromie.

[Nymrohd]

- Chromatus: I think it more like they don't what it to appear as that because it would look weird as fuck. The 5 head thing works on 2D but on 3D would look terrible, and animating that would be hell
- Murozond: we still have to see him for the first time.
- Galakrond: the problem is that he's death from thousand of years and he's like 20 times or so the size of Deathwing (he's so massive that he can't even fly)

Yeah I have no idea how they'd manage to animate Chromatus. I am sure e.g. Megaera was not meant to look like some heads coming out of the mist but good luck finding a way to animate a lernean hydra.

[pacotaco]

Nozdormu turned Murozond because the Titans showed him his death which freaked him out, and then the Old Gods (probably N'zoth) manipulated him into turning. That Murozond then started fucking with the timeways.

Our Nozdormu will not turn because the main reason (i.e. the Old Gods) are dead, and the other Murozond we killed.


Honestly, the entire Nozdormu plotline is stupid as fuck, and I hope they do not explore it. It's just a minefield of terrible writing and cliches.

But the future that leads Nordormu to change the Timeline is the current path. When we kill him as Murozond, he'ss just trying to fix an alternate future in the Timeline, but we stopped him, so that future is going to happen.

[Makorus]

But the future that leads Nordormu to change the Timeline is the current path. When we kill him as Murozond, he'ss just trying to fix an alternate future in the Timeline, but we stopped him, so that future is going to happen.

Except the only reason Murozond was created to begin was to stop Thrall from reaching the Wyrmrest Temple.

He is the result of Old God manipulation, not some natural thing.

[TheAceofHearth]

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[Arcinatoss]

man this last week is gonna be brutal

[pacotaco]

Except the only reason Murozond was created to begin was to stop Thrall from reaching the Wyrmrest Temple.

He is the result of Old God manipulation, not some natural thing.

We have 0 info about how or why Nordomu transforms into Murozond, save for the bit about he wants to change the future.
I still have to see how people reached to the conclusion that Old Gods created the Infinite. Why? Because Murozond tried to make the Hour of Twilight success?
Well, he also tried to:
- Stop the opening of the Dark Portal
- Stop Thrall from becoming the orcs leader and free them
- Kill Arthas before he went to Northrend
- They free Garrosh so he can invade Azeroth from past Draenor

[Makorus]

We have 0 info about how or why Nordomu transforms into Murozond, save for the bit about he wants to change the future.
I still have to see how people reached to the conclusion that Old Gods created the Infinite. Why? Because Murozond tried to make the Hour of Twilight success?
Well, he also tried to:
- Stop the opening of the Dark Portal
- Stop Thrall from becoming the orcs leader and free them
- Kill Arthas before he went to Northrend
- They free Garrosh so he can invade Azeroth from past Draenor

uhhhh, literally the adventure guide?

Now living outside of time, Murozond was once the great Dragon Aspect Nozdormu the Timeless One. After the titans showed him his own death, the tormented Nozdormu was tricked by the Old Gods into trying to subvert his mortality. As a result, Nozdormu shattered the timeways and created the infinite dragonflight... jeopardizing the very future of Azeroth.

[Houle]

We have 0 info about how or why Nordomu transforms into Murozond, save for the bit about he wants to change the future.
I still have to see how people reached to the conclusion that Old Gods created the Infinite. Why? Because Murozond tried to make the Hour of Twilight success?
Well, he also tried to:
- Stop the opening of the Dark Portal
- Stop Thrall from becoming the orcs leader and free them
- Kill Arthas before he went to Northrend
- They free Garrosh so he can invade Azeroth from past Draenor

Its literally said in the ingame adventure guide for his fight:

Now living outside of time, Murozond was once the great Dragon Aspect Nozdormu the Timeless One. After the titans showed him his own death, the tormented Nozdormu was tricked by the Old Gods into trying to subvert his mortality. As a result, Nozdormu shattered the timeways and created the infinite dragonflight... jeopardizing the very future of Azeroth.

[huth]

Its literally said in the ingame adventure guide for his fight:

That trick doesn't require the Old Gods to still be alive, though. They could have planted the seed of doubt in his mind to blossom years later. Besides, Xal'atath and their cultists still live.

[uikolertekopoku]

Now living outside of time, Murozond was once the great Dragon Aspect Nozdormu the Timeless One. After the titans showed him his own death, the tormented Nozdormu was tricked by the Old Gods into trying to subvert his mortality. As a result, Nozdormu shattered the timeways and created the infinite dragonflight... jeopardizing the very future of Azeroth.

They can change and retcon that when they want.
How often it happened before?

And they wil if they want.

[Makorus]

Now living outside of time, Murozond was once the great Dragon Aspect Nozdormu the Timeless One. After the titans showed him his own death, the tormented Nozdormu was tricked by the Old Gods into trying to subvert his mortality. As a result, Nozdormu shattered the timeways and created the infinite dragonflight... jeopardizing the very future of Azeroth.

They can change and retcon that when they want.
How often it happened before?

And they wil if they want.

Of course, they can change anything.

But they are better off ignoring that plot thread entirely, because it's just bad.

[Varodoc]

Because fan bias.. basically most of the horde fanbase care about blood elves, so like to pretend void elves and high elves don't exist and in their faction bias, miss their intrinsic value to their part of the story. THe alliance fanbase is much smaller and a bit all of the place, maybe void elves being too new for most ot he newr fans to think of them faction minded?

Indeed, the Horde fanbase, and in particular the Blood elf fanbase, hate Alleria Windrunner because she chose Family over Country and because she endangered the Sunwell (while ignoring how, for example, Warchief Sylvanas had blackmailed the Blood elves during the campaign in Northrend and completely ignored their pleas).

I think the problem with the Void elves is that they might be too "complex" of a race.

Think about it, humans, dwarves, night elves, gnomes, they are all pretty generic and bland fantasy stereotypical races.

But Void elves? They are unprecedented, no other franchise has this kind of race. And so, as with all unprecedented things, it might be that most people simply do not understand the complexity of the Void elves, who are NOT just "Dark elves", since they are not evil and sadistic.

It might be that they are too "ambitious" conceptually, so to say, but I am sure that once they get the spotlight, people will finally realize what gem of a race they have been ignoring for years.

People, after all, gravitate towards what they understand; but if something is too complex or "elusive", how can you expect people to care? That's fine though, as I said the Ren'dorei will play a major role in 10.0 so people will be made to care.

[Deventh]

Apparently Galakrond's bones are missing from Dragonblight in 9.2.5 is this true? If true he is confirmed to be a boss in the next expansion.

[Vakir]

Apparently Galakrond's bones are missing from Dragonblight in 9.2.5 is this true? If true he is confirmed to be a boss in the next expansion.

It's worth noting that they've updated the map in the past to nothing just before SL as well.

Obviously it's far more likely to actually be a thing in a dragon themed expansion.

[8bithamster]

Apparently Galakrond's bones are missing from Dragonblight in 9.2.5 is this true? If true he is confirmed to be a boss in the next expansion.

Jep. The bones got replaced with denathrius daily quest hub. Also kael Thas is there just because he can.