Dragonflight Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[Dracullus]

Any fresh ideas what pre-order bonus could be? So far I saw only theory about Dark Rangers and encrypted Tirisfal content (and since DR is not connected to dragons, my own bias tell me it must be sign of class skins coming). But I'm open to different suggestions.

[Nymrohd]

Any fresh ideas what pre-order bonus could be? So far I saw only theory about Dark Rangers and encrypted Tirisfal content (and since DR is not connected to dragons, my own bias tell me it must be sign of class skins coming). But I'm open to different suggestions.

If they do add a new class and the plot allows it, I'd love early access. I still have no idea why they did not give early access to Monks and Pandaren.

[Berkilak]

How is the hype train looking, Arafal?

[Raetary]

How is the hype train looking, Arafal?

Not changed since we got the name leaked.

[huth]

Not changed since we got the name leaked.
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Starting to get a little hard to fit more stuff in without obscuring others.

[Sondrelk]

Not changed since we got the name leaked.
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Feels like what that image needs is the Dragonflight logo throwing all the other title and logo leaks into the bin.

[huth]

Which means neutrality

You can't have much order or disorder, otherwise you end up lawful or chaotic.


void ultimate goal is to turn everything to void, its their "law", their basis they have ways to archieve their goal, seems lawful to me, akin to the devils in D&D who also redesign creation.



Like i said, im taking account more D&D style of alignment to base the different forces, i don't see light and void as ultimate opposites like fel and arcane, but more two faces of the same coin.

You're failing hard at following the D&D definitions. By those, Order and Death are lawful because they expect or want everybody to follow the same set of pre-established rules(i.e. laws). Void is chaotic because everybody follows their own goals and there are no real rules as to what you may or may not do. Goals aren't laws.

You keep confusing lawful for neutral. Neutral means you don't take a meaningful stance either way. Not that everything is ordered, which would be a lawful position.

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Feels like what that image needs is the Dragonflight logo throwing all the other title and logo leaks into the bin.

Maybe more looming in the background, threatening to consume all.

[Wangming]

Feels like what that image needs is the Dragonflight logo throwing all the other title and logo leaks into the bin.

What we need is a Taylor Swift song that fits the Dragonflight theme.

[Raetary]

Feels like what that image needs is the Dragonflight logo throwing all the other title and logo leaks into the bin.

Great idea.

edit: nvm, found it.

[Shadochi]

What dragonflight would Taylor be part of? Now I want photoshops of her dragon form for my new avatar

[Syegfryed]

You're failing hard at following the D&D definitions. By those, Order and Death are lawful because they expect or want everybody to follow the same set of pre-established rules(i.e. laws). Void is chaotic because everybody follows their own goals and there are no real rules as to what you may or may not do. Goals aren't laws.

You keep confusing lawful for neutral. Neutral means you don't take a meaningful stance either way. Not that everything is ordered, which would be a lawful position.

Like i said, im not trying to pass my own view as canon, is just what i see, order is a concept of neutrality, neither too chaotic neither too lawful.

where did you get that with void "everybody follow their own goals"? they explicitly have a common goal to turn everything into void.

[Berkilak]

What dragonflight would Taylor be part of? Now I want photoshops of her dragon form for my new avatar

I know nothing of Taylor Swift, but going by your avatar, I get blue dragonflight vibes from her. Winter is definitely her fashion season, and the blues best exemplify those stark and cold colours.

[Raetary]

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What dragonflight would Taylor be part of? Now I want photoshops of her dragon form for my new avatar

Green cause she's in your Wildest Dreams.

[ercarp]

That one's perfect, I love it.

[Nymrohd]

Whatever flight has the worst fashion sense?

[Syegfryed]

Whatever flight has the worst fashion sense?

bronze no doubt

[huth]

Like i said, im not trying to pass my own view as canon, is just what i see, order is a concept of neutrality, neither too chaotic neither too lawful.

where did you get that with void "everybody follow their own goals"? they explicitly have a common goal to turn everything into void.

Order is not a concept of neutrality. Where are you even getting this nonsense from? The point of laws is to impose a certain order. Order is inherently lawful.


And that's specificially what Blizzard told us about the Void. They're not united. They consider every path true. Nobody has even claimed to want to make everything into Void. We only have that the Void Lords specificially want to consume everything, but that's neither the Void nor a common goal. Besides, a goal still isn't a law. Even if an entire force had a single common goal, that would not necessarily make them lawful.

[Syegfryed]

Order is not a concept of neutrality. Where are you even getting this nonsense from? The point of laws is to impose a certain order. Order is inherently lawful.

In wow i see order/arcane as a concept of neutrality rather than lawful, The titans saw chaotic words and shape then in order, but they don't say there to keep the "laws", and you know, lawful neutral exist exactly to answer this, as a primal force of neutrality with beings(titans) actively ordering the cosmo with their own vision.

And that's specificially what Blizzard told us about the Void. They're not united. They consider every path true. Nobody has even claimed to want to make everything into Void. We only have that the Void Lords specificially want to consume everything, but that's neither the Void nor a common goal. Besides, a goal still isn't a law. Even if an entire force had a single common goal, that would not necessarily make them lawful.

Every path can be a truth, yes, but in chaos you don't have those "truths", a chaotic force don't know the future.

Like i said, my view, which is prob wrong, since things will change as expansions go, so this is pointless.

[Berkilak]

What dragonflight would Taylor be part of? Now I want photoshops of her dragon form for my new avatar

So we've had all of them suggested (sans black). Which means that she is clearly chromatic.

[Vakir]

@huth

I think it's a communication barrier and possibly a language one.

It's easy to incorrectly conflate the concept of "order" with "balance" because of the definition range and potentially different root understandings of the concept - after all, "ordo" and the idea of having order can connect to be "ordinary" which can completely contrast the idea of having some sense of control and orderly and is often instead interpreted as to be average or unremarkable which implies a sense of centering or equilibrium.

Order can be interpreted often as a sense of stasis but can just as easily have it be ignored that it requires an external force on it, an ordering, to allow it to happen. So we see it as passive when it's highly active - an orderly court is mostly quiet, but an invisible authority is making it that way when the gavel isn't being used.

So I can just as easily believe someone can misinterpret the words used while still intellectually understanding the concepts on paper between those two forces and also how Lawful is conceptualized in something like D&D.

Also, I'm not going to assume English isn't Syeg's first language but I'm also not going to say I'm surprised if that's the case.