Dragonflight Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[Varx]

The problem with sylvanas is that it looked bad, not that they covered her up. I mean LBR even though undead one good slash could seriously wound her and leave her unable to fight, so covering up a vulnerability is a good idea. And plenty of other characters still show cleavage, they're not really changing that. I mean loooove Jaina's BFA outfit.

What they really need to do is make all the slut mogs look the same on male characters, like they do in FF14. Have your orc's junk hanging out in that tyrant's plate. Have a nice buttcheek window for Turalyon.

I disagree, it's okay to expose cleavage in combat but not your naval?

What about her head, a cloth hood isn't exactly gonna stop a good slash to her face.

She was also showing some cleavage herself too but again, that's okay but not her naval?

And, eew. No way. That might work with weeb media but having male.warcraft characters running around in banana hammocks would be rediculous.

No one would wanna play like that outside of jokes. women like to play with either option since it looks good on female toons.

[SniperCT]

"I am very intelligent. I want to fuck fictional dragons."

The reason I'm ridiculing you is because you aren't presenting anything that deserves actual, cogent argumentation. There's literally no reason to be upset about this in any capacity. It only indicates a sort of fragility on your part that a redesign of a fictional character upsets you. It only suggests a general sense of emasculation, because anybody with a sufficient amount of conventional masculine qualities would have greater and more weighty priorities.

Why I was talking about the popcorn worthy nature of this conversation.

Well perhaps they'll have a flash back explaining their transition in more detail. Cuz so far we know it happened due to a lack of a Burning Legion to check them.

Also wouldn't the first time blizz limits important story telling to factions, classes, and books. Not justifying it, just pointing it out.

I've been complaining about them sticking super important things into books since Stormrage came out :| It's basically an extra paywall for lore.

And I don't mind factions having stories the other can't see, I mind it when it's a major new Alliance character getting turned into a villain for the Horde, and I, the Alliance player, doesn't even get to see why.

I feel the same way about Horde characters turned into villains for the Alliance if the Horde doesn't get to see why.

I mean I've never had to go read one of the ff14 short stories to get insight into character motivations that weren't shown in game, and those are even all freely available! You're given everything you need by the end of the story to understand who those characters are, what drives them, and why they made those decisions.

(I'm still mad that elegy and a good war both ... answered a lot of my issues with the burning of teldrassil and the way characters reacted that SHOULD have been shown in game, but those were at least free to read)

What I really want from 10.0 and 11.0 is for Blizzard to try to show more in game than direct people to books, but that doesn't make them money.

[Hitei]

Slutshaming is bad. Please, grow up.

Pretty poorly veiled concern trolling.

[Nymrohd]

Yes there's potential but a) I didn't want it with YREL and b) we didn't even get to see her become that. She was missing for a full expak and then shows up like this in a side quest that requires one faction to get a specific rep with a specific rep only that faction has access to and it's not even the faction she was a part of.

It just came out of nowhere. I'd prefer to ignore it.

I'm totally okay with Turalyon and others being all light zealoty, but not her. Favorite character bias.

But generally blizzard has done things to almost all my favorite characters that I despise so it tracks for them.

First off, we cannot really believe the Mag'har. They are very much unreliable as to why things went to hell in Draenor.
Second, we don't even know what happened there. It is possible AU Xe'ra really did go crazy, is causing Draenor to go to hell and is manipulating the Draenei to believe the orcs caused it (and they'd have every reason to believe the orcs caused it).
Third, there may very well be Nathrezim infiltrators helping cause that war.

I think Yrel from what we saw of her would be able to switch if she realized she was being duped. I do think the Draenei probably feel very much reasonable in distrusting the orcs if the planet around them is failing given the orcs already tried to KILL THEM ALL once with no provocation other than hearsay AND likely know what happened to them in the main timeline.

[Sondrelk]

Why I was talking about the popcorn worthy nature of this conversation.

It's always fun to see #Gamers really live up to their reputation with these things.

Can't just have a character be given a new outfit that is less revealing just because that is what women are usually designed to look like now. Ohh no, it has to be woke-ism gone rampant ruining their perfect slice of paradise by bringing the dreaded politics into it.

[Vasoka]

"No, no, you see! I just want to look at it! Sure, I have reasons for wanting to look at this fictional character's navel for reasons other than fantasy!"



"no u"

I've never felt so owned.

I say these things because I have actual priorities. You see, people have actually have priorities ignore these things. I, unlike you, care about actual problems and don't waste my time whinging because of a redesign I don't like. Perhaps you ought to try getting religion, volunteering somewhere? This is also why I question your masculinity—if you are an effective person, you don't need to substitute the gratification you lack vicariously by ogling at fictional depictions of women, much less that they become so important to you that losing that is such a serious issue for you.

I told you that your quotes make no sense, you are deflecting and basically making a clown out of yourself, you are not addressing anything I say whatsoever and cherry nitpicking whatever suits you from every post.

Your only argument is an immediate association with erotica, lust and sex while overlooking everything else the change means when put together the general direction the company is taking with WoW ever since the scandals. If you choose to ignore this - it's your prerogative, I refuse to.

A hungry man thinks for bread, seems fairly accurate in the case with you. I'm sure if you ask her out nicely Alex will go out on a date with you, she's a real keeper judging by what we've seen thus far.

Tell you what, when you stop deflecting and flinging random nonsensical quotes my way, we can talk more. Until then, go to the kitchen, drink a glass of cold water to clear your head, then sit down and maybe write something worthy of reading and responding to. And rather than projecting your own sexual insecurities and "fragility", actually try and hold a coherent "argument" if you are so eager to push yourself into one.

Btw, I'm very religious. I'll say a prayer for you tonight before bed, you sure could use one.

[SniperCT]

First off, we cannot really believe the Mag'har. They are very much unreliable as to why things went to hell in Draenor.
Second, we don't even know what happened there. It is possible AU Xe'ra really did go crazy, is causing Draenor to go to hell and is manipulating the Draenei to believe the orcs caused it (and they'd have every reason to believe the orcs caused it).
Third, there may very well be Nathrezim infiltrators helping cause that war.

I think Yrel from what we saw of her would be able to switch if she realized she was being duped. I do think the Draenei probably feel very much reasonable in distrusting the orcs if the planet around them is failing given the orcs already tried to KILL THEM ALL once with no provocation other than hearsay AND likely know what happened to them in the main timeline.

I never did that unlock because I don't main horde and don't care about the mag'har. But I really hope that's the case. I could accept that and probably even enjoy that.

[Local Ardenweald Faerie]

It's always fun to see #Gamers really live up to their reputation with these things.

Can't just have a character be given a new outfit that is less revealing just because that is what women are usually designed to look like now. Ohh no, it has to be woke-ism gone rampant ruining their perfect slice of paradise by bringing the dreaded politics into it.

And it's not like they're removing all the sexy things... just look at all the skimpy armor left in game, the Night Elf Archer NPC armor, so on and so forth.

Anyone complaining about covering Alexstrazsa has no basis.

[ExiHext]

I mean the problem isnt only covering up females,

They also changed women portraits into fruits, erased white NPCs and turned them Black.

I mean where and when will this stop?

Ever turned your brain on and thought "well, prior to the human customization update they didn't even have black humans, perhaps that's the cause, why they changed them as soon as that was available."? For the sake of representation, diversity and...you know reflecting reality?

Let me make an educated guess: you also feel offended by gay and trans npcs?

[Nymrohd]

I've been complaining about them sticking super important things into books since Stormrage came out :| It's basically an extra paywall for lore.

Honestly, Stormrage + the Me'dan comic (and the Cho'gall affair) could have been an xpac by themselves. We would have had the Emerald Dream, a subplot with C'thun, Cho'gall would have had a much better introduction, the faction war would have made more sense (really Wolfheart could have been rolled in as well by moving the timeline for it and bringing the new races there instead of Cata). The plot would have allowed them to revamp 3 or 4 vanilla zones and make a smaller Emerald Dream and we could have had an expac that was more about the narrative and world building like vanilla than a theme park like most expansions.

[Raetary]

I think a Draenor & Outland fusion would actually be a great idea for a future expac actually. It helps bring Yrel into the main timeline, it makes sense for the timelines to collapse unto each other, it allows them to revamp Outland.

It could be so interesting.

Imagine, the Arakkoa in Terokkar returning to the Spires, massive potential for conflict in Terokkar over restored Auchindoun and Shattrath, Blade's edge with snow and jungle biomes, Farahlon can finally be implemented, Yrels forces meeting A'dal, the MU and AU Mag'har clashing with the Lightbound, etc.

[Vasoka]

And it's not like they're removing all the sexy things... just look at all the skimpy armor left in game, the Night Elf Archer NPC armor, so on and so forth.

Anyone complaining about covering Alexstrazsa has no basis.

Ahh yes, they didn't remove EVERYTHING (literally everything), so that means it's perfectly fine. Please go and read the 9.1.5 patch notes and the statement which Blizzard made that they "won't be removing or changing any cosmetics" only after both the US and EU forums (and Reddit) started losing their minds over the changes, with thousands upon thousands screeching and guessing that the "slutmogs" are next. You are being naive, but that's your choice and surely, I respect it.

[cocomen2]

The problem with sylvanas is that it looked bad, not that they covered her up. I mean LBR even though undead one good slash could seriously wound her and leave her unable to fight, so covering up a vulnerability is a good idea. And plenty of other characters still show cleavage, they're not really changing that. I mean loooove Jaina's BFA outfit.

What they really need to do is make all the slut mogs look the same on male characters, like they do in FF14. Have your orc's junk hanging out in that tyrant's plate. Have a nice buttcheek window for Turalyon.

What the actual fuck, that idea? character that able to fly like superman, beats old sad orcs with bare hands, plays cat/mouse with retarded Bolvar, able to wound herself with her own metal BRA? how woke are you?
(oh NO my Cryptonite, my only weakness, my open belly button, nvm i have Val'kyrs to rise me as if am immortal undead cat)

Lmao these woke people going insane with each day.

1)"Oh babe,Wrathion so sexy, they must make him wear small sexy panties,BRA he so HOT, he makes me wet".

2)"They did right thing when covered belly of fictional female character, its now looks so GOOD, lets defend it and pretend as if there no rapists in Bizz HQ".

This how it feels.

[Holdodlig]

I wonder what will be the collector's armor and pet. We know we'll have a green dragon mount. But I'm curious to see the set. I hardly see what can be considered to be a draconic armor.

[Nymrohd]

Slutshaming is bad. Please, grow up.

Is Alexstrasza behaving like a sexually liberated female who constantly seeks to entice others and is empowered by her sexuality?

I mean if she was a mammal I'd understand her being completely bare chested, if possible with large and pendulous breasts in a symbolic presentation of her being an aspect of fertility but given that she is oviparous (and we have no reason to believe an oviparous mammal, given she has no breasts in her dragon form) that makes no sense.

So she very much is naked to serve the male gaze. And that is problematic.

But honestly, I wish a moderator just slapped a warning to stop with the outrage posts.

[SniperCT]

Honestly, Stormrage + the Me'dan comic (and the Cho'gall affair) could have been an xpac by themselves. We would have had the Emerald Dream, a subplot with C'thun, Cho'gall would have had a much better introduction, the faction war would have made more sense (really Wolfheart could have been rolled in as well by moving the timeline for it and bringing the new races there instead of Cata). The plot would have allowed them to revamp 3 or 4 vanilla zones and make a smaller Emerald Dream and we could have had an expac that was more about the narrative and world building like vanilla than a theme park like most expansions.

Exactly! I was HOPING for that, and had been from Vanilla. To have it in a book was super disappointing.

And it's not like they're removing all the sexy things... just look at all the skimpy armor left in game, the Night Elf Archer NPC armor, so on and so forth.

Anyone complaining about covering Alexstrazsa has no basis.

I want the nelf archer armor SO BADLY. That OG trailer armor has been something I wanted since I rolled my first character the day after christmas in 2004.

[Vasoka]

Is Alexstrasza behaving like a sexually liberated female who constantly seeks to entice others and is empowered by her sexuality?

I mean if she was a mammal I'd understand her being completely bare chested, if possible with large and pendulous breasts in a symbolic presentation of her being an aspect of fertility but given that she is oviparous (and we have no reason to believe an oviparous mammal, given she has no breasts in her dragon form) that makes no sense.

So she very much is naked to serve the male gaze. And that is problematic.

But honestly, I wish a moderator just slapped a warning to stop with the outrage posts.

...to serve the male gaze and that is problematic.

You can't make this shit up, LOL.

[Local Ardenweald Faerie]

I want the nelf archer armor SO BADLY. That OG trailer armor has been something I wanted since I rolled my first character the day after christmas in 2004.

Night Elves were the only race I played in War3 and were the only race I played in WoW til Worgen then eventually Pandaren came along. When I saw the NPCs with the armor from the cinematic I was ESTATIC.

With Blizzard seeming to keep their ears open for community wants, I hope the armor makes it in as Nelf heritage!

[Nymrohd]

It could be so interesting.

Imagine, the Arakkoa in Terokkar returning to the Spires, massive potential for conflict in Terokkar over restored Auchindoun and Shattrath, Blade's edge with snow and jungle biomes, Farahlon can finally be implemented, Yrels forces meeting A'dal, the MU and AU Mag'har clashing with the Lightbound, etc.

I'd actually prefer if the end result was a mix of both zones. I honestly would rather see a revamped Netherstorm than Faralhon which essentially was folded into Gorgrond (Faralhon pretty much is the jungle/Botani parts of Gorgrond). And it would be nice if AU X'era was trying to force A'dal to join her because then we could see civil war in the Light and actually make it nuanced with part of the Light staying benevolent.

And yes please more Arakkoa, Spires of Arak had such high quality world building.

[SniperCT]

Night Elves were the only race I played in War3 and were the only race I played in WoW til Worgen then eventually Pandaren came along. When I saw the NPCs with the armor from the cinematic I was ESTATIC.

With Blizzard seeming to keep their ears open for community wants, I hope the armor makes it in as Nelf heritage!

I have 6 nelves I hope so!