Dragonflight Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[Ersula]

They may not use Fel but they use Void. There are void using Mag'har in Stormsong (really, the Shadowmoon clan liberally uses Void).

Besides their pattern of basically ignoring every culture that worship's nature, example the only Night Elf they ever contacted was Illidan, there's the suggestion that Elune & Naaru have some kind of connection, but the Naaru have otherwise ignored them. That and individual Naaru's condemnation of orcs in TBC, not just fel ones, but the ones that worship nature as well.

We have those already, in two flavors.

I would like the Void-touched (drop the Twilight name because that implies Elemental affiliation) forming their own, Amethyst dragonflight after Wrathion giving them his blessing in 8.3. They wouldn't have the powers given to them by the titans but the regular dragonflight don't have that anymore either.

[AOL Instant Messenger]

It is much more nuanced. The Mag'har say it is so but we don't really interact with anyone who is actually brainwashed (while we know of many who embraced the Light willingly). Yrel definitely is aggressively proselytizing, believing the Light is the only thing that can save Draenor that is apparently dying. Yrel's side believes the orcs are to blame for the planet dying (and we know they killed it once before. . .)
The truth is very likely in the middle though.

I've always thought it's likely there's something the Mag'har aren't telling us. Since most of the Orcs seemed to have embraced the Light on their own terms, it feels like the Mag'har that we know may actually just be a reactionary insurgency to the naturally-expanding Draenei hegemony that Yrel established. They seem not to be forcing their religion on anybody too seriously, and they also seem fairly tolerant of their Orcish recruits. It strikes me as though the Iron Horde probably felt threatened when they saw their authority among the clans challenged when Orcs started converting, so they probably struck first and the Lightforged were radicalized by this.

[Makabreska]

I've always thought it's likely there's something the Mag'har aren't telling us. Since most of the Orcs seemed to have embraced the Light on their own terms, it feels like the Mag'har that we know may actually just be a reactionary insurgency to the naturally-expanding Draenei hegemony that Yrel established. They seem not to be forcing their religion on anybody too seriously, and they also seem fairly tolerant of their Orcish recruits. It strikes me as though the Iron Horde probably felt threatened when they saw their authority among the clans challenged when Orcs started converting, so they probably struck first and the Lightforged were radicalized by this.

I preferred Mr House avatar...

[Nymrohd]

Besides their pattern of basically ignoring every culture that worship's nature, example the only Night Elf they ever contacted was Illidan, there's the suggestion that Elune & Naaru have some kind of connection, but the Naaru have otherwise ignored them. That and individual Naaru's condemnation of orcs in TBC, not just fel ones, but the ones that worship nature as well.

Oh so they have had limited interaction with nature worshipers somehow translates into they consider them corrupt and want to destroy nature? Dammit girl, how do you think like this?

[Polybius]

What if Blizzard introduces a new dragonflight or a new dragon character (a void dragon)?

Pink dragons, when?

[Nymrohd]

Pink dragons, when?

If you get really drunk while in the Dragon Isles, you can see the pink dragons dancing around you.

[Ersula]

Oh so they have had limited interaction with nature worshipers somehow translates into they consider them corrupt and want to destroy nature? Dammit girl, how do you think like this?

This is just a possible story path they could go down.

The Xe'rite ones at least, yes. They're already been portraying the followers of Xe'ra pretty badly since the Maghar acquisition questline. I don't think such an action would be beyond them. Otherwise we still have no explanation as to why the environment of alt Draenor went to shit, considering they never used Fel and live in harmony with nature, and conveniently being Lightbound makes you immune to the destruction of the natural environment.

[AOL Instant Messenger]

I preferred Mr House avatar...

Been a little too into Blue Oyster Cult lately is all, moreso than Fallout. Imaginos got me going for sure—very good album, I'd advise listening to it. It's this sort of conspiracy theory/Cosmic Horror Story about the alien origins of World War I. All sorts of fun obscure historical and religious references.

Jokes aside, I know what you mean and I don't mean to sound off in how I put that. I was admittedly somewhat exaggerating, but I do think it's not wrong to suspect the Iron Horde may be unreliable narrators. Keep in mind they are historically a pretty imperialistic and violent organization that may have a bit of a different perspective on what happened on Draenor to the Draenei. I do imagine we'll see a bit more of a muddled conflict.

[Nymrohd]

This is just a possible story path they could go down.

The Xe'rite ones at least, yes. They're already been portraying the followers of Xe'ra pretty badly since the Maghar acquisition questline. I don't think such an action would be beyond them. Otherwise we still have no explanation as to why the environment of alt Draenor went to shit, considering they never used Fel and live in harmony with nature, and conveniently being Lightbound makes you immune to the destruction of the natural environment.

You realize you said they have a history of doing it when you don't even have one example? Also the mag'har definitely had a large number abandon shamanism and use Fel, still have a large contingent using Void (which seems to completely subvert and transform nature) and also a very large number embrace heavy industralisation and completely destroy their surroundings if you look at Gorgrond.

[Polybius]

If you get really drunk while in the Dragon Isles, you can see the pink dragons dancing around you.

I really miss their goofy barrel rolls.

[AOL Instant Messenger]

You realize you said they have a history of doing it when you don't even have one example? Also the mag'har definitely had a large number abandon shamanism and use Fel, still have a large contingent using Void (which seems to completely subvert and transform nature) and also a very large number embrace heavy industralisation and completely destroy their surroundings if you look at Gorgrond.

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[Varx]

Really? What is another example of Naaru condemning nature worship? Since they have a history of it

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They may not use Fel but they use Void. There are void using Mag'har in Stormsong (really, the Shadowmoon clan liberally uses Void).
And it could also very much be industrialization. Blackrock tech very much felt like first industrial revolution, super polluting tech
I also think the most likely reason is time shenanigans though.

The void doesn't use life energy as fuel. It is specifically stated that life energy is the prime fuel source of fel magic.

If anything the planet would be corrupted not killed.

[Nymrohd]

Been a little too into Blue Oyster Cult lately is all, moreso than Fallout. Imaginos got me going for sure—very good album, I'd advise listening to it. It's this sort of conspiracy theory/Cosmic Horror Story about the alien origins of World War I. All sorts of fun obscure historical and religious references.

Jokes aside, I know what you mean and I don't mean to sound off in how I put that. I was admittedly somewhat exaggerating, but I do think it's not wrong to suspect the Iron Horde may be unreliable narrators. Keep in mind they are historically a pretty imperialistic and violent organization that may have a bit of a different perspective on what happened on Draenor to the Draenei. I do imagine we'll see a bit more of a muddled conflict.

Honestly I also think that narratively it is more likely that Xe'ra is doing something to mess the planet up or that it is completely unrelated and has to do with the timeline being unstable. However I think the Draenei would be absolutely justified to believe that if the planet is dying, the orcs probably did something to it.

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The void doesn't use life energy as fuel. It is specifically stated that life energy is the prime fuel source of fel magic.

If anything the planet would be corrupted not killed.

Do we have any example of the Light destroying nature though? It's primary function is healing.

[AOL Instant Messenger]

Honestly I also think that narratively it is more likely that Xe'ra is doing something to mess the planet up or that it is completely unrelated and has to do with the timeline being unstable. However I think the Draenei would be absolutely justified to believe that if the planet is dying, the orcs probably did something to it.

I figure it's likely a timeline collapse issue. If not that, I'd say it's a variety of things. The Orcs definitely did cause some serious harm to the planet already (see: Gorgrond) and they're certainly not going to start caring about the environment now. Conversely, Xe'ra could be trying to expedite the conquest of the planet with some kind of environmental destruction.

I think one major issue is we don't really know the specifics of "Draenor is dying". We're simply told that and we never really see what the destruction looks like. Do they mean that the world is gradually becoming a desert like Gorgrond? If that's the case, the Orcs are definitely looking a little suspicious. Conversely, if the planet is undergoing some sort of mysterious plague, Xe'ra seems suspect in it. I'm not quite sure what a collapsing timeline would entail for the planet, but it's apparently something very visible and environmental in nature.

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Do we have any example of the Light destroying nature though? It's primary function is healing.

That, too. I suppose that if it were the Light doing anything suspect, then it would be immediately obvious—we know that they sometimes will crystallize planets (as per Locus-Walker), which does seem like it indicates the Light can damage the environment, but I highly doubt the generally-intelligent Draenei would suddenly believe that somehow the Co2 emissions of the Iron Horde are crystallizing the planet.

[Pheraz]

What he hell is happening now? Is this thread kidnapped by some racist sexists now one week before the announcement? Whats the problem with black people options and NPC's and whats the problem with female armor precisely pronouncing their breasts but stopped being bikini? Please go away or stay at your redneck farm. I didn't say any names. You know who you are

[Sharby]

I'm totally against making every female character losing feminine clothing just for the sake.of the woke crowd.

And no, I don't mean bikini plate, but showing cleavage or a belly button isn't gonna oppress anyone. Covering our eyes to the feminine figure and features oppress women more if you ask me.

That being said....

Alex's bikini outfit is completely ridiculous. Like in the deathwing defeat cinematic she looks like she's gonna walk towards a pole and start dancing.

Changing her to a more Ysera like outfit would be much better.

But then you got shit like Sylvanas who looks exactly the same in Legion except with a brown cover over her naval, you can't help but ask "why". Like does exposed naval really trigger people, ffs.

Like it's a balance people...

Like we don't need characters in stripper outfits, but we also don't need them in burqas either.

Slight armor redesign that's only marginally less revealing = burqa now?


Acting like any redesign that's less sexual = pandering is such an eggshell mindset, and belies you being triggered over nothing more than any of the made-up people you're talking about.


There is no "balance" because its not your character nor do they have to adhere to any made-up rules, any inconsistencies are just coincidence and Blizzard has all the artistic freedoms to do whatever they want to some characters while leaving other characters unchanged.

[Ersula]

Do we have any example of the Light destroying nature though? It's primary function is healing.

Healing flesh. Shadow magic can also be used to mend wounds. Nature & Holy are totally different forces. They turned the Draenei grey. That's not their natural skin color. We might not have them directly stating they dislike nature but if the Devs decided to take the story there they're nothing to contradict it: We already know Deathwing's connection to the planet is what corrupted him. The Draenei in WoD specifically state shamanism will lead to corruption in the same way. The ideas are there.

[AOL Instant Messenger]

Slight armor redesign that's only marginally less revealing = burqa now?

It's certainly an odd burqa to have a breast window large enough to defenestrate a grown man.

[Bmenace123]

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[Makabreska]

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