Dragonflight Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[Niwes]

Dalaran got a revamp in Legion. New textures, an expanded Underbelly, changed shops and everything; not to mention the giant tower. Not unreasonable to assume they'll redo it again if the leaks are to be believed.

Blizz did a lot of things different, than in the last 2 xpacs.

[Niwes]

Honestly I do not want Dalaran v3.0

I mean anything is better than Oribos but still it would be one of the most boring hubs we could get for 10.0.

I am hoping the new hubs are just the new Night Elf and Forsaken cities.

yep, not just because its very urgent needed, but foremost because it would give same fresh air feeling into wow. hanging out in Dalaran, in a SL-like xpac based on dragons, would kill any last wow air i have in my lungs left (spoiler: its very very low amount of air that is left).

Dalaran 3.0 would make me feel bored AF after day3 instead of day90 or so. not a good xpac start. hopefully not Dalaran, plz god.

[huth]

?? that sometimes order isn't extrictly law,

It still is, even within the context you gave. Law is a form of order. That's the whole point.

Again, if you think is incorrect thats fine.it may be, don't get too much worked up for it.

You're literally the only person here who claims that. And i don't just think it is incorrect, i know it is. We regularly predict how chaotic systems behave. That's what weather reports are. You have no clue what you're talking about.

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Did the mods ban Le Conceptuel due the

No, they banned him because you won't shut up.

[Izalla]

hmm maybe gilnean and forsaken are good cannonfodder or super trustworthy. naaah, i think its the cannonfodder thing.

Pretty sure they were the guards because Genn was leading the alliance forces into Stormheim and Sylvanas was leading the horde forces. I know people say that Azsuna was clearly intended to be the first zone if the Legion zones had been linear but I always got that impression from Stormheim just with how the intro happened there and how present the worgen and undead were in Dalaran.

[Local Ardenweald Faerie]

Pretty sure they were the guards because Genn was leading the alliance forces into Stormheim and Sylvanas was leading the horde forces. I know people say that Azsuna was clearly intended to be the first zone if the Legion zones had been linear but I always got that impression from Stormheim just with how the intro happened there and how present the worgen and undead were in Dalaran.

Azsuna is the first because there are side quests there that directly lead up to Stormheim; as in finding the sunken Forsaken boat which is what tips off Genn in the first place.

[Syegfryed]

It still is, even within the context you gave. Law is a form of order. That's the whole point.

And if you can predict the void why is not form of law?

You're literally the only person here who claims that. And i don't just think it is incorrect, i know it is. We regularly predict how chaotic systems behave. That's what weather reports are. You have no clue what you're talking about.

If you know it is, why are you getting to worked up on it? the weather system is not "chaotic" like the fundamental forces of the cosmology in the warcraft, be reasonable. i aid countless of times is just my pov, not trying to pass as truth.

[delphiskye]

been thinking on it now zovel has been banished the life/death cycle balance is outta wack all the souls in arendweld need to be reborn and the legion/army of the light has killed off most of the places they can go back to are we going find out how to make baby world souls?

[Izalla]

Azsuna is the first because there are side quests there that directly lead up to Stormheim; as in finding the sunken Forsaken boat which is what tips off Genn in the first place.

Oh I didn't mean to say I don't believe Azsuna is first, I just mean I find Stormheim actually has a stronger "intro to the Broken Isles" feel purely because of the way you arrive with a leader and it seems weird to sail in with them after you've already been there for three zones before that. It doesn't make sense anyway because we arrived via Dalaran, but the actual feeling of that zone intro is "first time arrival" to me.

[huth]

And if you can predict the void why is not form of law?

Because it doesn't follow rules. Whether you can predict it is completely irrelevant.

the weather system is not "chaotic" like the fundamental forces of the cosmology in the warcraft, be reasonable.

Of course not. Those forces are more easily predictable because the actors have known motivations and generally less moving parts. Weather is way more chaotic. But we can still predict it with a fair amount of accuracy.

[Local Ardenweald Faerie]

Oh I didn't mean to say I don't believe Azsuna is first, I just mean I find Stormheim actually has a stronger "intro to the Broken Isles" feel purely because of the way you arrive with a leader and it seems weird to sail in with them after you've already been there for three zones before that. It doesn't make sense anyway because we arrived via Dalaran, but the actual feeling of that zone intro is "first time arrival" to me.

Oooooh. Okay, I seemed to have misunderstood you. Sorry!

In that case... I kinda agree with you. Stormheim's intro is very, very strong.

Myself, I consider Stormheim to be the last questing zone because of it's strong ending. Genn vs Sylvanas combined with going up to the Halls of Valor to fight Odyn for the last Pillar is the perfect cap to the story, for me at least!

[Revamp Man]

been thinking on it now zovel has been banished the life/death cycle balance is outta wack all the souls in arendweld need to be reborn and the legion/army of the light has killed off most of the places they can go back to are we going find out how to make baby world souls?

so world souls as far as we know are titans who are beings of order so we would have to go to zereth ordo

[Syegfryed]

Because it doesn't follow rules. Whether you can predict it is completely irrelevant.

Of course not. Those forces are more easily predictable because the actors have known motivations and generally less moving parts. Weather is way more chaotic. But we can still predict it with a fair amount of accuracy.

in short, the void have motivations, they follow a system of infinite truths to achieve their ultimate goal, which is at least based on the void lords, turn the existence into void, in my eyes, i see lawful evil, sorry

[maplesyrupgl]

We know the announcement is on the 19th, but do we know what time it is? Probably morning Pacific Time?

[Varx]

Can we go back to giving me shit about my 101% certainty on tinkers in one week?

Can't believe people really get upset about applying the new racial options on random NPCs.

You know they did the same to other races right.

[Jodmos]

We know the announcement is on the 19th, but do we know what time it is? Probably morning Pacific Time?

I'm expecting it it to be at 18:00 UK

[maplesyrupgl]

I'm expecting it it to be at 18:00 UK

Yeah that's what I was thinking too...

Guess I'll be setting an alarm for 3am *cries in Australia*

[Revamp Man]

Can we go back to giving me shit about my 101% certainty on tinkers in one week?

Can't believe people really get upset about applying the new racial options on random NPCs.

You know they did the same to other races right.

the people who are upset are like the people who were upset about m+ players swapping gear.....victim complex

[Benedict Donald]

yep, here it is:

https://www.facebook.com/SenecaTobac...92210254184185

its a product brochure of Seneca Tobacco (zoom at the table).

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ok, we now know the designer likes coffee and cigarettes (or cigars, or…). now lets take a close look at all designers of Blizz (lol, we can’t). if we could get 100% proof, that none of the wow team designers smokes, we can 100% proof its fake.

It could also be someone who works at Seneca, not Blizzard, and this is just another fake leak. Or works for a company that makes Seneca's promotional materials. Why would a Blizzard employee be making Seneca product brochures? You can see there is a whole stack of them there, a customer would only receive one in the mail not a whole stack.

The name is a real leak, but this is probably just someone that threw this together at work in a couple hours after reading about the expansion name leak.

[JDBlou]

It could also be someone who works at Seneca, not Blizzard, and this is just another fake leak. Or works for a company that makes Seneca's promotional materials. Why would a Blizzard employee be making Seneca product brochures? You can see there is a whole stack of them there, a customer would only receive one in the mail not a whole stack.

The name is a real leak, but this is probably just someone that threw this together at work in a couple hours after reading about the expansion name leak.

Or it's not a blizzard employee at all, and Blizzard, like most companies, outsource their printing of promotional materials, and another of the printer's clients is Seneca? Seems like the simplest answer. The CYMK in the bottom of the poster also points towards the photo being taken in a printing office.

[maplesyrupgl]

The name is a real leak, but this is probably just someone that threw this together at work in a couple hours after reading about the expansion name leak.

The artwork is very high quality. It looks like Blizzard official art quality, whoever did it is very skilled. And it definitely would have taken longer than a couple of hours.