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    Quote Originally Posted by Syegfryed View Post
    It is in given context, that you are eager to ignore.
    What is?

    its funny that you think chaos isn't inherently chaotic, but is helbent in thinking something lalwful must be entirely based around around a law system.
    Chaotic still doesn't mean unpredictable. You're basing your entire argument on an incorrect claim.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Niwes View Post
    muhahahahaha you think Blizz invests into Dalaran? they put it on another place at map and everything else is untouched (maybe that Legion Blood trade will be removed, but that’s it).
    Dalaran got a revamp in Legion. New textures, an expanded Underbelly, changed shops and everything; not to mention the giant tower. Not unreasonable to assume they'll redo it again if the leaks are to be believed.

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    Does reporting do nothing, because that's what I did.
    It doesn't help others who see the post and have no proper context.

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    Oh god, i hope its not dalaran, in Legion that was awful, so much lag in one place alone

    Quote Originally Posted by huth View Post
    What is?
    ?? that sometimes order isn't extrictly law,

    Chaotic still doesn't mean unpredictable. You're basing your entire argument on an incorrect claim.
    You can't predict chaos, you can attempt in get more close to it, as accurately as possible, but not fully predict. meaning, no seeing future. Fel is the true chaotic force imo.

    Again, if you think is incorrect thats fine.it may be, don't get too much worked up for it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Syegfryed View Post
    Oh god, i hope its not dalaran, in Legion that was was awful, so much lag in one place alone.
    I hope that, whatever the new city is, is that it's -sizable-. Boralus and Dazar'alor were confined to very small places. Oribos was sized good, very large, but way too vertical, in my opinion.

    I'll accept we'll never get a city as large as the base game capitals or Shattrath ever again, but I'd like one that isn't so compact, thank you!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Local Ardenweald Faerie View Post
    Dalaran got a revamp in Legion. New textures, an expanded Underbelly, changed shops and everything; not to mention the giant tower. Not unreasonable to assume they'll redo it again if the leaks are to be believed.
    Honestly I do not want Dalaran v3.0

    I mean anything is better than Oribos but still it would be one of the most boring hubs we could get for 10.0.

    I am hoping the new hubs are just the new Night Elf and Forsaken cities.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Local Ardenweald Faerie View Post
    Dalaran got a revamp in Legion. New textures, an expanded Underbelly, changed shops and everything; not to mention the giant tower. Not unreasonable to assume they'll redo it again if the leaks are to be believed.
    Blizz did a lot of things different, than in the last 2 xpacs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Khaza-R View Post
    Honestly I do not want Dalaran v3.0

    I mean anything is better than Oribos but still it would be one of the most boring hubs we could get for 10.0.

    I am hoping the new hubs are just the new Night Elf and Forsaken cities.
    yep, not just because its very urgent needed, but foremost because it would give same fresh air feeling into wow. hanging out in Dalaran, in a SL-like xpac based on dragons, would kill any last wow air i have in my lungs left (spoiler: its very very low amount of air that is left).

    Dalaran 3.0 would make me feel bored AF after day3 instead of day90 or so. not a good xpac start. hopefully not Dalaran, plz god.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Syegfryed View Post
    ?? that sometimes order isn't extrictly law,
    It still is, even within the context you gave. Law is a form of order. That's the whole point.

    Again, if you think is incorrect thats fine.it may be, don't get too much worked up for it.
    You're literally the only person here who claims that. And i don't just think it is incorrect, i know it is. We regularly predict how chaotic systems behave. That's what weather reports are. You have no clue what you're talking about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Niwes View Post
    hmm maybe gilnean and forsaken are good cannonfodder or super trustworthy. naaah, i think its the cannonfodder thing.
    Pretty sure they were the guards because Genn was leading the alliance forces into Stormheim and Sylvanas was leading the horde forces. I know people say that Azsuna was clearly intended to be the first zone if the Legion zones had been linear but I always got that impression from Stormheim just with how the intro happened there and how present the worgen and undead were in Dalaran.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Izalla View Post
    Pretty sure they were the guards because Genn was leading the alliance forces into Stormheim and Sylvanas was leading the horde forces. I know people say that Azsuna was clearly intended to be the first zone if the Legion zones had been linear but I always got that impression from Stormheim just with how the intro happened there and how present the worgen and undead were in Dalaran.
    Azsuna is the first because there are side quests there that directly lead up to Stormheim; as in finding the sunken Forsaken boat which is what tips off Genn in the first place.

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    Quote Originally Posted by huth View Post
    It still is, even within the context you gave. Law is a form of order. That's the whole point.
    And if you can predict the void why is not form of law?

    You're literally the only person here who claims that. And i don't just think it is incorrect, i know it is. We regularly predict how chaotic systems behave. That's what weather reports are. You have no clue what you're talking about.
    If you know it is, why are you getting to worked up on it? the weather system is not "chaotic" like the fundamental forces of the cosmology in the warcraft, be reasonable. i aid countless of times is just my pov, not trying to pass as truth.
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    been thinking on it now zovel has been banished the life/death cycle balance is outta wack all the souls in arendweld need to be reborn and the legion/army of the light has killed off most of the places they can go back to are we going find out how to make baby world souls?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Local Ardenweald Faerie View Post
    Azsuna is the first because there are side quests there that directly lead up to Stormheim; as in finding the sunken Forsaken boat which is what tips off Genn in the first place.
    Oh I didn't mean to say I don't believe Azsuna is first, I just mean I find Stormheim actually has a stronger "intro to the Broken Isles" feel purely because of the way you arrive with a leader and it seems weird to sail in with them after you've already been there for three zones before that. It doesn't make sense anyway because we arrived via Dalaran, but the actual feeling of that zone intro is "first time arrival" to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Syegfryed View Post
    And if you can predict the void why is not form of law?
    Because it doesn't follow rules. Whether you can predict it is completely irrelevant.

    the weather system is not "chaotic" like the fundamental forces of the cosmology in the warcraft, be reasonable.
    Of course not. Those forces are more easily predictable because the actors have known motivations and generally less moving parts. Weather is way more chaotic. But we can still predict it with a fair amount of accuracy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Izalla View Post
    Oh I didn't mean to say I don't believe Azsuna is first, I just mean I find Stormheim actually has a stronger "intro to the Broken Isles" feel purely because of the way you arrive with a leader and it seems weird to sail in with them after you've already been there for three zones before that. It doesn't make sense anyway because we arrived via Dalaran, but the actual feeling of that zone intro is "first time arrival" to me.
    Oooooh. Okay, I seemed to have misunderstood you. Sorry!

    In that case... I kinda agree with you. Stormheim's intro is very, very strong.

    Myself, I consider Stormheim to be the last questing zone because of it's strong ending. Genn vs Sylvanas combined with going up to the Halls of Valor to fight Odyn for the last Pillar is the perfect cap to the story, for me at least!

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    Quote Originally Posted by delphiskye View Post
    been thinking on it now zovel has been banished the life/death cycle balance is outta wack all the souls in arendweld need to be reborn and the legion/army of the light has killed off most of the places they can go back to are we going find out how to make baby world souls?
    so world souls as far as we know are titans who are beings of order so we would have to go to zereth ordo

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    Quote Originally Posted by huth View Post
    Because it doesn't follow rules. Whether you can predict it is completely irrelevant.

    Of course not. Those forces are more easily predictable because the actors have known motivations and generally less moving parts. Weather is way more chaotic. But we can still predict it with a fair amount of accuracy.
    in short, the void have motivations, they follow a system of infinite truths to achieve their ultimate goal, which is at least based on the void lords, turn the existence into void, in my eyes, i see lawful evil, sorry

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    We know the announcement is on the 19th, but do we know what time it is? Probably morning Pacific Time?

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    Can we go back to giving me shit about my 101% certainty on tinkers in one week?

    Can't believe people really get upset about applying the new racial options on random NPCs.

    You know they did the same to other races right.

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