Dragonflight Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[TomatoBisque]

The main issue ofc is that I did not even talk about the story itself but rather about how the narrative is delivered. But hey, you do you.

which again is just as bad as it has ever been

for something to be worse than it was before things have to actually have been better before and not exactly the same

[Nymrohd]

which again is just as bad as it has ever been

for something to be worse than it was before things have to actually have been better before and not exactly the same

It is not though. We usually had some basic things available like character motivations. Zovaal can't even do a proper villain monologue about his plans.

[Scaleface]

especially when wowhead which not just a fan website but the first database resource solution plays automatically ad videos mixed with latest wow videos (official and uploaded datamined ones). But we all know that wowhead are the worst...

This is something that stopping me about writing more. Back in the time before legion announcement noone believes me too.
I think that the information about race and class that will be closely related to each other (as well as dh + faction selection) is enough to stimulate the imagination for the next few days.

Yes, its close af - and yes, im (as a player) shocked too. Specially that BFA/SL feels like not so very polished products..

This information is available since yesterday, there aren't many details, but let's say few "key" ones. You can treat them however you like.
Anyway - on April 19, everyone will be able to preorder right after the presentation and expect the premiere in autumn 2022.

Also "feniela" have 100% right in what he wroted above and on previous 2-3 pages.

[SunspotAnims]

Between covid and the walkouts and the layoffs I would sooner believe they are behind, but let us entertain your idea for a bit. So they are six months ahead.
The time between reveals and releases ranged from 9 months to 16. So with the bonus 6 months, the release is between 3 to 10 months from now. The average of that does seem to be around november, that is true. Granted we can probably rule out the 3 months one, cause the average length of beta tests has been 5.8 months so far.
If they are done with alpha tests, it is possible to do november, but I highly doubt that. More stuff definitely would have leaked if that were the case.

I want to stress that my point is not that they are ahead nor behind, just that the announcement is occurring much later in development than usual (April 2022 rather than November 2021). And I'm not going to die on this hill, it was just my way of explaining how a November release could be possible if it announced as such.

[Wangming]

I'm glad you stopped reading there because at no point did I defend the jailer, and in fact explicitly called him out as a major weak point in the story

Well with all due respect that blog post of yours was a bit too long to read in the middle of work. Didn't want to imply you defended the Jailer so sorry if it came out as such. All I'm saying is that it's kinda hard to defend a story when the main villain is the worst one yet. I take you are familiar with the eight deadly words.

[Nyel]

I want to stress that my point is not that they are ahead nor behind, just that the announcement is occurring much later in development than usual (April 2022 rather than November 2021). And I'm not going to die on this hill, it was just my way of explaining how a November release could be possible if it announced as such.

If we ignore all the signs, yes. But not with WotLK Classic being prepped already AND WotLKs 14th anniversary taking place in November.

[The Stormbringer]

I would rather talk about that than have grown-ass men whine about how they need to go to deviantart if they want to see some dragon midriffs.

You know, I'm not really upset about the change in theory, but in practice, it bothers me. Not because we can no longer see her as the confident, sexy dragon-lady like usual, oh no. That's certainly unfortunate, but there's a MUCH worse issue going on here...

THE OUTFIT DOESN'T MATCH! It looks like she put on a completely different body-suit and then slapped her usual bikini armor over top of it. That's HORRIBLE! Absolutely atrocious! If you're going to cover her up, you need to completely redesign her look from the ground up, just like you did with Jaina! This half-assed "oh Sylvanas' armor now has extra bits" nonsense is stupid! Ugh! /endrant

[Wangming]

I want to stress that my point is not that they are ahead nor behind, just that the announcement is occurring much later in development than usual (April 2022 rather than November 2021). And I'm not going to die on this hill, it was just my way of explaining how a November release could be possible if it announced as such.

Oh I completely understand. That is indeed the only way to get a November release. I'm just saying it is still very unlikely to be true.

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You know, I'm not really upset about the change in theory, but in practice, it bothers me. Not because we can no longer see her as the confident, sexy dragon-lady like usual, oh no. That's certainly unfortunate, but there's a MUCH worse issue going on here...

THE OUTFIT DOESN'T MATCH! It looks like she put on a completely different body-suit and then slapped her usual bikini armor over top of it. That's HORRIBLE! Absolutely atrocious! If you're going to cover her up, you need to completely redesign her look from the ground up, just like you did with Jaina! This half-assed "oh Sylvanas' armor now has extra bits" nonsense is stupid! Ugh! /endrant

Now THAT is a valid concern. Honestly the Jaina redesign is great.

[micwini]

I don't get the arguing. We will all know in 1 week. The more you post now, the higher the chance you will be quoted, laughed at and ridiculed in the future.

[huth]

God, I hate this pretentious as fuck argument wherever it comes up. "You didn't like the story? Well obviously you are not smart enough". It surely can't be subjective opinion or some shit. People are flat-out wrong. Yep.

When even Taliesin, the largest WoW shill on youtube says that the Jailer was so bad, undeveloped and uninteresting as a villain that it ruined the story, it is getting harder and harder to argue that SL is some underappreciated masterpiece.

At least hate the argument actually being made, which isn't that they are to stupid, but that they are ignorant.

Which is true. The vast majority of complaints comes from people that can't even get the basic story right.

[Shadochi]

If someone works seven days in a row, I feel bad for them.

And there's probably very little prep since they chose to do this thing around Easter; I'd expect it was all pre-recorded.

Easter doesn't really matter that much here, for me for example Orthodox Easter is not this weekend.

But OT, I hope it is an actual livestream or less edited prerecording (like for blizzconline) and not just a highly edited video like for 9.2 but with more info. What I mean mainly with this is talk about something and then show it, not have scenery flying all over the screen while talking

[Deventh]

This is something that stopping me about writing more. Back in the time before legion announcement noone believes me too.
I think that the information about race and class that will be closely related to each other (as well as dh + faction selection) is enough to stimulate the imagination for the next few days.

Yes, its close af - and yes, im (as a player) shocked too. Specially that BFA/SL feels like not so very polished products..

This information is available since yesterday, there aren't many details, but let's say few "key" ones. You can treat them however you like.
Anyway - on April 19, everyone will be able to preorder right after the presentation and expect the premiere in autumn 2022.

Also "feniela" have 100% right in what he wroted above and on previous 2-3 pages.

You literally quoted someone else who leaked Legion stuff and said "This" which many other people have done to other leaks that ended up real. This does not really give you any credibility.

[Catastrophy349]

The "favorite twitch streamer" said that there would likely be a post regarding the information for next Tuesday, today.

[Wangming]

At least hate the argument actually being made, which isn't that they are to stupid, but that they are ignorant.

Which is true. The vast majority of complaints comes from people that can't even get the basic story right.

Do you really want to pretend there is a major difference between: "Too stupid to understand the story" and "Ignorant of what the story actually about is"?

By the way even if we assume ithis is true, and not just Danuser biting off more than he can chew, that isn't really in favor of the story. Like it or not an MMO is there for mass appeal. There is probably a reason most MMOs don't try to tell a super deep story. Not because everyone besides Natsuko Ishikawa is a hack. But because they want most potential buyers to enjoy it. An Esoteric storyline like in Dreamfall would not work well in an MMO even if it were executed brilliantly. Not knowing your audience is a form of failure.

[Scaleface]

You literally quoted someone else who leaked Legion stuff and said "This" which many other people have done to other leaks that ended up real. This does not really give you any credibility.

At the moment, there is not much to ask or prove, let's wait a week and see. o/

[Wangming]

The "favorite twitch streamer" said that there would likely be a post regarding the information for next Tuesday, today.

So the next tuesday they were referring to is today?

[micwini]

The "favorite twitch streamer" said that there would likely be a post regarding the information for next Tuesday, today.

Anyone could guess that. We still haven't gotten a time/place(twitch?YT?) at this point. I would also expect some kind of schedule since they normally have multiple panels separate from the reveal at blizzcon. Not that hard of a guess.

[Dracullus]

I don't get the arguing. We will all know in 1 week. The more you post now, the higher the chance you will be quoted, laughed at and ridiculed in the future.

Know what, release date? Depend if pre-order will be available next week or rather after 9.2.5 (if encrypted Tirisfal files are indeed for pre-order stuff). With pre-order we will know at least season of release.

Imo it will be spring or summer, so we will see 'before 21st June' or 'before 23rd September' dates. 2022 is obviously out of picture, they would have a)start Alpha this month b)cancel season 4.

[Fiercelord]

I hope the video of the announcement lasts more than 1 hour

[Catastrophy349]

Anyone could guess that. We still haven't gotten a time/place(twitch?YT?) at this point. I would also expect some kind of schedule since they normally have multiple panels separate from the reveal at blizzcon. Not that hard of a guess.

Yes, it's obviously that we will get a post from Blizzard regarding next week's reveal. I am saying that "he" said we will get a post from Blizzard TODAY regarding next Tuesday's information.