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    Quote Originally Posted by Osmeric View Post
    New fake rumor: WoW is going THAC0!
    Could be worse; could be the even-older days where it was sometimes easier to hit you the better your AC.
    It became clear that it wasn’t realistic to try to get the audience back to being more hardcore, as it had been in the past. -- Tom Chilton

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    Quote Originally Posted by SunspotAnims View Post
    In fairness we could also see this as a situation where the announcement is potentially being made waaay later in development than usual. If the past two years didn't happen the way they did we possibly would've gotten the announcement last November, then it would've been a typical long wait between announcement and release.
    But how later is way later? November is 7 months away. That is exactly the beta length for WoD and SL. Legion had a 9-month long beta test. Even if the entire alpha test was done internally and already finished and beta tests start immediately after the announcement finishes, November is still highly unlikely.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tiradon View Post
    Got kinda lost in the last few days, anything ever since the 'art' leaked from that print shop?
    Nothing tangible. Hell, we haven't had a fake leak since the 4chan cinematics leak.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gifdwarf View Post
    It's a pretty easy thing to guess for 10.0 tbh, the only thing that intrigues me is the 2022 release date prediction.
    Because it won't be in 2022 at all?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nyel View Post
    Because it won't be in 2022 at all?
    Unless they are secretly way farther ahead than we thought, which I doubt.

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    People, please, it's a basic smell test. They didn't announce a Shadowlands Season 4 with reused content that still has no release date and then said in an interview that seasons last 6 to 8 months because the expansion was going to come out in November.
    Dickmann's Law: As a discussion on the Lore forums becomes longer, the probability of the topic derailing to become about Sylvanas approaches 1.

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    Quote Originally Posted by huth View Post
    I meant WoW2/Revamp. Those aren't quite the same.

    Dragon Isles depends largely on how they do it. A sequel or revamp i'd consider a major waste of resources.
    I was against revamp before SL. But now everything is optional or could be optional in the future. Revamping EK/Kalimdor doesn't mean they have to revamp Outland as well. They could revamp any continent or part of continent and leave older stuff alone. Every inch of content can be reused for max level. It's not Cata anymore where lot of content were wasted for main focused veterans.

    As for Dragon Isles, I expect Pandaria vibes, but more varied this time like SL. 5 zones are safe bet (desert, winter, forest, vulcanic,plaines), maybe 6th final zone if we lucky. And hopefully some new city instead of Dalaran.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wangming View Post
    But how later is way later?
    About six months. I literally said it in my post that if regular Blizzcons were still a thing we possibly would've gotten the announcement last November, albeit far earlier in development.

    I'm not saying that is the case or that I strongly believe in a November release, but if it turns out to be true then this would be my explanation for the speedy turnaround.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Super Dickmann View Post
    People, please, it's a basic smell test. They didn't announce a Shadowlands Season 4 with reused content that still has no release date and then said in an interview that seasons last 6 to 8 months because the expansion was going to come out in November.
    Yeah I'm expecting between December 2022 - March 2023 the least... Especially with season 4 and classic wotlk coming.
    Quote Originally Posted by Firedemon View Post
    No. On these forums any updates mean an expansion hint.
    Wrathin comes back? Dragon expansion clearly!
    LK part of a quest? Wotlk 2 clearly!
    Sylvanas working with a death master? Shadowlands clearly!

    At the point we're headed for Wrath of the Shdowlands Dragon Isles Lich and tinkers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SunspotAnims View Post
    About six months. I literally said it in my post that if regular Blizzcons were still a thing we possibly would've gotten the announcement last November, albeit far earlier in development.

    I'm not saying that is the case or that I strongly believe in a November release, but if it turns out to be true then this would be my explanation for the speedy turnaround.
    Between covid and the walkouts and the layoffs I would sooner believe they are behind, but let us entertain your idea for a bit. So they are six months ahead.
    The time between reveals and releases ranged from 9 months to 16. So with the bonus 6 months, the release is between 3 to 10 months from now. The average of that does seem to be around november, that is true. Granted we can probably rule out the 3 months one, cause the average length of beta tests has been 5.8 months so far.
    If they are done with alpha tests, it is possible to do november, but I highly doubt that. More stuff definitely would have leaked if that were the case.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blayze View Post
    In other words, it's a class thematically linked to a specific race or races, possibly extremely limited in available races, likely with its own unique 1-10 or whatever questing experience.
    Not sure how credible they are but I sincerely hope the whole Dark Ranger / DH parallels don't mean its another elf-only class. Because /puke if thats the case.

  11. #39671
    Quote Originally Posted by Marlamin View Post
    While that was a valid strategy a few years ago, that doesn't work in this day and age. Spoilers get articles written about them that are recommended to people by algorithms, said articles get turned into videos which are also recommended by algorithms and any of these things can be seen by people who will gladly talk about the specifics in in-game trade chat, just to spoil people.
    especially when wowhead which not just a fan website but the first database resource solution plays automatically ad videos mixed with latest wow videos (official and uploaded datamined ones). But we all know that wowhead are the worst...

  12. #39672
    Quote Originally Posted by Gifdwarf View Post
    Unless they are secretly way farther ahead than we thought, which I doubt.
    I think it's pretty safe to assume that the schedule shifted towards this:

    Q4/22: WotLK Classic launch
    Q1/23: Dragonflight

    Although I'd even say that DF will launch in late Q1, so end of March.
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  13. #39673
    Quote Originally Posted by Nyel View Post
    I think it's pretty safe to assume that the schedule shifted towards this:

    Q4/22: WotLK Classic launch
    Q1/23: Dragonflight

    Although I'd even say that DF will launch in late Q1, so end of March.
    Yep and before Q4 we get Season 4 and 9.2.5.

    Seems pretty realistic...
    Quote Originally Posted by Firedemon View Post
    No. On these forums any updates mean an expansion hint.
    Wrathin comes back? Dragon expansion clearly!
    LK part of a quest? Wotlk 2 clearly!
    Sylvanas working with a death master? Shadowlands clearly!

    At the point we're headed for Wrath of the Shdowlands Dragon Isles Lich and tinkers.

  14. #39674
    Quote Originally Posted by Wangming View Post
    God, I hate this pretentious as fuck argument wherever it comes up. "You didn't like the story? Well obviously you are not smart enough". It surely can't be subjective opinion or some shit. People are flat-out wrong. Yep.

    When even Taliesin, the largest WoW shill on youtube says that the Jailer was so bad, undeveloped and uninteresting as a villain that it ruined the story, it is getting harder and harder to argue that SL is some underappreciated masterpiece.
    I'm glad you stopped reading there because at no point did I defend the jailer, and in fact explicitly called him out as a major weak point in the story

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nyel View Post
    I think it's pretty safe to assume that the schedule shifted towards this:

    Q4/22: WotLK Classic launch
    Q1/23: Dragonflight

    Although I'd even say that DF will launch in late Q1, so end of March.
    If seasons are supposed to last 6-8 months then S4 starts late Q3/22 and Dragonflight is up at best in late Q1/23. The match checks out and they basically spelled it for us. I would not even be surprised if the tentative release is in Q2/23

  16. #39676
    Quote Originally Posted by Super Dickmann View Post
    People, please, it's a basic smell test. They didn't announce a Shadowlands Season 4 with reused content that still has no release date and then said in an interview that seasons last 6 to 8 months because the expansion was going to come out in November.
    People are legitimately so addicted that they're looking outside of objective reality.

    I'm reminded of how every single announcement cycle, there is always one person without fail who says, genuinely, "Wouldn't it be cool if they announced it and said 'hey when you guys get home you can get straight into Alpha testing which begins this week! IDK it could happen XD" and you can just imagine the scratch marks and virtual abscesses on their arms.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TomatoBisque View Post
    I'm glad you stopped reading there because at no point did I defend the jailer, and in fact explicitly called him out as a major weak point in the story
    The main issue ofc is that I did not even talk about the story itself but rather about how the narrative is delivered. But hey, you do you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vakir View Post
    People are legitimately so addicted that they're looking outside of objective reality.

    I'm reminded of how every single announcement cycle, there is always one person without fail who says, genuinely, "Wouldn't it be cool if they announced it and said 'hey when you guys get home you can get straight into Alpha testing which begins this week! IDK it could happen XD" and you can just imagine the scratch marks and virtual abscesses on their arms.
    Happened a few pages back. We might get Alpha in the tail end of Q2.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nymrohd View Post
    The main issue ofc is that I did not even talk about the story itself but rather about how the narrative is delivered. But hey, you do you.
    which again is just as bad as it has ever been

    for something to be worse than it was before things have to actually have been better before and not exactly the same

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    Quote Originally Posted by TomatoBisque View Post
    which again is just as bad as it has ever been

    for something to be worse than it was before things have to actually have been better before and not exactly the same
    It is not though. We usually had some basic things available like character motivations. Zovaal can't even do a proper villain monologue about his plans.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skildar View Post
    especially when wowhead which not just a fan website but the first database resource solution plays automatically ad videos mixed with latest wow videos (official and uploaded datamined ones). But we all know that wowhead are the worst...
    This is something that stopping me about writing more. Back in the time before legion announcement noone believes me too.
    I think that the information about race and class that will be closely related to each other (as well as dh + faction selection) is enough to stimulate the imagination for the next few days.

    Yes, its close af - and yes, im (as a player) shocked too. Specially that BFA/SL feels like not so very polished products..

    This information is available since yesterday, there aren't many details, but let's say few "key" ones. You can treat them however you like.
    Anyway - on April 19, everyone will be able to preorder right after the presentation and expect the premiere in autumn 2022.

    Also "feniela" have 100% right in what he wroted above and on previous 2-3 pages.

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