Dragonflight Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[Ersula]

Nozdormu outright said he'll turn into Murozond in time.

The fact that they exist at all shows that nothing is set in stone, temporally speaking.

Nozzy specifically states in End time, after we defeat Muro, that he will turn to madness in time and that we'll have to deal with him.

I mean Tazavesh showed us the infinites are still active as well.

Working as a pirate? That seems to scream "unemployed" to me.

Nozdormu said that but then he got rid of his immortality. Why is that not a factor? Seems like Dragon Soul circumvented End Times, because that was the entire point.

We'll probably get more Infinite time-travel content but it's essentially a side-quest. Their entire existence in the larger narrative is frustrating at worst, an excuse to have fun in particular moments in warcraft history at best.

[Khaza-R]

The “World” part is entirely different actually, all the letters have been touched up.

Could just be a modernization, but maybe they are trying to reboot the brand?

Just trying to make it look better on mobile screens

[Valysar]

The "World logo" revamp means ... World revamp !

[Varx]

Working as a pirate? That seems to scream "unemployed" to me.

Nozdormu said that but then he got rid of his immortality. Why is that not a factor? Seems like Dragon Soul circumvented End Times, because that was the entire point.

He's was the aspect of time....

He knows what his future holds. If he says that's it's gonna happen then it's gonna happen since he has the magic domain to prove it.

If turning Deathwing to fairy dust would prevent the death amanthul showed him then he'd know it.

The only thing that the defeat of DW did time wise was that that event was locked in time and can never be tampered with.

Doesn't mean nozzy isn't corruptible.

Plus we need some one to allow Yrel to come to our timeline.

Blizz ain't gonna groom her to be a villian without a mcguffin to bring her to us.

[Nymrohd]

I think it would be cool to have a Murozond time where we fight Murozond in multiple points in time. So he'd be shifting through time and each phase could be a different room so to speak. He could keep the same abilities and the environment change could provide the rest.

I also have to say I love the original encounter design from End Times. It would likely be very problematic for a raid end boss (since it would depend entirely on stacking the classes whose CDs best match the CD reset timer) but could still be fun.

[ercarp]

18:00 CEST means 19:00 for me, which is perfect. I was worried they would stream it at midnight or something.

[Nymrohd]

He's was the aspect of time....

He knows what his future holds. If he says that's it's gonna happen then it's gonna happen since he has the magic domain to prove it.

If turning Deathwing to fairy dust would prevent the death amanthul showed him then he'd know it.

The only thing that the defeat of DW did time wise was that that event was locked in time and can never be tampered with.

Doesn't mean nozzy isn't corruptible.

Plus we need some one to allow Yrel to come to our timeline.

Blizz ain't gonna groom her to be a villian without a mcguffin to bring her to us.

There is always the Eye of Aman'thul. You don't need Murozond when you have that.

[huth]

One thing I've maintained (and I believe has been proven true) is that the Murozond we encountered back in Cataclysm was not the future Murozond of our timeline. The timeline we went into during End Time wasn't even that Murozond's "home" timeline either. Since it was established that the Murozond we encountered was "outside of time" at that point it is technically unclear which timeline he hailed from.

There's only a single Nozdormu across all timelines. It is our Nozdormu/Murozond because that's the only one that exists.

[Varx]

I think it would be cool to have a Murozond time where we fight Murozond in multiple points in time. So he'd be shifting through time and each phase could be a different room so to speak. He could keep the same abilities and the environment change could provide the rest.

I also have to say I love the original encounter design from End Times. It would likely be very problematic for a raid end boss (since it would depend entirely on stacking the classes whose CDs best match the CD reset timer) but could still be fun.

The way is see it, the final patch of Dragonflight will have us dealing with a shit ton of AU characters, all summond by Muro and the infinites.

Like the climax of the war crimes novel.

Watch the raid have fight made.uo of AU heros from hearthstone. Like the knights of the frozen throne or light Lord Ragnaros.

All as a way to stop the void.


Then we beat him and he summons the final attempt. Yrel and the lightbound.

Boom 11.0.

God I'm fucking unstoppable.

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There is always the Eye of Aman'thul. You don't need Murozond when you have that.

Who's gonna use the eye to bring her back? No one outside the horde knows what happened on Draenor.

No one has anything to gain. Outside of a wacked out Murozond.

[Hugnomo]

I guess I'll go into work an hour earlier that day so I can watch it come 5 pm

[Kiivar86]

Yeah it's literally the worst possible time for EST. If you have even halfway close to a normal job then you're fucked. Honestly dissapointed by the timing choice.

Eh, is it? It'd be noon for EST, lunchtime generally.

At least, it is for me (EST, lunch at work from 11:30 to 12:30). So I'll be sitting relatively pretty. Unless its more than half an hour anyway.

[Varx]

Eh, is it? It'd be noon for EST, lunchtime generally.

At least, it is for me (EST, lunch at work from 11:30 to 12:30). So I'll be sitting relatively pretty. Unless its more than half an hour anyway.

I don't see why it couldn't have been a Saturday.

Like why a fucking Tuesday.

Or at least Friday since they're off I guess.

[huth]

The R and the of are diffferent too

All of the letters are different. The kerning on the one used for WarCraft is also slightly different (check the 'ft').

[micwini]

I just noticed a small new design choice in the next expansion reveal logo
The word "World" has a different font than the usual

Why only circle one part of a letter when the entire word 'world' is thicker? The 'of' in is also bgger. My theory is that they made the 'world' thicker, because it has more substance = the world has more substance = world revamp. Lets go!

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18:00 CEST means 19:00 for me, which is perfect. I was worried they would stream it at midnight or something.

Its 9:00 in the morning for NA. How can regular people expected to be available then :P Really weird, esp when most of the time EU gets the stick with the times.

[ercarp]

I wouldn't read too much into the logo change. To me, it just looks like a more polished version of the old vector-style logo, which was a bit rough around the edges. The slightly bolder letters on the word "WORLD" also make it look a bit more cohesive and easier to read, which I like. Remains to be seen if this same design will carry on to the actual expansion logo though.

[Varx]

Holy shit... I just thought of the "red star in the sky" for the end of Dragonflight...

After we defeat Murozond. The dark portal will turn yellow.

That or just choose a spot somewhere and have a huge time portal just floating untill the pre patch has Yrel in the LB walking out of it.

[Mace]

One thing I've maintained (and I believe has been proven true) is that the Murozond we encountered back in Cataclysm was not the future Murozond of our timeline. The timeline we went into during End Time wasn't even that Murozond's "home" timeline either. Since it was established that the Murozond we encountered was "outside of time" at that point it is technically unclear which timeline he hailed from.


I think that the Murozond we encountered came from a timeline where the "fate worse than End Time" ("I have witnessed the true End Time. This? This is a blessing you simply cannot comprehend.") occurred and he knew (or at least, thought) that the same fate was going to happen to our timeline. So he instead lured us into a different timeline where the Old Gods had succeeded in causing the Hour of Twilight (with Deathwing impaled on top of Wyrmrest Temple) and claimed it to be a far better fate than what he had experienced.


And as the expansions have gone on and the cosmic scale being brought before us -- even with the Jailer saying we must stand united against "what is to come" -- it seems ripe for Nozdormu to potentially see a far worse fate to happen than the Hour of Twilight.


TL;DR... if Blizzard decides to continue that story (so far removed from it now though, I don't think it will have any real impact) they are still within conditions of their already established lore to do so.

Yeh, there is always a far worse fate... am I the only one that wants to go back to zones and race x moving against y and trying to establish some normalcy and progress.

Whiles it is possible the Murozond we kill is the same Murozond with some minor explanation, it is easily possible he isnt

That stupid excuse for Rhonin experiencing the War of the Ancients and altering the events - happens because of the infinite flight's interference This is where we first sss them. Now while the trilogy was meant to tell the original epic saga of the war of the Ancients, the original timeline had the invasion and war last over 250 years. But the infinitesimal interference reduces that to a mere few months, it can be a legit excuse as to why the kaldorei post WC3 drop in power so much , hell you could even use the infinite flight's interference to explain the cha ges in lore for night elves that happened between wc3 and wow, where they went from the first race to awaken, to instead being evolved magic juices dark trolls, and all the other changes and retcon blizzard did. Maybe even have the night elves try to restore their original history and gain some power ups in a side story.


Anyway, they wanted a human and orc to be a part 9f the Nighf elf story, so created the infinite flight as a means to get Rhonin and Krasus back there because somehow we would relate to them more than a night elf as a star of their own story.

It was left forgotten till cata, but has since come up when dragons have been focused on. I guess End times was not big enough a stage so I wouodnt be surprised they return.

Given the origin of the flight tied to the War of Ancients, Imwonder if this and the Jailer's "what is to come" along with Murozond's "blessing compared to the true End Time" has something to do with Azshara heading for the true throne of power.

[ercarp]

Its 9:00 in the morning for NA. How can regular people expected to be available then :P Really weird, esp when most of the time EU gets the stick with the times.

BlizzCon has always been really late in EU, so from my perspective this is actually the first time we get to watch an announcement for something at a reasonable hour.

[micwini]

BlizzCon has always been really late in EU, so from my perspective this is actually the first time we get to watch an announcement for something at a reasonable hour.

Yes, but Blizzcon is on weekends most of the time right? This a tuesday.

[Catastrophy349]

I'm thankful I have that week off of work. Will be exciting to speculate/discuss the announcement for an entire day (post announcement).