Dragonflight Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[Varx]

No see, we killed Murozond in Endtime, but we still need to have Nozdormu turn into him in the first place.

The fact that you have to explain that to someone seriously makes me wanna push my palm through my forehead.

Like nozzy specifically states in end time that in time he will turn to madness, and yet they still say we already dealt with Muro.

Ffs...

[Catastrophy349]

Yes, it's obviously that we will get a post from Blizzard regarding next week's reveal. I am saying that "he" said we will get a post from Blizzard TODAY regarding next Tuesday's information.

https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/ne...al-on-april-19 Guess Towelliee was right

[Vakir]

Time for everyone to lose their shit over "august adventures" despite it meaning little.

[micwini]

https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/ne...al-on-april-19 Guess Towelliee was right

Me too! Wow im so proud of myself. Pretty weird time for a reveal. 18:00 is not ideal for EU, but NA has it even worse. 09:00 in the morning? What.

[Mace]

No see, we killed Murozond in Endtime, but we still need to have Nozdormu turn into him in the first place.

Or they can just entirely not bother like they have done with a lot of things Skip it all together. We have been dealing with the infinite fought since the War of the Ancient trilogy they planned in 2000

The people who conceived it have long since gone,, it seems a side plot.

However since we kill Murozond in an alternate future, theoretically he still has to happen and be stopped. But I just dont have the capacity to care.

[Kiivar86]

Is it all that hard to guess they'd put up a reminder post exactly one week before the reveal?

[Fahrad Wagner]

Do we have any details yet regarding the hour and the format of the announcement? I probably won't be free but eh it's worth the shot!

[Catastrophy349]

Is it all that hard to guess they'd put up a reminder post exactly one week before the reveal?

This is the internet, so yes.

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Do we have any details yet regarding the hour and the format of the announcement? I probably won't be free but eh it's worth the shot!

Just 12 P.M. EST on YouTube/Twitch

[Raetary]

Do we have any details yet regarding the hour and the format of the announcement? I probably won't be free but eh it's worth the shot!

18:00 CET.

No format.
Likely a pre-recorded premiere than a livestream.

[Santandame]

I think we'll see Chromatus in WoW. If Hearthstone gave us an official look of him, and if WoW HAS taken concepts from HS before (Like the Turtle people), then I think 10.0 COULD give us our first look at WoW's Tiamat.

How long until you change your forum name to Chromatus, including him as your avatar while always mentioning how much more powerful he is than any other character.

So far we've had Sargeras, Argus, and now currently a First One themed account with a preference of the Jailer.

Don't let us down.

[Grimbold21]

The real question, or game, one should be asking is: who wrote the following?

World of Warcraft has ignited imaginations through rich storytelling and expansive worlds that prevail throughout the Shadowlands expansion.

[Marlamin]

The real question, or game, one should be asking is: who wrote the following?

World of Warcraft has ignited imaginations through rich storytelling and expansive worlds that prevail throughout the Shadowlands expansion.

I'm sure you won't believe this...

but it was...

The marketing team.

I know, crazy stuff.

[micwini]

I feel like the expansion is still in super early development. Just a time, thats it. No schedule even. I'm not expecting the usual 2x 1 hour panel going in depth about the new expansion. I feel like there will just be some trailers; an 30 min event max. With actual in depth stuff coming 6 months from now.

[Fahrad Wagner]

18:00 CET.

No format.
Likely a pre-recorded premiere than a livestream.

Thanks bubs!

[micwini]

I'm sure you won't believe this...

but it was...

The marketing team.

I know, crazy stuff.

I don't know how it works in the US, but lying isn't allowed in marketing.... right?

[Varx]

Is it possible to have my own rank come the 19 and all my predictions come true.

Was thinking "prophet". Or "the chosen one".

[Zelk]

I feel like the expansion is still in super early development. Just a time, thats it. No schedule even. I'm not expecting the usual 2x 1 hour panel going in depth about the new expansion. I feel like there will just be some trailers; an 30 min event max. With actual in depth stuff coming 6 months from now.

If that is the case why not wait 6 months to announce the expansion? There's absolutely no reason to announce now if they have nothing to show.

[therumblings]

Is it possible to have my own rank come the 19 and all my predictions come true.

Was thinking "prophet". Or "the chosen one".

If we get Tinkers in a Dragon expansion? Then definitely.

[Wangming]

Yes, because not understanding something and not knowing something are two completely different matters. And not "what the story is about". They're ignorant of what the story is. I.e. they don't know the story proper, their complaints are just based on some random bits they snapped up.

For that matter, this lack has nothing to do with the story being to hard for them to understand (because it really isn't that complex) and a lot with them not bothering to even check what it is.

Well, ideally the story wouldn't be that hard to "check". This is another failing of the story. Important chunks are delegated to novels, short stories, manga and the like. It is fine to flesh out the world in extra material, but how Sylvanas was convinced to go along with this mad scheme is vital to the story of not just Shadowlands but BfA as well. Only really answering that in a book is a SIN.

Now since I'm off work I had time to sit down with some tea and carefully read the whole post that started this whole argument. And I'm still not convinced. To those with a similarly tight schedule, here is the TL;DR:

1) The story was always kinda shit.
2) Shadowlands has a central message that is actually presented well.

Which is fine and all, but the meaning of a story, the plot, and the storytelling are three very different things.

1. The Meaning: This is the message conveyed. In Shadowlands there are two messages. The first is that vengeance sucks, it will destroy your life, you should let it go and live your life to the fullest. The second is that guys and dickheads and can't relate to the everyday struggles of people (which is incidentally also why people want to go back to simple stories that relate to people).

2. The Plot: You follow a villain you are sick of, into a place you are no business being in while you are alive, to rescue characters you don't care about, and this way stop an evil plan that won't be revealed untill much much later. I get it, the second point is subjective, and I know Anduin has lots of fans for some reason, but seriously if the story left it up to you, who would go to hell to bring back Baine? Or even Thrall who hasn't really been that interesting these past ten years. Now people here generally agree that the story of SL is still miles better than in BfA. And I totally agree with that. But as it is, it is really hard to care about what happens to any of these people. Tyrande was the best part for sure, but even with her new ripped shoulders she can't carry this whole mess on her back.

3. The presentation: I have already touched upon this, but this is honestly where Shadowlands fails the hardest in my opinion. Tie in books aren't new, I know. ÍBut come on, not only is "Let them buy a book that explains the story of a subscription based MMO" kinda scummy from a business standpoint, but "I will not explain the motivation of the central figure. That's Christie's job." is just sloppy storytelling.

So TL;DR: Shadowlands is a boring story with cool themes, told badly.
That is not colossally bad, but out of the things that are actually in the game, the story is the worst. Many agree that by 9.2.5 the gameplay managed to outgrow most of the hiccups that beta testers complained about. The main problem is that too little was given with too much space between them.

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If we get Tinkers in a Dragon expansion? Then definitely.

Don't you mean Dragons in the Tinker expansion? You know, all expansions since MoP were Tinker expansions. Their release is just being delayed constantly.

[ClassicPeon]

I feel like the expansion is still in super early development. Just a time, thats it. No schedule even. I'm not expecting the usual 2x 1 hour panel going in depth about the new expansion. I feel like there will just be some trailers; an 30 min event max. With actual in depth stuff coming 6 months from now.

I never really expected more then 30 minute talk about it tbh. Not even a trailer.

I dont know how far they are with the expansion but i am hoping for a little info on what we will be doing/where we will be going on what they are going to be doing to classes. We havent had any meaningfull class changes since Legion and this game revolves mostly arounds its gameplay.