Dragonflight Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[Blayze]

So for the shadowlands and timelines

You have a thread which is the first death
Then every version of that character that dies is like a memory download

Kinda like the avatar one body many lives

But then you'd be damned to whatever afterlife the first version of you that died earned. Were you a good boy? Fuck you, your Hitler alternate self got isekai'd by Truck-kun first, and now you're one of countless memory dumps in their mind as they rot in the Maw.

[Ersula]

It's a silly argument anyway. Blizzard has straight-up told us that Affliction was actually based on Necromancer/Scourge ideas. Warlock already incorporates Necromancer themes as part of its class design.

That's part of the logic behind covenant cosmetics. In Wrath Necromancers are describes as a kind of "Dark Pact" caster that uses Shadow & Frost. That describes all three caster classes in some way & all three have access to Necromancer cosmetics through the Necrolord Covenant.

Races & Classes are on opposite sides of the gameplay spectrum in that Races affect gameplay very little & Classes affect gameplay immensely: You could call this tactile/abstract development with things that directly affect gameplay being "tactile," while things that are more ambient to the lore & feeling of the world would be "abstract" development. I don't think Blizzard takes Class Skins seriously because that firmly resides in the "abstract" sphere, even moreso than Races, and they always prioritize "tactile" development over "abstract" development. "Abstract" development is important but its always created as a byproduct of the "tactile" development. For example, transmogs are considered rewards for content, not content in & of themselves.

So they're likely saying right now "Class Skins are not a priority because what they're actually asking for is very specific cosmetic rewards, which will naturally be added over time" for example, a Darkfallen allied race & heritage armor will likely sate people's desire for Dark Rangers. Necrolord cosmetics for Necromancers. etc.

I want Bards the most but by analyzing Blizzard's internal logic, I think a Dragon themed class is most likely. They've just been giving players Tinker & Instrument themed transmogs lately to satisfy those people.

[Revamp Man]

But then you'd be damned to whatever afterlife the first version of you that died earned. Were you a good boy? Fuck you, your Hitler alternate self got isekai'd by Truck-kun first, and now you're one of countless memory dumps in their mind as they rot in the Maw.

The only part of the afterlives that was permanent was the maw

The others are literally “hey it’s not working out go back to the arbiter”

[TheFirstOnes]

Yup, an Embrace happened during Kalecgos' ascension as an Aspect of the Blue.

Though really, the planet got hit by a giant sword and was almost drilled to death since then. Maybe that affects the rotation a bit.

Yeah, thought so lmaooo...

Don't forget the nightmares N'Zoth likely gave Azeroth also. At this rate, I could go for a Dragon Isles Magical fantasy expac, with us fighting a Tiamat and exploring places such as the Undermine before entering another Cosmic plot/realm...

[ercarp]

Tinfoil-fueled ramblings coming through. Feel free to ignore this.

I must be the only one who actually got hung up on the usage of the word "august" in one of the announcement of the announcement posts by Blizzard.

Mark your Calendars! On April 19 at 9 a.m. PDT, you won’t want to miss what august adventures await the heroes of Azeroth next.

I think it's such a strangely archaic word to throw in the middle of an otherwise completely normal post. Surely it has to be a clue!

Could it mean the August Celestials are making a return? At least one of them is a dragon... sort of... and they're Wild Gods which means they're linked to Life, which in turn is linked to dragons if the "Dragons = Life" theory is proven to be true (personally, I would say it makes too much sense to not be the case).

There were also some semi-interesting interactions between Wrathion and Yu'lon in MoP which most people probably forgot about by now. Could be foreshadowing something.

Yu'lon says: Tell me, dragon-child. What is the nature of wisdom?
Wrathion says: To do what is right, no matter the cost. That is wisdom.
Yu'lon says: Spoken like a true child of the Aspects. Always seeking to change the world.
Yu'lon says: But true wisdom comes from KNOWING what is right. And sometimes DOING nothing at all.
Wrathion says: When is it ever wise not to act for the greater good?

Just in general, Yu'lon has a fairly decent chunk of kind-of-pretentious "wisdom quotes" (“There is but one certainty - every end marks a new beginning.”) that could easily be retroactively twisted into some kind of foreshadowing.

I realize all of this is a massive leap of logic based on nothing other than a single word, so don't take it too seriously. I think it's still interesting to speculate on these kinds of things, and isn't that what this thread is for anyway?

But even if their use of this word doesn't mean anything, I don't think it would actually be that big of an assumption to say that we might be seeing the August Celestials again. The question is, just how relevant would they be to the story? Because I can't personally imagine an expansion where they would be taking the center stage. Even in MoP, they weren't that important to the overall plot of the expansion.

[TheFirstOnes]

Tinfoil-fueled ramblings coming through. Feel free to ignore this.

I must be the only one who actually got hung up on the usage of the word "august" in one of the announcement of the announcement posts by Blizzard.



I think it's such a strangely archaic word to throw in the middle of an otherwise completely normal post. Surely it has to be a clue!

Could it mean the August Celestials are making a return? At least one of them is a dragon... sort of... and they're Wild Gods which means they're linked to Life, which in turn is linked to dragons if the "Dragons = Life" theory is proven to be true (personally, I would say it makes too much sense to not be the case).

There were also some semi-interesting interactions between Wrathion and Yu'lon in MoP which most people probably forgot about by now. Could be foreshadowing something.



Just in general, Yu'lon has a fairly decent chunk of kind-of-pretentious "wisdom quotes" (“There is but one certainty - every end marks a new beginning.”) that could easily be retroactively twisted into some kind of foreshadowing.

I realize all of this is a massive leap of logic based on nothing other than a single word, so don't take it too seriously. I think it's still interesting to speculate on these kinds of things, and isn't that what this thread is for anyway?

But even if their use of this word doesn't mean anything, I don't think it would actually be that big of an assumption to say that we might be seeing the August Celestials again. The question is, just how relevant would they be to the story? Because I can't personally imagine an expansion where they would be taking the center stage. Even in MoP, they weren't that important to the overall plot of the expansion.

August = Dignified, impressive, or honorable.

Just means the next adventure the Heroes of Azeroth shall go through will be a dignified, or simply awe-inspiring journey.

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I mean, if we do in fact see the August Celestials, that could just be an addition to the whole Life/Elune plot, which could definitely factor in the Dragonflight expac. I do think we'll enter the Planes of Life or Order next after 10.0 ends.

[ercarp]

August = Dignified, impressive, or honorable.

Just means the next adventure the Heroes of Azeroth shall go through will be a dignified, or simply awe-inspiring journey.

I know the definition of the word, but it doesn't change the fact that it's not a word you see used in this context particularly often. Usually when someone says "august" nowadays, they're talking about the month.

[Ersula]

The only part of the afterlives that was permanent was the maw

The others are literally “hey it’s not working out go back to the arbiter”

How does that make anything better? Garrosh got the maw, but they even clarified in Legion we only saw the "worst possible version of him" and that in any other timeline he was a great hero.

We're just pointing out they were really doing a speedrun of "worst canonical statements we can make about this existential universe."

[ercarp]

I do think we'll enter the Planes of Life or Order next after 10.0 ends.

With Blizzard's track record of squeezing entirely too much into a single expansion (BfA went through Nazjatar and Ny'alotha), I wouldn't be surprised if we went there already in 10.2 or 10.3.

But there are also theories that the Dragon Isles are the Plane of Life, so who knows how it's gonna be. I personally think the Plane of Life is probably located on or inside the Moon.

[Sondrelk]

I know the definition of the word, but it doesn't change the fact that it's not a word you see used in this context particularly often. Usually when someone says "august" nowadays, they're talking about the month.

Despite August being a very early timeframe I really cannot help but think that the obvious solution is as always be best solution here. Something WoW related will become available in August. Referencing the August celestials, or using it in it's extremely archaic form seems like a stretch when there is a myriad of options for something WoW related coming out in August.

What it could be is a better question though. The expansion releasing seems like a bit of a long-shot given the Alpha/Beta cycle would be just barely enough time if the Alpha opens almost immediately after, and the launch is at the very end of August.
9.2.5 seems like a bit too far awayy if that is what they are going for, and even Season 4 coming out much later than the actual 9.2.5 patch seems like a stretch when it's so far off.
Maybe it's a surprise 9.3 bridge patch between SL and 10.0 using reused assets, and generally focusing on content that isnt strictly new content, but which could be considered as such. Examples being Adventure mode for older content giving max level gear. Or Timewalking raids or dungeons getting more updates. All dungeons from WoD added to the Timewalking M+ rotation, and maybe the regular M+ rotation like Grimrail depot will be in Season 4.

might seem a bit much, but I definitely cannot see why Blizzard would use August in such an old fashioned way when most people would assume it's related to the month august instead.



Or maybe it is as someone said. Just a PR writers using a thesaurus a bit too enthusiastically.

[huth]

So they're likely saying right now "Class Skins are not a priority because what they're actually asking for is very specific cosmetic rewards, which will naturally be added over time" for example, a Darkfallen allied race & heritage armor will likely sate people's desire for Dark Rangers. Necrolord cosmetics for Necromancers. etc.

I don't think you quite grasped what is meant by class skins. A Necromancer based armour set for cloth classes is not it.

[TheFirstOnes]

With Blizzard's track record of squeezing entirely too much into a single expansion (BfA went through Nazjatar and Ny'alotha), I wouldn't be surprised if we went there already in 10.2 or 10.3.

But there are also theories that the Dragon Isles are the Plane of Life, so who knows how it's gonna be. I personally think the Plane of Life is probably located on or inside the Moon.

I thought this same way regarding Shadowlands alone, but understand that Dragonflight is about Dragons, which house Azerothian origin, and the Dragons exist to protect Azeroth entire, so the main setting should more or less simply be about the Dragon isles, and MAYBE other areas on Azeroth as well, such as maybe an unknown Titanic facility, the Undermine maybe?

[ercarp]

Despite August being a very early timeframe I really cannot help but think that the obvious solution is as always be best solution here. Something WoW related will become available in August. Referencing the August celestials, or using it in it's extremely archaic form seems like a stretch when there is a myriad of options for something WoW related coming out in August.

What it could be is a better question though. The expansion releasing seems like a bit of a long-shot given the Alpha/Beta cycle would be just barely enough time if the Alpha opens almost immediately after, and the launch is at the very end of August.
9.2.5 seems like a bit too far awayy if that is what they are going for, and even Season 4 coming out much later than the actual 9.2.5 patch seems like a stretch when it's so far off.
Maybe it's a surprise 9.3 bridge patch between SL and 10.0 using reused assets, and generally focusing on content that isnt strictly new content, but which could be considered as such. Examples being Adventure mode for older content giving max level gear. Or Timewalking raids or dungeons getting more updates. All dungeons from WoD added to the Timewalking M+ rotation, and maybe the regular M+ rotation like Grimrail depot will be in Season 4.

might seem a bit much, but I definitely cannot see why Blizzard would use August in such an old fashioned way when most people would assume it's related to the month august instead.



Or maybe it is as someone said. Just a PR writers using a thesaurus a bit too enthusiastically.

All good points, a surprise 9.3 announcement for August alongside the expansion announcement would be interesting.

It could also be an opportunity to throw some parallels at The Ruby Sanctum raid they added at the end of WotLK, seeing as we appear to be once again going from a death-themed expansion into a dragon-themed one.

[Ersula]

I don't think you quite grasped what is meant by class skins. A Necromancer based armour set for cloth classes is not it.

No I did, I also explained why that won't happen in my post. Cosmetics are never a priority on their own. Even the customization revamp was a "you'll get whatever we can scrape together if we have time" situation. Class skins would be an enormous project for no gameplay.

[ercarp]

I thought this same way regarding Shadowlands alone, but understand that Dragonflight is about Dragons, which house Azerothian origin, and the Dragons exist to protect Azeroth entire, so the main setting should more or less simply be about the Dragon isles, and MAYBE other areas on Azeroth as well, such as maybe an unknown Titanic facility, the Undermine maybe?

I would hope so, honestly. The cosmic stuff really needs to take a major backseat for at least the next two years. I would love it if the patch zones of 10.0 were all on Azeroth.

There's gotta be a Titan facility on the Dragon Isles for sure. I'm betting on Uldorus personally.

Undermine seems a bit out of left field for the dragon theme, but maybe they could make it work. It could be a fun Mechagon-style zone (except with goblins instead of diaper gnomes).

Also, give me Tel'Abim or give me death.

[Ersula]

There's gotta be a Titan facility on the Dragon Isles for sure. I'm betting on Uldorus personally.

I thought it was pronounced Ulitoris

[Polybius]

No I did, I also explained why that won't happen in my post. Cosmetics are never a priority on their own. Even the customization revamp was a "you'll get whatever we can scrape together if we have time" situation. Class skins would be an enormous project for no gameplay.

That depends. If they’re as described in one of the unconfirmed ‘leaks’ they’ll be earned and placed in a collections interface. With recolors and whatnot, like glyphs.

[Edoll]

I know the definition of the word, but it doesn't change the fact that it's not a word you see used in this context particularly often. Usually when someone says "august" nowadays, they're talking about the month.

August isn’t really that rare among nerds and geeks, which presumably most WoW players are. Like beholder, it has a very different meaning for a D&D player than the average person.

[Chickat]

I stole what I wrote in another thread, but here it is.

Does anyone think M+ timer is stressful and unnecessary?

So I think that they should cap the rewards at key 15 or 20. Remove, or greatly extend the timer. Its not fun to feel rushed.

Any key above 19 is just for prestige. Keys above 20 also add the timer back in so you don't run into the lust issue.

1-19 increased rewards. No timer. Harder than now, but CC and old-school dungeon gameplay expected.
20-Challenge mode Mythic+ dungeon. Cosmetic Armor set for each class, each expansion. Limited time. New tint of set every season.
21+ Prestige only for leaderboards. No further rewards.

[Raetary]

That depends. If they’re as described in one of the unconfirmed ‘leaks’ they’ll be earned and placed in a collections interface. With recolors and whatnot, like glyphs.

Turning glyphs into a transmog-like spell appearance system would be fucking great.