Dragonflight Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[Three Faced Goddess]

You mean the Tinker April Fool's thing? I thought it was rather amusing that people thought that removed the Tinker from consideration. The Tinker concept entered Warcraft via an April Fool's gag back in 2004.

With that said, I do feel that the actual leak from Blizzard is indicative of the Tinker not appearing in the next expansion as a class. It is still a possibility, but I think a higher possibility is a dragon class based on Alexstraza HotS. If that leaked pic is real (and I believe it is), it's no different than LK, Chen, or Illidan on their covers of their respective expansions heralding their classes into the game.

No, I was worried the people here finally got to you. Oh I agree that Tinker will still happen, but perhaps not in the upcoming expansion. I admit I've greatly warmed up to the idea of a dragon inspired class now that I've put more thought into it. I really hope 10.0 is awesome brings me back because I don't want to be as upset with WoW as I was in SLs. I still hate SLs lore and no more LK/the damage I feel that it did, but I love Azeroth and its races.

Weren't Dark Rangers also an April Fool's Joke once as well?

[Revamp Man]

That's how everyone gets the maw: Revendreth decides whether or not you're a lost cause. That doesn't change my point. Garrosh sets up a terrible precedent.

Oribos = Ouroboros = The Great Cycle = Transmigration of Souls

No garrosh doesn’t set a precedent because the only reason he was in the maw was because of denathrius and the jailer interfering

Bastion: you don’t ascend then you get kicked back to oribos
Maldraxxus: you either pledge to a house and fit in one of the virtues or go back to oribos
Ardenweald: you need a tie to nature just to get there
Revendreth: if you can repent then you can become a member of the venthyr or go to oribos but if you can’t then you get cleansed and if even that fails you get chucked into the maw

Thing is the maw wasn’t really used outside of the corrupted leader being corrupt

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Wasn't that legion? BfA had some of them but a lot less than legion, and they were already taking more time than legion

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Its just a variation of the Ouroboros https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ourobo...20in%20alchemy.

BfA had the “kill X” quests
SL has the “power up X by killing mobs, now kill Y amount of mobs, now kill Z”

[Teriz]

He really didn't stay long huh?

Varx has a tendency to go a bit overboard, unfortunately.

No, I was worried the people here finally got to you. Oh I agree that Tinker will still happen, but perhaps not in the upcoming expansion. I admit I've greatly warmed up to the idea of a dragon inspired class now that I've put more thought into it. I really hope 10.0 is awesome brings me back because I don't want to be as upset with WoW as I was in SLs. I still hate SLs lore and no more LK/the damage I feel that it did, but I love Azeroth and its races.

If this is going the way I think it's going, I think a lot of people will be pleased by the next expansion.

Weren't Dark Rangers also an April Fool's Joke once as well?

Nope. Only the Tinker was.

[Izalla]

On the subject of the much maligned "micro classes", send rightly so; there is one implementation of them that I would be a fan of.

Lets say you have one spec unlocked for these four projected classes - Dragon Knight, Bard, Tinker, Chronomancer.

There are other available specs, but you have to unlock them. You unlock them via a long, non time/rep gated quest chain that culminates with a difficult solo scenario, similar to the Mage Tower but not as difficult but still requiring some skill.

For example, you want to unlock the Tinker tank spec. You embark on a long quest chain, which takes you to various parts of Azeroth with a link to Tinkers as a theme. Let's say, the sail barge in Thousand Needles, Undermine, a revamped Gnomeregan. At each point in the quest chain, you temporarily unlock the tank spec abilities as they're taught to you, and you learn to control and master them. Eventually, it culminates in a solo scenario that also requires a level of skill to complete where you put all of the abilities together and play in that spec for the scenario, which would also help with teaching you how to play the complete package of that spec. For Tinkers, let's say its in The Motherlode instance, but updated to reflect the scenario and storyline.

You complete it and voila, RPG wise your character has learned a new skill, rather than just instantly being a master of its craft and having all specs unlocked, and your previous gadget/gunner specialist DPS Tinker can now pilot and repair mechs, and can now tank as a role.

I understand this wouldn't be to everyone's taste, but it is an interesting concept that adds some more flavour back into the RPG aspect of the game.

I think this would be complained about to an incredible degree but I enjoy the idea and I like class focused quests so I personally would like something like this even for any class that is leveling up in order to unlock certain abilities (like the old class quests).

[Three Faced Goddess]

Varx has a tendency to go a bit overboard, unfortunately.



If this is going the way I think it's going, I think a lot of people will be pleased by the next expansion.



Nope. Only the Tinker was.

I hope you're right about that!

Huh, would have sworn they were once. Maybe it wasn't from Blizzard and instead someone else's little joke.

[Catastrophy349]

We are in for a HUGE treat, soon!

[Teriz]

On the subject of the much maligned "micro classes", send rightly so; there is one implementation of them that I would be a fan of.

Lets say you have one spec unlocked for these four projected classes - Dragon Knight, Bard, Tinker, Chronomancer.

There are other available specs, but you have to unlock them. You unlock them via a long, non time/rep gated quest chain that culminates with a difficult solo scenario, similar to the Mage Tower but not as difficult but still requiring some skill.

For example, you want to unlock the Tinker tank spec. You embark on a long quest chain, which takes you to various parts of Azeroth with a link to Tinkers as a theme. Let's say, the sail barge in Thousand Needles, Undermine, a revamped Gnomeregan. At each point in the quest chain, you temporarily unlock the tank spec abilities as they're taught to you, and you learn to control and master them. Eventually, it culminates in a solo scenario that also requires a level of skill to complete where you put all of the abilities together and play in that spec for the scenario, which would also help with teaching you how to play the complete package of that spec. For Tinkers, let's say its in The Motherlode instance, but updated to reflect the scenario and storyline.

You complete it and voila, RPG wise your character has learned a new skill, rather than just instantly being a master of its craft and having all specs unlocked, and your previous gadget/gunner specialist DPS Tinker can now pilot and repair mechs, and can now tank as a role.

I understand this wouldn't be to everyone's taste, but it is an interesting concept that adds some more flavour back into the RPG aspect of the game.

My problem with this, and the micro-class idea in general is why would Blizzard do this instead of simply create a new 3-spec class that would require less work, yet garner a higher payoff?

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We are in for a HUGE treat, soon!

As long as its a new class, I will be satisfied.

[plz delete account]

I mean in terms of cosmic force theme. Dragons are connected to Life.

Red and Green, yes.

Black is connected to the elements, Blue and Bronze to Arcane.

[Izalla]

Sidenote, if/when they add any new races or classes, please for the love of all that is holy, Blizz, add more character slots per account. I'm an altaholic and I'm begging you. I know I don't need them and every time this ever gets brought up people always say "you can't actually play 50 characters anyway so why would you need more?" but guys just let me have my own fun! There are too many class/race combos that are meaningful lorewise and so many different customization options on top of that!

[Kiria]

My problem with this, and the micro-class idea in general is why would Blizzard do this instead of simply create a new 3-spec class that would require less work, yet garner a higher payoff?

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As long as its a new class, I will be satisfied.

Welcome back bud, hope you're well.

[Three Faced Goddess]

We are in for a HUGE treat, soon!

Whisper us your sweet nothings, Mr. TotallyNotADev.

[Vladier]

How does that make anything better? Garrosh got the maw, but they even clarified in Legion we only saw the "worst possible version of him" and that in any other timeline he was a great hero.

We're just pointing out they were really doing a speedrun of "worst canonical statements we can make about this existential universe."

No, what was said was:

Anachronos says: Garrosh Hellscream... Such a pity how things turned out.
Anachronos says: In countless potential timelines, he was seen as a great hero of his people. Some called him the Horde's greatest warchief.
Anachronos says: What you saw here was one of his worst possible incarnations. A waste.

Not "the worst", "one of [the] worst", there is a difference. Also, not "every other", "in countless potential timelines". We know that there is an infinity of timelines, which means that even with the timelines straying too far from the Prime Timeline being erased from existence there are countless potential timelines where Garrosh isn't evil, just as there are countless timelines where he is just as evil (the one that just has one less blade of grass in Mulgore, for example) and even countless timelines where he is even worse. And given that Garrosh was sent to Revendreth rather than the Maw, one can presume that the Arbiter is capable of knowing that Garrosh was capable of not being evil by looking at his soul.

[SniperCT]

We are in for a HUGE treat, soon!

soon or soon (tm) lol

19th can't come soon enough

[Teriz]

Source?

I don't know if you've figured this out already, but the person you're responding to accurately stated that 7.0 would be called Legion, bring back Illidan, and introduce the DH class about a week before it happened.

It would appear that history may repeat itself.....

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Welcome back bud, hope you're well.

Thank you.

[Revamp Man]

We are in for a HUGE treat, soon!

Calm down the larp for a few days

[Catastrophy349]

soon or soon (tm) lol

19th can't come soon enough

April 19th for the announcement, for sure. However, we may be seeing a few "leaks" online between now and then.

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Calm down the larp for a few days

Chill, dude. I'm excited AF for the reveal like everyone else. Don't be a buzzkill.

[Izalla]

I stole what I wrote in another thread, but here it is.

Does anyone think M+ timer is stressful and unnecessary?

So I think that they should cap the rewards at key 15 or 20. Remove, or greatly extend the timer. Its not fun to feel rushed.

Any key above 19 is just for prestige. Keys above 20 also add the timer back in so you don't run into the lust issue.

1-19 increased rewards. No timer. Harder than now, but CC and old-school dungeon gameplay expected.
20-Challenge mode Mythic+ dungeon. Cosmetic Armor set for each class, each expansion. Limited time. New tint of set every season.
21+ Prestige only for leaderboards. No further rewards.

Yes but whenever I see this brought up, anyone who voices this opinion is told they are just bad at the game and they shouldn't be allowed to get any kind of reward if they can't beat the timer (ignoring that no one ever made this about being unable to beat the timer. And even then, who gives a shit if someone takes ages to clear a dungeon you cleared right away? It's like saying a group that only reaches the last raid boss just before the tier ends doesn't deserve the loot that drops. You already got your loot ages ago and moved on, what the heck does it hurt you if little Jimmy Noobington wants to beat his head into a mythic dungeon for hours until he manages to clear it?

Sorry, I'm a bit salty, I hate the timers and they ruined dungeons for me. I got silver challenge mode in Mists only for the mount and I hated every second of it and had zero interest in getting gold despite my group being fully capable of it (they did go on to do it with a different healer who wanted the armour because I hated it too much).

[Revamp Man]

I don't know if you've figured this out already, but the person you're responding to accurately stated that 7.0 would be called Legion, bring back Illidan, and introduce the DH class about a week before it happened.

It would appear that history may repeat itself.....

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Thank you.

But dude
I had people believing me when I may or may not have posted predictions from 8.2.5 to 8.3
Didn’t mean I knew anything

Also Jericho correctly predicted stuff before but he was Making stuff up for 9.0 relying on his previous statements

This guy could be legit but he is also being super vague and then the release date is 100% not possible and it’s like he forgot about season 4 when he said “oh it’s maybe canceled” but it’s being tested now

Give me something to sink my teeth into instead of “a new class connected to a new race” which is the same as monk

[Teriz]

But dude
I had people believing me when I may or may not have posted predictions from 8.2.5 to 8.3
Didn’t mean I knew anything

Also Jericho correctly predicted stuff before but he was Making stuff up for 9.0 relying on his previous statements

This guy could be legit but he is also being super vague and then the release date is 100% not possible and it’s like he forgot about season 4 when he said “oh it’s maybe canceled” but it’s being tested now

Give me something to sink my teeth into instead of “a new class connected to a new race” which is the same as monk

Those are all good points, and yes the poster is being rather vague, whereas their past predictions were far more decisive.

Thankfully we're less than a week away, and we can put all of this speculative nonsense behind us. I am glad that we at least have the website leak and the leaked picture. We can at least sink our teeth into that until the 19th.

[Nightshade711]

There is info about release date which is very close... Also for example: 1 race with 1 class related to this race.

Drakonids/Dragonkin and a Dragonsworn class would be pretty cool.
Assuming they keep the rule of 'class must match the expansion theme' I think this is the most likely outcome.

While I doubt it, would be neat if they used Drakonids to accomplish the 'shapeshifter' race blizz wanted to add back in Vanilla and have a secondary non-combat 'mortal form' as any one of the other races.
They couldn't do it back then because it would've been too expensive, but with new tech nowadays with how you can customize worgen forms separate from human forms (and how rigs post-wod work in general) I wouldn't think it'd be as expensive.