Dragonflight Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[Teriz]

Chronomancer (Chrono Shift) or Timewalker (Time Warp) I guess.

We have a potential time-based spec via HotS Chromie;

https://heroesofthestorm.com/en-gb/heroes/chromie/

Chromie is also a dragon, in-line with Alexstraza, who is on the cover of the expansion.

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But why get Draconids instead of actual dragons that can shift to human form for caster specs and to show off mog and use mounts but can also be their own mounts. THe hybrid dragon form that Hearthstone introduced for Wrathion is also such a great idea on how the race could work in melee. Make them chromatic and you could have them join all flights but not be members of them. GIve them a racial class that is Prismatic Dragon or something similar and they'd be able to use the abilities of all dragonflights and even fight in a hybrid form. And out of combat they could have cool drake forms like Wrathion does.

Like this?



https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads...s-Concept-2022

Of course my concept had them turn into full blown dragons in combat, but your idea that in combat their in hybrid form makes sense. We even see Wrathion do a bit of that in-game;

[Nymrohd]

We have a potential time-based spec via HotS Chromie;

https://heroesofthestorm.com/en-gb/heroes/chromie/

Chromie is also a dragon, in-line with Alexstraza, who is on the cover of the expansion.

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Like this?

https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads...s-Concept-2022

Yeah I guess you also loved the Mercenaries images for Wrathion eh?
Though I'd want all flights represented. And yeah, get them in melee only as tanks so we don't get ANOTHER melee dps. My idea was that they'd have access to dragonflight colors as stances and each spec would have 3-4 options. Base abilities would be nearly the same with minor changes (spell school, utility) but each spec would have a couple of cooldowns that change depending on your stance.

[Wangming]

I mean most Dragons seem to fight a lot in human form and only shift when they want to fight something their size. Kalec, Calen, Wrathion, Alex all do this in game.

That is probably to make the fights easier to design. But I still expect a humanoid dragon to be far stronger than a human. Granted worgen are also far stronger in lore. Ehh I just don't see the appeal of being a dragon or being empowered by a dragon, if I can't be obnoxiously powerful. Let's be real: being a dragon is a power fantasy. You want to be a vampire cause you want a castle with a library the size of Blizzard HQ. You want to be a werewolf cause you love nature and hate water bills. You play a cat person cause you are a weeb like me. You play dragons because they are the apex predator. That's the reason right there.

Is Feniela an associate of Scaleface? How do they have this info?

The way I understand is that they are journalist or something similar so they got a press kit already plus an NDA. Technically what they are doing is more fueling the flames and not flat out leaking, so even if it is true and their true identity is found by Blizzard they can claim this is free advertisement. And honestly I would agree.

[SniperCT]

That is probably to make the fights easier to design. But I still expect a humanoid dragon to be far stronger than a human. Granted worgen are also far stronger in lore. Ehh I just don't see the appeal of being a dragon or being empowered by a dragon, if I can't be obnoxiously powerful. Let's be real: being a dragon is a power fantasy. You want to be a vampire cause you want a castle with a library the size of Blizzard HQ. You want to be a werewolf cause you love nature and hate water bills. You play a cat person cause you are a weeb like me. You play dragons because they are the apex predator. That's the reason right there.



The way I understand is that they are journalist or something similar so they got a press kit already plus an NDA. Technically what they are doing is more fueling the flames and not flat out leaking, so even if it is true and their true identity is found by Blizzard they can claim this is free advertisement. And honestly I would agree.

Sometimes you play a Viera because you want to have legs for days.

But I get that about the dragon thing. Still, I think it would be fun/cool to play.

[Teriz]

Yeah I guess you also loved the Mercenaries images for Wrathion eh?

Wrathion is my boi!

Though I'd want all flights represented. And yeah, get them in melee only as tanks so we don't get ANOTHER melee dps.

I think they’d base it on HotS with only Black, Red, and Bronze. Not using Green and Blue makes sense because those are too close to mages and Druids. Alexstraza HotS would be the mechanical cornerstone of the concept, which backs up her appearance on the cover.

[Syegfryed]

why does everyone think dragon isles are near Quel'thas? if you explore the bloodmyst isle you find the ghost of the prince of dragon riders who worked insyc with dragons would dragon isle not be near there

You see, this is a wow forum, everything end up revolving around elves someway somehow.

[Mferna]

Of course not, but we didn't actually know that the next expansion was going to be Shadowlands, although almost everyone had convinced themselves that it would somehow revolve around death (just like how we're going all-in on dragons this year). Still, the leak season for BlizzCon 2019 had no shortage of leaks proposing Tinkers and Dragonsworn and there were plenty of leaks that went against the grain by proposing core themes such as Void, Titans, Time Travel, Old Gods, and yes, Dragons.



Relax, friend, no one's attacking you here. This is a speculation thread. Also if the new class turns out to be Chronomancer, all three of the "random leaks" I mentioned would have at least one shred of reality in them.

I’m very relaxed, actually in bed rn? And whose attacking who? And yea you’re conflating lucky guesses thru buzzwords with hard cold facts based on reality.

And you basically answered yourself. About 85% of the leaks in 2019 was about the SL, we knew we would be facing death next after sylvannas team rocketed away at the end of 8.2.5 lol. This time around I would say it’s a similar amount of leaks being focus on dragons, but you still have the light and loredaron etc. mind you, even in 2019 before SL some ppl began to bring up dragons. Speculate on whatever you please, best of luck in the future. Take care, brush ya hair

[Wangming]

Sometimes you play a Viera because you want to have legs for days.

What can I say? When you are right, you are right. I do plan to race change cause I hate the lack of head gear, but I would dearly miss how good Tea looks in pants.

[Nymrohd]

Wrathion is my boi!



I think they’d base it on HotS with only Black, Red, and Bronze. Not using Green and Blue makes sense because those are too close to mages and Druids.

There are some differences in style between druids and greens, at least in game. Greens use poison and plant magic a lot more, don't focus on animal forms (but by lore should be great at summoning animals) and definitely wouldn't feel like balance. SO you could give them a poison themed breath

Blues are indeed Arcane/Frost mages. They are the hardest flight to differentiate.

[Raetary]

Blues are indeed Arcane/Frost mages. They are the hardest flight to differentiate.

Not if their spec was based on Spellblades and are melee.

[Teriz]

There are some differences in style between druids and greens, at least in game. Greens use poison and plant magic a lot more, don't focus on animal forms (but by lore should be great at summoning animals) and definitely wouldn't feel like balance. SO you could give them a poison themed breath

Blues are indeed Arcane/Frost mages. They are the hardest flight to differentiate.

A 4-spec class? There is a lack of a poison-based magic user, and players would go nuts for a class with two RDPS specs.

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Not if their spec was based on Spellblades and are melee.

Would Blizzard design a 5-spec class though?

[ercarp]

Like this?

If they give me a class that can look even half as cool as Wrathion does in the middle image when they transform, I'll take it.

But I am kind of worried about the similarities between this purported new Dragon Class™ and Demon Hunters.

- Both can transform into a winged, humanoid monster. (Metamorphosis; although in this case I suppose it would be more akin to Worgen transforming in combat).
- Both would probably have very similar class-specific racial customization such as scaly skin, horns, and wings.
- Speaking of which, they gave the Spyro Glide™ to Demon Hunters, but if they add a Dragon-themed class, wouldn't it make sense to give it to them too? Or at least give them some kind of similar mobility feature? I can already see the forum threads of players complaining about this ("I'm literally a DRAGON but I can't spread my wings to glide like DHs can?????").

[Yunravel]

Imagine playing as a dragon in human form and you are barely stronger than an actual human.

Yeah, no thanks.

Yeah, barely stronger than heroes. The same way that you beat dragon as simple quest mob nowadays as a human.

[therumblings]

Would Blizzard design a 5-spec class though?

The class has the potential to do it, it's a matter of Blizzard wanting to commit resources.

[Nymrohd]

If they give me a class that can look even half as cool as Wrathion does in the middle image when they transform, I'll take it.

But I am kind of worried about the similarities between this purported new Dragon Class™ and Demon Hunters.

- Both can transform into a winged, humanoid monster. (Metamorphosis; although in this case I suppose it would be more akin to Worgen transforming in combat).
- Both would probably have very similar class-specific racial customization such as scaly skin, horns, and wings.
- Speaking of which, they gave the Spyro Glide™ to Demon Hunters, but if they add a Dragon-themed class, wouldn't it make sense to give it to them too? Or at least give them some kind of similar mobility feature? I can already see the forum threads of players complaining about this ("I'm literally a DRAGON but I can't spread my wings to glide like DHs can?????").

Honestly I want EVERYONE to be able to fly on Draconic wings as the main feature of becoming Dragonsworn (the covenant). It could work exactly like the jetpack did in Mechagon.

[Yunravel]

Honestly I want EVERYONE to be able to fly on Draconic wings as the main feature of becoming Dragonsworn (the covenant). It could work exactly like the jetpack did in Mechagon.

If they give us shitty wings instead of a dragon form similar to Tarecgosa, I’ll pass on the class.

[ercarp]

Honestly I want EVERYONE to be able to fly on Draconic wings as the main feature of becoming Dragonsworn (the covenant). It could work exactly like the jetpack did in Mechagon.

That could actually be really cool and it would also make the lack of flying at launch feel so, so much better.

[Nymrohd]

The class has the potential to do it, it's a matter of Blizzard wanting to commit resources.

And then you would just do a spec per flight which would make it much simpler.

It's also a class epic enough to not need its own artifacts, a class that would likely have a ready replacement for the class order halls in whatever sanctums the dragonflights might get in this xpac. Also a class that would wear mail since Scale Mail (and no, doesn't have to mean we kill other dragons to wear them, could be dragonscale made from shed scales.)

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That could actually be really cool and it would also make the lack of flying at launch feel so, so much better.

And they could make an attempt to design vertical zones. Especially if Dragon Isles are floating.

[Teriz]

If they give me a class that can look even half as cool as Wrathion does in the middle image when they transform, I'll take it.

But I am kind of worried about the similarities between this purported new Dragon Class™ and Demon Hunters.

- Both can transform into a winged, humanoid monster. (Metamorphosis; although in this case I suppose it would be more akin to Worgen transforming in combat).
- Both would probably have very similar class-specific racial customization such as scaly skin, horns, and wings.
- Speaking of which, they gave the Spyro Glide™ to Demon Hunters, but if they add a Dragon-themed class, wouldn't it make sense to give it to them too? Or at least give them some kind of similar mobility feature? I can already see the forum threads of players complaining about this ("I'm literally a DRAGON but I can't spread my wings to glide like DHs can?????").

I think flight and flying would definitely be what sets this class apart from other classes. Deathwing HotS for example has Dragonflight where he launches himself into the air, healing himself, and then lands at another location. You could have a similar ability where if you're out of combat you can launch into the air to recover, turning into a dragon when you do so. Additionally, Alexstraza HotS has Cleansing Flames where she also launches into the air, but all you see is her shadow on the ground, and a targeting reticle where you can blast targets with fire. You then choose your landing zone.

Also a version of Druid Flight form is a must.

With that said, you can give them a version of DH glide, just don't give them double jump, and it should be fine.

Honestly I want EVERYONE to be able to fly on Draconic wings as the main feature of becoming Dragonsworn (the covenant). It could work exactly like the jetpack did in Mechagon.

Yeah, that works too.

[SniperCT]

A 4-spec class? There is a lack of a poison-based magic user, and players would go nuts for a class with two RDPS specs.

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Would Blizzard design a 5-spec class though?

A 4+ spec class sounds like an absolute nightmare of work for future balancing. When adding a class you have to think long term, like decades+ not just the current expansion. There are so many specs already that they have to constantly update and tweak and balance.