Dragonflight Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[Das Thora]

Going to guess several years early.

Shadowlands mentioned in Legion/Chronicles, comes in Shadowlands.
Dragon Isles mentioned in Battle for Azeroth, comes in Dragonflight.
Fyzandi mentioned in Shadowlands, comes in 11.0 for the Light/Elune vs. Void story.

[TheFirstOnes]

Realized something today. If Dragon Isles is the next expansion setting, that will be two expansions in a row, and the first expansions ever, where the main setting was a place invented since WoW was created (the other being Argus, but that was a patch continent). Some might be a little off possibly, let me know if any are wrong. Yes, I know Outland and Draenor are the same place, but it wasn't shattered into Outland until WC2. And I tried checking for any mention of the Shadowlands before Chronicles and couldn't find it, the idea of the afterlife had many different names before then and were more vague and tended to sound more like just a grey version of Azeroth with ghosts.


Zone - Initial mention:Release
Outland - 1997:2007 (Beyond the Dark Portal/The Burning Crusade)
Northrend - 2002:2008 (Reign of Chaos/Wrath of the Lich King)
Elemental Plane - 2003:2010 (Warcraft RPG/Cataclysm)
Pandaria - 2002:2012 (Reign of Chaos/Mists of Pandaria)
Draenor - 1994:2014 (Orcs & Humans/Warlords of Draenor)
Broken Isles - 1996:2016 (Tides of Darkness/Legion)
Argus - 2007:2017 (The Burning Crusade/Legion)
Kul Tiras - 1996:2018 (Tides of Darkness/Battle for Azeroth)
Zandalar - 2003:2018 (Warcraft RPG/Battle for Azeroth)
Shadowlands - 2016:2020 (Legion/Shadowlands)
Dragon Isles - 2018:2023 (Battle for Azeroth/Dragonflight)

I wonder if SL has set up any future locations we haven't thought much of.

Plane of Order and the Gardens of Life come to mind...

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Going to guess several years early.

Shadowlands mentioned in Legion/Chronicles, comes in Shadowlands.
Dragon Isles mentioned in Battle for Azeroth, comes in Dragonflight.
Fyzandi mentioned in Shadowlands, comes in 11.0 for the Light/Elune vs. Void story.

"Light/Elune"

uhhh...no.

[huth]

Wasn't that the Realm of Shadows? IE the grey Azeroth you see when you're talking to a spirit healer?

Realm of Shadow is a synonym for Shadowlands. The grey version of the world is now known as Veil.

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Going to guess several years early.

Shadowlands mentioned in Legion/Chronicles, comes in Shadowlands.
Dragon Isles mentioned in Battle for Azeroth, comes in Dragonflight.
Fyzandi mentioned in Shadowlands, comes in 11.0 for the Light/Elune vs. Void story.

We just learned Elune is Life-aligned and the Winter Queen's sister.

[Vakir]

Wasn't that only just mentioned (Rexxar looking for them), like 2021?

I thought it was a bit sooner, in BFA? But yes.

[Polybius]

I wouldn't take the planes of existence to be literal or mutually exclusive from other planets. For all we know they're like Azeroth's elemental planes which are simply environs, or pockets converging with the natural world.

[Das Thora]

Plane of Order and the Gardens of Life come to mind...

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"Light/Elune"

uhhh...no.

Realm of Shadow is a synonym for Shadowlands. The grey version of the world is now known as Veil.

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We just learned Elune is Life-aligned and the Winter Queen's sister.

Are life and Light so opposed they'd fight against each other even when the Void is making its move?

And okay but did they call 'the Veil' the Shadowlands in WotLK? Since it sounds like you're saying it's not the Shadowlands, but it's what they used it call the Shadowlands, but not really because they called it the Realm of Shadows, but they REALLY meant the Shadowlands, and by that you mean the Veil, which was totally the Shadowlands.

[huth]

Are life and Light so opposed they'd fight against each other even when the Void is making its move?

And okay but did they call 'the Veil' the Shadowlands in WotLK? Since it sounds like you're saying it's not the Shadowlands, but it's what they used it call the Shadowlands, but not really because they called it the Realm of Shadows, but they REALLY meant the Shadowlands, and by that you mean the Veil, which was totally the Shadowlands.

You're really just confusing yourself there. Back then, they didn't make a difference between the Veil and the Shadowlands. The concept of the place as the afterlife was already set.

And while i'm not sure if they'd oppose each other, we have no reason to believe they'd ally, either. For that matter, it could just as easily end up being Light that attacks with Life and Void teaming up against it.

[Nightshade711]

The problem is that expansion classes tend to be the same thing as the archetypal heroes they're based on. Chen was on the cover of MoP, and the class was a Pandaren-based martial artist just like Chen, and Blizzard even gave you the ability to look just like him.

If Blizzard is basing a class on Alexstraza and Chromie, then you're going to be a dragon just like Alexstraza and Chromie. Even down to resembling them on a class level. That's just how Blizzard rolls.

They can take themes/loosely base classes off a hero, doesn’t mean they need to have a 1:1 comparison with us being full on dragons.


Kind of like how DHs aren’t full on demons like Illidan.

Or DKs aren’t the actual Lich King or a corrupted Paladin, but instead just hero’s risen from the dead.

[SniperCT]

I don't really know much about Black Desert or its combat system, but I do like some of the concepts of their characters and weaponry.

I really do like Lancers in ARPG/MMORPGs, and the Lahn looks pretty interesting with its chained crescent-blade weapons.

lahn is a lot of fun and a combat style I really enjoy. Very fast, and the chained whip type weapons have always been a fave of mine.

That game is a game I'll pop on every once in awhile to mindlessly kill thousands of monsters a minute. It's also fun to work the crafting and economic system, actually. I was so proud of myself when I made my boat.

I still want a boat in wow.

my first class in FF14 was the lancer/dragoon, before I fell in love with dark knight. I still keep dragoon up because I love the class, though.

[Chickat]

The colors are dead-on for Spyro. He's all grown up! And doesn't Blizzard own the company who made the Spyro remaster?

Spyro 4 was teased a few years ago, so I'm going with Spyro 4 confirmed!

And if it isn't Alexstrasza, but some other dragon, I will forever just call it Spyro anyway.

Omg I will die laughing if it is Spyro 4 Dragonflight.

[Alexjimithing]

Omg I will die laughing if it is Spyro 4 Dragonflight.

I've got my shit set to preorder the Heroic version of whatever on Tuesday and if it ends up being Spyro 4 so be it.

[KainneAbsolute]

Hey, it seems a lot happened in the last few days. I saw the red shirt guy talking about the evoker leak from here (MMO Champ)???
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I have the theory the Blizzard expansion cycle is: 1. focus on character/enemy/organization, 2. big event in the known world (known world of RTS games), and 3. visit a new place (Pandaria, Shadowlands). But this theory isn't perfect if the next expansion is because of WoD and Dragonflight expansion titles.

[Teriz]

They can take themes/loosely base classes off a hero, doesn’t mean they need to have a 1:1 comparison with us being full on dragons.


Kind of like how DHs aren’t full on demons like Illidan.

Or DKs aren’t the actual Lich King or a corrupted Paladin, but instead just hero’s risen from the dead.

While we're not 1:1 with Illidan, we do possess his abilities from RTS and MOBA, and we are standard members of his unique class.

Apply that to Alexstraza, and that makes us dragons, because dragons are the only ones in lore who possess her abilities from the MOBA. Definitely not of her power level, but definitely standard members of her unique class.

[Nightshade711]

While we're not 1:1 with Illidan, we do possess his abilities from RTS and MOBA, and we are standard members of his unique class.

Apply that to Alexstraza, and that makes us dragons, because dragons are the only ones in lore who possess her abilities from the MOBA. Definitely not of her power level, but definitely standard members of her unique class.

That’s cool and all
But Chromie in the same MOBA shows that you don’t need to actually transform into an actual dragon.
In fact chromie never actually turns into a dragon but just shoots around dragon themed spells.

Plus turning into an actual dragon surely wouldn’t make the Druid players happy.

[plz delete account]

I don't know if you've figured this out already, but the person you're responding to accurately stated that 7.0 would be called Legion, bring back Illidan, and introduce the DH class about a week before it happened.

It would appear that history may repeat itself.....
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You mean like he did with 9.0 and led us all on wild goose chases? The only leak he got somewhat correct was the one he fed me.

[Vakir]

I'm not sure I buy Evoker as a full class, but I can see it as a specialization of something bigger - like a time-oriented specialization of a Dragon-oriented class, even if "Evoking" doesn't even imply that in the first place.

But it could all just be nonsense to begin with.

[Teriz]

That’s cool and all
But Chromie in the same MOBA shows that you don’t need to actually transform into an actual dragon.
In fact chromie never actually turns into a dragon but just shoots around dragon themed spells.

Plus turning into an actual dragon surely wouldn’t make the Druid players happy.

Chromie isn't on the cover of the expansion, Alexstraza is. Thus it would be a class based on her general HotS mechanics, not Chromie's.

Also I doubt Druids would care, since they don't turn into dragons, they turn into beasts, and the general mechanics of the dragon shapeshift are different.

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You mean like he did with 9.0 and led us all on wild goose chases? The only leak he got somewhat correct was the one he fed me.

Fair enough. We'll see how accurate he is in a few days. I'm definitely looking forward to seeing what comes next.

[plz delete account]

If a dragon class does come, I could see the following specs if we got four specs for it:
Red: Melee Dps/healing hybrid (Like disc but with melee instead of casting, so also kinda like holy pala?)
Blue: Slow but powerful caster
Green: Healer Caster
Black: Tank

[Nightshade711]

Chromie isn't on the cover of the expansion, Alexstraza is. Thus it would be a class based on her general HotS mechanics, not Chromie's.

Also I doubt Druids would care, since they don't turn into dragons, they turn into beasts, and the general mechanics of the dragon shapeshift are different.

We don’t know who the poster child of the next xpac is going to be. The ‘leaked’ art could very well be fake.
Remember the 8.3 stormwind leak that everyone thought was real? Straight up had cinematic quality screenshots and models for the ships.

Sure the mechanics of Alexstraza could be carried over with obvious changes.
Pop a CD that enhances your abilities. Turn into an actual dragon? Never gonna happen in combat.
Flight form with similar lore to Tarecgosa’s rest? Maybe. But again you’ll anger the Druid players again.

Plus it makes no sense for a dragon to be running around and fighting in mortal form 90% of the time and defeats the entire purpose of playing a dragon.
It would be like playing a Worgen but being stuck in human form all the time, except when popping a racial CD.

Druids would 100% care.
They cared when Zen Flight was added for Monks to the point that blizz had to nerf it so it was slow. And monks didn’t even transform with zen flight.

[Das Thora]

You're really just confusing yourself there. Back then, they didn't make a difference between the Veil and the Shadowlands. The concept of the place as the afterlife was already set.

And while i'm not sure if they'd oppose each other, we have no reason to believe they'd ally, either. For that matter, it could just as easily end up being Light that attacks with Life and Void teaming up against it.

You're trying really hard to say 'since there was an idea of an afterlife, Shadowlands was really there since the beginning of the universe'.