Dragonflight Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[Das Thora]

Hardly. Just because a concept was made doesn't mean it'll ever become real. The idea still existed, though. It's not like Dragon Isles are actually confirmed yet, either.

Also, DK starting area. It's where you go to get your mount.

Wasn't that the Realm of Shadows? IE the grey Azeroth you see when you're talking to a spirit healer?

[Vakir]

It hasn't been called by name, but didn't they mention some sort of dragon-based progenitor islands that Rexxar has failed to find? That's still the same idea as being pre-mentioned.

[Triceron]

Couple of classes in that game play in a way I wish some wow classes did. Like I always wished rogues were flashier like the kunoichi. And Nova just feels really good to play and I'd love to have a paladin spec like that. And guardian is ... well there's a reason I based mine on my wow warrior lol

But it's also not tab targetting GCD combat and that doesn't always translate back and forth very well.

I don't really know much about Black Desert or its combat system, but I do like some of the concepts of their characters and weaponry.

I really do like Lancers in ARPG/MMORPGs, and the Lahn looks pretty interesting with its chained crescent-blade weapons.

[Kohtra]

No one mentioned page 2100?

We got to pick up the pace if we're gonna hit 3000 before the reveal.

[Polybius]

I just ran into this "Obsidian Prophet" during a Black Dragonflight event in Island Expeditions:

https://www.wowhead.com/npc=138484/obsidian-prophet




Very interesting palette for an 'Obsidian' dragonkin.. What do we think it means? Probably a hint, right? seeing as it's a "Prophet"

Lunar flight confirmed? kek

Allied race finished skin kekw

[Das Thora]

It hasn't been called by name, but didn't they mention some sort of dragon-based progenitor islands that Rexxar has failed to find? That's still the same idea as being pre-mentioned.

Wasn't that only just mentioned (Rexxar looking for them), like 2021?

[Teriz]

That looks really awesome actually. If paced out and flavoured to the abilities that make sense for Warcraft, I would totally play a WoW class like that.

I don't believe the userbase can stomach another melee DPS. That sort of style would be better suited for Demon Hunters. Blizzard should definitely consider revamping Havoc and making it more flashy and wild.

Have to say, even if the Evoker/Invoker thing is fake, if it's a sort of Dragon Mage archetype, I could really get behind that. Even just being a Draconic spellcaster would be something new and different from what we already have. A spellcaster that homages what we've seen of Alexstrazsa and Chromie in HOTS would be a great addition.

The problem is that expansion classes tend to be the same thing as the archetypal heroes they're based on. Chen was on the cover of MoP, and the class was a Pandaren-based martial artist just like Chen, and Blizzard even gave you the ability to look just like him.

If Blizzard is basing a class on Alexstraza and Chromie, then you're going to be a dragon just like Alexstraza and Chromie. Even down to resembling them on a class level. That's just how Blizzard rolls.

[Das Thora]

Going to guess several years early.

Shadowlands mentioned in Legion/Chronicles, comes in Shadowlands.
Dragon Isles mentioned in Battle for Azeroth, comes in Dragonflight.
Fyzandi mentioned in Shadowlands, comes in 11.0 for the Light/Elune vs. Void story.

[TheFirstOnes]

Realized something today. If Dragon Isles is the next expansion setting, that will be two expansions in a row, and the first expansions ever, where the main setting was a place invented since WoW was created (the other being Argus, but that was a patch continent). Some might be a little off possibly, let me know if any are wrong. Yes, I know Outland and Draenor are the same place, but it wasn't shattered into Outland until WC2. And I tried checking for any mention of the Shadowlands before Chronicles and couldn't find it, the idea of the afterlife had many different names before then and were more vague and tended to sound more like just a grey version of Azeroth with ghosts.


Zone - Initial mention:Release
Outland - 1997:2007 (Beyond the Dark Portal/The Burning Crusade)
Northrend - 2002:2008 (Reign of Chaos/Wrath of the Lich King)
Elemental Plane - 2003:2010 (Warcraft RPG/Cataclysm)
Pandaria - 2002:2012 (Reign of Chaos/Mists of Pandaria)
Draenor - 1994:2014 (Orcs & Humans/Warlords of Draenor)
Broken Isles - 1996:2016 (Tides of Darkness/Legion)
Argus - 2007:2017 (The Burning Crusade/Legion)
Kul Tiras - 1996:2018 (Tides of Darkness/Battle for Azeroth)
Zandalar - 2003:2018 (Warcraft RPG/Battle for Azeroth)
Shadowlands - 2016:2020 (Legion/Shadowlands)
Dragon Isles - 2018:2023 (Battle for Azeroth/Dragonflight)

I wonder if SL has set up any future locations we haven't thought much of.

Plane of Order and the Gardens of Life come to mind...

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Going to guess several years early.

Shadowlands mentioned in Legion/Chronicles, comes in Shadowlands.
Dragon Isles mentioned in Battle for Azeroth, comes in Dragonflight.
Fyzandi mentioned in Shadowlands, comes in 11.0 for the Light/Elune vs. Void story.

"Light/Elune"

uhhh...no.

[huth]

Wasn't that the Realm of Shadows? IE the grey Azeroth you see when you're talking to a spirit healer?

Realm of Shadow is a synonym for Shadowlands. The grey version of the world is now known as Veil.

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Going to guess several years early.

Shadowlands mentioned in Legion/Chronicles, comes in Shadowlands.
Dragon Isles mentioned in Battle for Azeroth, comes in Dragonflight.
Fyzandi mentioned in Shadowlands, comes in 11.0 for the Light/Elune vs. Void story.

We just learned Elune is Life-aligned and the Winter Queen's sister.

[Vakir]

Wasn't that only just mentioned (Rexxar looking for them), like 2021?

I thought it was a bit sooner, in BFA? But yes.

[Polybius]

I wouldn't take the planes of existence to be literal or mutually exclusive from other planets. For all we know they're like Azeroth's elemental planes which are simply environs, or pockets converging with the natural world.

[Das Thora]

Plane of Order and the Gardens of Life come to mind...

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"Light/Elune"

uhhh...no.

Realm of Shadow is a synonym for Shadowlands. The grey version of the world is now known as Veil.

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We just learned Elune is Life-aligned and the Winter Queen's sister.

Are life and Light so opposed they'd fight against each other even when the Void is making its move?

And okay but did they call 'the Veil' the Shadowlands in WotLK? Since it sounds like you're saying it's not the Shadowlands, but it's what they used it call the Shadowlands, but not really because they called it the Realm of Shadows, but they REALLY meant the Shadowlands, and by that you mean the Veil, which was totally the Shadowlands.

[huth]

Are life and Light so opposed they'd fight against each other even when the Void is making its move?

And okay but did they call 'the Veil' the Shadowlands in WotLK? Since it sounds like you're saying it's not the Shadowlands, but it's what they used it call the Shadowlands, but not really because they called it the Realm of Shadows, but they REALLY meant the Shadowlands, and by that you mean the Veil, which was totally the Shadowlands.

You're really just confusing yourself there. Back then, they didn't make a difference between the Veil and the Shadowlands. The concept of the place as the afterlife was already set.

And while i'm not sure if they'd oppose each other, we have no reason to believe they'd ally, either. For that matter, it could just as easily end up being Light that attacks with Life and Void teaming up against it.

[Nightshade711]

The problem is that expansion classes tend to be the same thing as the archetypal heroes they're based on. Chen was on the cover of MoP, and the class was a Pandaren-based martial artist just like Chen, and Blizzard even gave you the ability to look just like him.

If Blizzard is basing a class on Alexstraza and Chromie, then you're going to be a dragon just like Alexstraza and Chromie. Even down to resembling them on a class level. That's just how Blizzard rolls.

They can take themes/loosely base classes off a hero, doesn’t mean they need to have a 1:1 comparison with us being full on dragons.


Kind of like how DHs aren’t full on demons like Illidan.

Or DKs aren’t the actual Lich King or a corrupted Paladin, but instead just hero’s risen from the dead.

[SniperCT]

I don't really know much about Black Desert or its combat system, but I do like some of the concepts of their characters and weaponry.

I really do like Lancers in ARPG/MMORPGs, and the Lahn looks pretty interesting with its chained crescent-blade weapons.

lahn is a lot of fun and a combat style I really enjoy. Very fast, and the chained whip type weapons have always been a fave of mine.

That game is a game I'll pop on every once in awhile to mindlessly kill thousands of monsters a minute. It's also fun to work the crafting and economic system, actually. I was so proud of myself when I made my boat.

I still want a boat in wow.

my first class in FF14 was the lancer/dragoon, before I fell in love with dark knight. I still keep dragoon up because I love the class, though.

[Chickat]

The colors are dead-on for Spyro. He's all grown up! And doesn't Blizzard own the company who made the Spyro remaster?

Spyro 4 was teased a few years ago, so I'm going with Spyro 4 confirmed!

And if it isn't Alexstrasza, but some other dragon, I will forever just call it Spyro anyway.

Omg I will die laughing if it is Spyro 4 Dragonflight.

[Alexjimithing]

Omg I will die laughing if it is Spyro 4 Dragonflight.

I've got my shit set to preorder the Heroic version of whatever on Tuesday and if it ends up being Spyro 4 so be it.

[KainneAbsolute]

Hey, it seems a lot happened in the last few days. I saw the red shirt guy talking about the evoker leak from here (MMO Champ)???
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I have the theory the Blizzard expansion cycle is: 1. focus on character/enemy/organization, 2. big event in the known world (known world of RTS games), and 3. visit a new place (Pandaria, Shadowlands). But this theory isn't perfect if the next expansion is because of WoD and Dragonflight expansion titles.

[Teriz]

They can take themes/loosely base classes off a hero, doesn’t mean they need to have a 1:1 comparison with us being full on dragons.


Kind of like how DHs aren’t full on demons like Illidan.

Or DKs aren’t the actual Lich King or a corrupted Paladin, but instead just hero’s risen from the dead.

While we're not 1:1 with Illidan, we do possess his abilities from RTS and MOBA, and we are standard members of his unique class.

Apply that to Alexstraza, and that makes us dragons, because dragons are the only ones in lore who possess her abilities from the MOBA. Definitely not of her power level, but definitely standard members of her unique class.