Dragonflight Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[flan1337]

It's likely a creature in a red dragon themed zone.

Lean into the "anywhere the sun shines through the autumn leaves" currently Quel'Thalas has that autumn vibe.

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It also seems like wowhead is reporting more encrypted items for the deluxe edition.

[Varodoc]

Lean into the "anywhere the sun shines through the autumn leaves" currently Quel'Thalas has that autumn vibe.

Not just that, it's actually a plot point that Quel'Thalas is "stuck", so to say, in a state of perpetual sun and warmth. It was a spell made by the elves of old who didn't want to go through winters. So Canonically, there is no land more associated with sun, warmth, spring, and autumn-coloured leaves, than Quel'Thalas.

[Revamp Man]

Let’s say next class is dragonsworn let’s see if we can work it into 3 specs
Healing is red/green because both aspects were empowered by life and the red flight is the flight of the lifebinder
Tank is easily bronze because it can have a mechanic similar to stagger
Dps can be black/blue with a system like a stance where you play in melee or ranged depending on the stance

3 specs easily

[ercarp]

https://us.shop.battle.net/en-us/pro...rline?p=436201
Cozy up with a purrfect friend
With eyes of pure emerald and the tail of a fox, this magical cat can carry you effortlessly from land to land. But it’s favorite places in all of Azeroth happen to be anywhere the sun shines through the autumn leaves, especially when a glowing campfire is nearby.

Everyone is talking about the dragon bundle but not this fox. With the current leaks talking about Quel'Thalas this cat lines up PERFECTLY with the description of it.

I mean... yeah, I guess, but I hate how un-Warcraft this mount looks. All of their store mounts look like they belong in a completely different game and this is one of the worst offenders by far.

[Revamp Man]

The dragon aspects are mortal now, they aren't god-like beings anymore. Very powerful, yes, but not enough to bless a champion of Azeroth in the same way the light blesses a paladin, they aren't a boundless source of energy.

Imagine xavius being able to 1v1 the person who imparts your classes power. They aren't powerful enough to bestow that kind of power, I think. Champions of Azeroth kill dragons every day, too. Playing a dragon wouldn't be OP, they are pretty average these days, and its a cool niche that is well-treaded in the Warcraft universe that has enough uniqueness to merit a class.

And that is where “we now need multiple flights to bless the hero” boom dragonsworn power ranger

[Teriz]

Let’s say next class is dragonsworn let’s see if we can work it into 3 specs
Healing is red/green because both aspects were empowered by life and the red flight is the flight of the lifebinder
Tank is easily bronze because it can have a mechanic similar to stagger
Dps can be black/blue with a system like a stance where you play in melee or ranged depending on the stance

3 specs easily

Okay, but why do we need to do that if we have the three specs from the HotS dragons? It seems silly for Blizzard to create an entirely new dragon-based class when they already have one that players have experienced, played with, and enjoyed.

It'd be like creating a WoW Monk class that resembles Diablo instead of using the template of the Pandaren Brewmaster.

[Revamp Man]

I mean... yeah, I guess, but I hate how un-Warcraft this mount looks. All of their store mounts look like they belong in a completely different game and this is one of the worst offenders by far.

It reminds me of Cheshire from Alice in Wonderland and that makes me think of two things
Calia is the white queen
Scarlet crusade leader might be the red queen
Jaberwocke is a dragon-like monster

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Okay, but why do we need to do that if we have the three specs from the HotS dragons? It seems silly for Blizzard to create an entirely new dragon-based class when they already have one that players have experienced and played with.

Because it’s not WoW

[Teriz]

Because it’s not WoW

Are you saying that there's no HotS abilities and concepts currently in WoW or the class lineup?

[Varodoc]

Are you saying that there's no HotS abilities and concepts currently in WoW or the class lineup?

No, he probably means that HotS is a dead, failure of a game and thus not many people would probably care about its concepts.

[Raetary]

Lean into the "anywhere the sun shines through the autumn leaves" currently Quel'Thalas has that autumn vibe.

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It also seems like wowhead is reporting more encrypted items for the deluxe edition.

Quel'thalas is explicitely in a state of constant spring.

Either way, it doesn't matter that much anyway.
Reds and Eversong share the exact same aesthetic and themes. (The reds are just more saturated)



So the thing can fit into Quel'thalas just fine, but its more likely that its a new creature in a new Ruby zone.

[Revamp Man]

Are you saying that there's no HotS abilities and concepts currently in WoW or the class lineup?

Are you saying that there’s a WoW player class that plays exactly like the HotS counterpart?

[Teriz]

No, he probably means that HotS is a dead, failure of a game and thus not many people would probably care about its concepts.

Blizzard used HotS abilities and concepts for Sylvanas in Sanctum of Domination, and allowed Hunters to use those abilities and concepts.

So it would appear that Blizzard still cares about it.

Are you saying that there’s a WoW player class that plays exactly like the HotS counterpart?

That is a straw-man. No MMO class is going to play exactly like its MOBA or RTS counterpart, and no one made that argument. However the Demon Hunter class took a lot of concepts from HotS Illidan. Heck, Blizzard even gave Demon Hunters "The Hunt" as a covenant ability which was one of Illidan's abilities in HotS.

[Revamp Man]

No, he probably means that HotS is a dead, failure of a game and thus not many people would probably care about its concepts.

He keeps going back to it because DH shares abilities between the two games and he has used that as his basis for saying which classes will or won’t exist and what they will play like while ignoring other non canon sources because they don’t fit his ideas

It’s like how he used steam scale as a way to predict 10.0 claiming the final mount pattern even though it doesn’t fit the pattern

[Hitei]

https://us.shop.battle.net/en-us/pro...rline?p=436201
Cozy up with a purrfect friend
With eyes of pure emerald and the tail of a fox, this magical cat can carry you effortlessly from land to land. But it’s favorite places in all of Azeroth happen to be anywhere the sun shines through the autumn leaves, especially when a glowing campfire is nearby.

Everyone is talking about the dragon bundle but not this fox. With the current leaks talking about Quel'Thalas this cat lines up PERFECTLY with the description of it.

The descriptions mean absolutely nothing. The description for the Sylverian Dreamer says it was painted in a dream by an artist in Dalaran and appeared when she woke up.

[Dioporco]

It’s like how he used steam scale as a way to predict 10.0 claiming the final mount pattern even though it doesn’t fit the pattern

???????

What

[ahgsfds]

No, he probably means that HotS is a dead, failure of a game and thus not many people would probably care about its concepts.

HotS was great! I loved playing it. I know a few guys who still play it. With a proper support it would be great again, like dunno, WoD and Legion.
As for abilities? I belive that Magnisworn Dwarves will just get female dwarves by being huge chunks of diamonds. Girls do love diamonds Any other ideas for racials?

[Revamp Man]

Blizzard used HotS abilities and concepts for Sylvanas in Sanctum of Domination, and allowed Hunters to use those abilities and concepts.

So it would appear that Blizzard still cares about its concepts.



That is a straw-man. No MMO class is going to play exactly like its MOBA or RTS counterpart, and no one made that argument. However the Demon Hunter class took a lot of concepts from HotS Illidan. Heck, Blizzard even gave Demon Hunters "The Hunt" as a covenant ability which was one of Illidan's abilities in HotS.

So it’s almost like blizzard can take abilities from those dragons and put it into a dragonsworn class

Huh it’s funny how logic works
Dragonsworn are mortals with dragon power
Thus wouldn’t they have those precious abilities?? Because again one thing does not a pattern make

[Teriz]

So it’s almost like blizzard can take abilities from those dragons and put it into a dragonsworn class

Huh it’s funny how logic works
Dragonsworn are mortals with dragon power
Thus wouldn’t they have those precious abilities??

Because multiple abilities in Alexstraza's HotS kit transforms her into a dragon. The class you're talking about can't do that.

[Veya30]

Every expansion ever has been met with heavy criticism when it was current, and it's all for equally dumb or valid reasons. It's only once the expansion is over and everyone is stuck in the next one that they start loving whatever was current two or more years ago.

Legion is probably the only one to really escape most of this, simply by virute of WoD being completely godawful, but even with that there were many players who hated how much time you had to put into Legion to be fully effective at endgame, as compared to WoD being almost completely devoid of non-raid power buffs.

This is why I feel 10.0 will not come with any new systems. The biggest complaint I've been reading on the official forums is players just wanting to hit max level and jump into their preferred content. They don't want to grind for Flying, Soulbinds, Conduits, forced to do story quests, or do Torghast for legendaries. Below is how it’ll be done I think:
- Level cap raised to 70
- Flying purchasable with gold at 70
- World quests / Callings Removed instead we’ll go back to the TBC formula of a few daily quests in each zone to advance rep gains.
- Reps will be for cosmetics only and catch up gear
- PvP will return to templates to prevent crazy damage and one shots and even out the play field
- PvE gearing will be restricted to Dungeons / Raids only, no outdoor gearing path anymore, due to it being very un-popular. Lots of complaints about the Cyper system in ZM.
- Due to being free from World Content creation, we’ll get 16 new dungeons at launch with 3 raids. 12 boss raid and 2 1 boss raids.
- No anima/Azerite/Artifact power grinds at all, those will be removed and not carried forward for Dragonflight.
- Story quests will all be released at once, but have no player power associated with them; no requirements to complete them unless you want to do them.
- Some kind of crafting overall where mats will need to be gathered from raids/m+ to make some BiS gear.

[ZyntosAran]

This is why I feel 10.0 will not come with any new systems. The biggest complaint I've been reading on the official forums is players just wanting to hit max level and jump into their preferred content. They don't want to grind for Flying, Soulbinds, Conduits, forced to do story quests, or do Torghast for legendaries. Below is how it’ll be done I think:
- Level cap raised to 70
- Flying purchasable with gold at 70
- World quests / Callings Removed instead we’ll go back to the TBC formula of a few daily quests in each zone to advance rep gains.
- Reps will be for cosmetics only and catch up gear
- PvP will return to templates to prevent crazy damage and one shots and even out the play field
- PvE gearing will be restricted to Dungeons / Raids only, no outdoor gearing path anymore, due to it being very un-popular. Lots of complaints about the Cyper system in ZM.
- Due to being free from World Content creation, we’ll get 16 new dungeons at launch with 3 raids. 12 boss raid and 2 1 boss raids.
- No anima/Azerite/Artifact power grinds at all, those will be removed and not carried forward for Dragonflight.
- Story quests will all be released at once, but have no player power associated with them; no requirements to complete them unless you want to do them.
- Some kind of crafting overall where mats will need to be gathered from raids/m+ to make some BiS gear.

Hey, you are just explaining an expansion that will kill world of warcraft, nice.