Dragonflight Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[Revamp Man]

Are you saying that there's no HotS abilities and concepts currently in WoW or the class lineup?

Are you saying that there’s a WoW player class that plays exactly like the HotS counterpart?

[Teriz]

No, he probably means that HotS is a dead, failure of a game and thus not many people would probably care about its concepts.

Blizzard used HotS abilities and concepts for Sylvanas in Sanctum of Domination, and allowed Hunters to use those abilities and concepts.

So it would appear that Blizzard still cares about it.

Are you saying that there’s a WoW player class that plays exactly like the HotS counterpart?

That is a straw-man. No MMO class is going to play exactly like its MOBA or RTS counterpart, and no one made that argument. However the Demon Hunter class took a lot of concepts from HotS Illidan. Heck, Blizzard even gave Demon Hunters "The Hunt" as a covenant ability which was one of Illidan's abilities in HotS.

[Revamp Man]

No, he probably means that HotS is a dead, failure of a game and thus not many people would probably care about its concepts.

He keeps going back to it because DH shares abilities between the two games and he has used that as his basis for saying which classes will or won’t exist and what they will play like while ignoring other non canon sources because they don’t fit his ideas

It’s like how he used steam scale as a way to predict 10.0 claiming the final mount pattern even though it doesn’t fit the pattern

[Hitei]

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Everyone is talking about the dragon bundle but not this fox. With the current leaks talking about Quel'Thalas this cat lines up PERFECTLY with the description of it.

The descriptions mean absolutely nothing. The description for the Sylverian Dreamer says it was painted in a dream by an artist in Dalaran and appeared when she woke up.

[Dioporco]

It’s like how he used steam scale as a way to predict 10.0 claiming the final mount pattern even though it doesn’t fit the pattern

???????

What

[ahgsfds]

No, he probably means that HotS is a dead, failure of a game and thus not many people would probably care about its concepts.

HotS was great! I loved playing it. I know a few guys who still play it. With a proper support it would be great again, like dunno, WoD and Legion.
As for abilities? I belive that Magnisworn Dwarves will just get female dwarves by being huge chunks of diamonds. Girls do love diamonds Any other ideas for racials?

[Revamp Man]

Blizzard used HotS abilities and concepts for Sylvanas in Sanctum of Domination, and allowed Hunters to use those abilities and concepts.

So it would appear that Blizzard still cares about its concepts.



That is a straw-man. No MMO class is going to play exactly like its MOBA or RTS counterpart, and no one made that argument. However the Demon Hunter class took a lot of concepts from HotS Illidan. Heck, Blizzard even gave Demon Hunters "The Hunt" as a covenant ability which was one of Illidan's abilities in HotS.

So it’s almost like blizzard can take abilities from those dragons and put it into a dragonsworn class

Huh it’s funny how logic works
Dragonsworn are mortals with dragon power
Thus wouldn’t they have those precious abilities?? Because again one thing does not a pattern make

[Teriz]

So it’s almost like blizzard can take abilities from those dragons and put it into a dragonsworn class

Huh it’s funny how logic works
Dragonsworn are mortals with dragon power
Thus wouldn’t they have those precious abilities??

Because multiple abilities in Alexstraza's HotS kit transforms her into a dragon. The class you're talking about can't do that.

[Veya30]

Every expansion ever has been met with heavy criticism when it was current, and it's all for equally dumb or valid reasons. It's only once the expansion is over and everyone is stuck in the next one that they start loving whatever was current two or more years ago.

Legion is probably the only one to really escape most of this, simply by virute of WoD being completely godawful, but even with that there were many players who hated how much time you had to put into Legion to be fully effective at endgame, as compared to WoD being almost completely devoid of non-raid power buffs.

This is why I feel 10.0 will not come with any new systems. The biggest complaint I've been reading on the official forums is players just wanting to hit max level and jump into their preferred content. They don't want to grind for Flying, Soulbinds, Conduits, forced to do story quests, or do Torghast for legendaries. Below is how it’ll be done I think:
- Level cap raised to 70
- Flying purchasable with gold at 70
- World quests / Callings Removed instead we’ll go back to the TBC formula of a few daily quests in each zone to advance rep gains.
- Reps will be for cosmetics only and catch up gear
- PvP will return to templates to prevent crazy damage and one shots and even out the play field
- PvE gearing will be restricted to Dungeons / Raids only, no outdoor gearing path anymore, due to it being very un-popular. Lots of complaints about the Cyper system in ZM.
- Due to being free from World Content creation, we’ll get 16 new dungeons at launch with 3 raids. 12 boss raid and 2 1 boss raids.
- No anima/Azerite/Artifact power grinds at all, those will be removed and not carried forward for Dragonflight.
- Story quests will all be released at once, but have no player power associated with them; no requirements to complete them unless you want to do them.
- Some kind of crafting overall where mats will need to be gathered from raids/m+ to make some BiS gear.

[ZyntosAran]

This is why I feel 10.0 will not come with any new systems. The biggest complaint I've been reading on the official forums is players just wanting to hit max level and jump into their preferred content. They don't want to grind for Flying, Soulbinds, Conduits, forced to do story quests, or do Torghast for legendaries. Below is how it’ll be done I think:
- Level cap raised to 70
- Flying purchasable with gold at 70
- World quests / Callings Removed instead we’ll go back to the TBC formula of a few daily quests in each zone to advance rep gains.
- Reps will be for cosmetics only and catch up gear
- PvP will return to templates to prevent crazy damage and one shots and even out the play field
- PvE gearing will be restricted to Dungeons / Raids only, no outdoor gearing path anymore, due to it being very un-popular. Lots of complaints about the Cyper system in ZM.
- Due to being free from World Content creation, we’ll get 16 new dungeons at launch with 3 raids. 12 boss raid and 2 1 boss raids.
- No anima/Azerite/Artifact power grinds at all, those will be removed and not carried forward for Dragonflight.
- Story quests will all be released at once, but have no player power associated with them; no requirements to complete them unless you want to do them.
- Some kind of crafting overall where mats will need to be gathered from raids/m+ to make some BiS gear.

Hey, you are just explaining an expansion that will kill world of warcraft, nice.

[Revamp Man]

???????

What

The final mount before each announcement in the store is connected to the next expansion
In BfA it was the sylverian dreamer
Then for 10.0 he claimed that the steam scale which was released in BfA predicted 10.0 because it was the last mount
He got shown that doesn’t make sense
He then said the anniversary pet predicts 10.0 and tinkers because the steam scale was made by a tinker
Shown that doesn’t make sense
Claims HotS is a requirement for the next classes because they have DH using illidan abilities
Claims dragons are a class and not a race because they can function like worgen

[Grimbold21]

I mean if you guys want a Dragon class sooo bad, but can't get your story together, just have a look at Robin Hobb's work and her Elderlings, which are basically humans that gain extra abilities, have their bodies changed to take up draconic traits, all this from their prolonged exposure and close contact with Dragons.

https://robinhobbelderlings.fandom.com/wiki/Elderlings

[Alexjimithing]

Hey, you are just explaining an expansion that will kill world of warcraft, nice.

If the relatively increasing popularity of other MMOs has taught me anything it’s that players want optional story than you can skip entirely.

FFXIV famously has very little story that is completely optional.

[Dioporco]

Claims dragons are a class and not a race because they can function like worgen

well isnt wrong the no class part due to the fact that dragons are sterile since dragon souls cata

[Ersula]

FFXIV famously has very little story that is completely optional.

You have to put /s if you're going to be sarcastic on this site.

[Revamp Man]

Because multiple abilities in Alexstraza's HotS kit transforms her into a dragon. The class you're talking about can't do that.

I mean you do realize they can change that right??? Like just take the name and not copy the ability. Like they did with illidan abilities

[ahgsfds]

This is why I feel 10.0 will not come with any new systems. The biggest complaint I've been reading on the official forums is players just wanting to hit max level and jump into their preferred content. They don't want to grind for Flying, Soulbinds, Conduits, forced to do story quests, or do Torghast for legendaries. Below is how it’ll be done I think:
- Level cap raised to 70
- Flying purchasable with gold at 70
- World quests / Callings Removed instead we’ll go back to the TBC formula of a few daily quests in each zone to advance rep gains.
- Reps will be for cosmetics only and catch up gear
- PvP will return to templates to prevent crazy damage and one shots and even out the play field
- PvE gearing will be restricted to Dungeons / Raids only, no outdoor gearing path anymore, due to it being very un-popular. Lots of complaints about the Cyper system in ZM.
- Due to being free from World Content creation, we’ll get 16 new dungeons at launch with 3 raids. 12 boss raid and 2 1 boss raids.
- No anima/Azerite/Artifact power grinds at all, those will be removed and not carried forward for Dragonflight.
- Story quests will all be released at once, but have no player power associated with them; no requirements to complete them unless you want to do them.
- Some kind of crafting overall where mats will need to be gathered from raids/m+ to make some BiS gear.

I'd love it to go to old TBC ways with raiding and attunement chains, just making attunements account wide. Loved those epic quest chains in BC rewarding extremly good gear at the end, but it took a few days to complete one. IMHO TBC is the best framework for expansion for PVE content. WotLK was built upon it and came out great.

Second thing I'd love to go back to Ulduar style hard modes instead of current heroic difficulty. One raid less to run weekly to gear up for mythic? Feels so good man. Those are my wishes from perspective of a twat playing since patch 1.7

[Revamp Man]

well isnt wrong the no class part due to the fact that dragons are sterile since dragon souls cata

They are a race
He says they can work like a class
Also black dragons aren’t sterile unless I’m mistaken

[Tartys]

The dragon aspects are mortal now, they aren't god-like beings anymore. Very powerful, yes, but not enough to bless a champion of Azeroth in the same way the light blesses a paladin, they aren't a boundless source of energy.

Is not such a big deal.. expecially if Elune is involved and she need the Aspect power too to bless the new Wolrd Tree... that she let destroy!

[Raetary]

Also black dragons aren’t sterile unless I’m mistaken

All Aspect related dragons are sterile.