Dragonflight Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[Zankai27]

It would be weird to have a class that can turn into a dragon, when it would make more sense to play as a dragon, that turns into a humanoid form.

Of course we can have new things. But if something is already established, it becomes more likely to make it into the game.

It's like saying, why does a Death Knight have to be wearing plate and wielding a heavy weapon? Why can't he be like a Rogue and wield daggers? Why can't we have something new?

What? I don’t think that logic tracks;

If they go with the concept of a mortal empowered by the Dragonflights, which is already a concept in the RPGs (which they are referencing whenever they want these days. Boralus, Tandred, etc.) why would it be a stretch for said class to have a dragon avatar?

I’m not saying they couldn’t make a class where we are dragons ourselves, but it logically works either way, and isn’t close to the same as “why does a Death Knight wear plate”. Like, what?

Especially since the Tarecgosa quest line already introduces us to this concept. Just taking that avenue for a class.

I’m not saying it’s going to happen either, I just think either possibility is possible.

[Calfredd]

I dunno if you've heard much about Chris Chan lately, but I hope to all possible gods no one "goes Chris Chan".

I wouldn't wish "Chris-chan" on anybody, not even Chris-chan. /shudders

[Harbour]

Dont you guys think its kinda lazy to make the 5 recoloros for single dragon wings model? I mean, if it were dragon wings corresponding to 5 different dragonflights, id surely made the models look different, not only recolor them.

My point is i doubt it would be dragon wings. More likely, just a backpack, or cloak, nothing that asks for uniqueness (dragon wings do i think).

[Teriz]

Feel free to quote me and laugh at me later but there is a 99.99% chance there will not be a class where you turn into a giant dragon along with the rest of the group to shit up the framerate and block everyone’s view.

Travel form? Maybe. Anything else? No.

If Alexstraza is on the cover and we're getting a new class, it's going to be a class based on Alexstraza from HotS. No different than if Alexstraza had been a WC3 character. No different than Illidan, Chen Stormstout, or Lich King.

That's simply how Blizzard rolls.

[Vakir]

I dunno if you've heard much about Chris Chan lately, but I hope to all possible gods no one "goes Chris Chan".

Gods, yes. Poor bastard was absolutely groomed for "content," including this last bomb. I'm not saying that justifies their behavior in any way but it's just such a fucking tragedy of exploiting the vulnerable. Truly the worst probably-ending for them and the whole sordid thing.

As infuriating as some of the hyperfixations are here, at least nobody even approaches being near Chris Chan levels.

[Raetary]

Whatever we are getting, i hope it doesn't hide our weapons.

[Hypester]

Dont you guys think its kinda lazy to make the 5 recoloros for single dragon wings model? I mean, if it were dragon wings corresponding to 5 different dragonflights, id surely made the models look different, not only recolor them.

My point is i doubt it would be dragon wings. More likely, just a backpack, or cloak, nothing that asks for uniqueness (dragon wings do i think).

Why would the wings look different? The main dragonflights don’t look different from each other outside of the Infinite, they are just scale colors, and unless the expansion heavily redesigns each flight their wings would look the same.

That design problem is also why the probably won’t be covenants. Because everyone would be getting the same looking rewards, just with different colors and some different spell effects.

[Bathtub Girls]

I’m not saying they couldn’t make a class where we are dragons ourselves

Not a class. A race. Dragons are a race.

[Xi Jinping]

I want Naga -2007

I want Naga -2022

(hide pants on tail pls)

[Hypester]

If Alexstraza is on the cover and we're getting a new class, it's going to be a class based on Alexstraza from HotS. No different than if Alexstraza had been a WC3 character. No different than Illidan, Chen Stormstout, or Lich King.

That's simply how Blizzard rolls.

Except the other characters had their powersets established before HOTS. They may be the icons for the class, but Alex doesn’t do anything except breath fire in WoW or HOTS: her turning into a dragon is the gimmick of her character in HOTS, not anything defining about her.

There’s no way a dragon class is going to be based on ONE dragon.

[FatCheeseMan]

I wonder if the cloaks will be something to do with the amazon/twitch promotion. They break the mold for usual deluxe edition bonus.

[Teriz]

Ugh, here we go. You can’t use lore to explain a class that doesn’t exist, that can be represented any way they’d like.

I'm pretty sure that WoW expansion classes come from lore, and tend to have a very large lore basis before they are brought into the game. Hence why they're based on major WoW characters and heroes. Alexstraza HotS is no different than Arthas and Chen from WC3, and Illidan from HotS.

I know you don’t actually think the devs are real people who change their ideas constantly, and are in fact robots who only adhere to what’s represented in Warcraft 3 or HotS, but there’s no dragon class period in lore, and if you want lore for mortals assuming the avatar of a dragon, that’s literally how Taregosa works. It’s a small leap to think they could make a hero class with the special ability to do that.

Saying something is a "class" is just semantics. There are characters in WoW that have unique abilities, are all over the game world, are of the playable races, and contain popular hero characters. Blizzard even gave us versions of these characters in playable form. What's more, they gave us versions of these characters that fits neatly into Tank/Heal/DPS.

In short, all the ingredients are in place to build a class around it.

All we're missing is a name.

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Except the other characters had their powersets established before HOTS.

That's not really relevant.

They may be the icons for the class, but Alex doesn’t do anything except breath fire in WoW or HOTS: her turning into a dragon is the gimmick of her character in HOTS, not anything defining about her.

There’s no way a dragon class is going to be based on ONE dragon.

That's a rather unfair characterization. Alex does far more than just breath fire and turn into a dragon. She also heals utilizing fire spells, which is something currently not in the class lineup.

Also you don't base it on one dragon, you base it on three;

https://heroesofthestorm.fandom.com/wiki/Chromie
https://heroesofthestorm.fandom.com/wiki/Alexstrasza
https://heroesofthestorm.fandom.com/wiki/Deathwing

With Alexstraza forming the base.

[Makabreska]

If Alexstraza is on the cover and we're getting a new class, it's going to be a class based on Alexstraza from HotS. No different than if Alexstraza had been a WC3 character. No different than Illidan, Chen Stormstout, or Lich King.

That's simply how Blizzard rolls.

Holy crap. So many posts to bookmark for the spicy 10.0 reveal.

[Raetary]

That design problem is also why the probably won’t be covenants. Because everyone would be getting the same looking rewards, just with different colors and some different spell effects.

What? No.

Each flight is far more distinguished than just their scale color.
The rewards would be themed around their magic and individual aesthetic.

Lava and fire/earth elementals, as well as themes of subterfuge and deception for blacks.

Ice, runes and arcane magic for the blues.

Sand, hour glasses and clocks as well as potential infinite inspired rewards for bronzes.

Dream stuff for greens.

Sun and spring themes along the lines of Eversong for reds.

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This obsession with HotS is getting out of hand.

[m4Zzo928]

I don’t think there’s going to be a dragon race, but a heavy emphasis on dragon armor and cosmetics in whatever “dragon covenant” is chosen.

[Blayze]

Maybe we're getting Tinkers and the five different colours are because it's all a Voltron reference.

[Hypester]

What? No.

Each flight is far more distinguished than just their scale color.
The rewards would be themed around their magic and individual aesthetic.

Lava and fire/earth elementals, as well as themes of subterfuge and deception for blacks.

Ice, runes and arcane magic for the blues.

Sand, hour glasses and clocks as well as potential infinite inspired rewards for bronzes.

Dream stuff for greens.

Sun and spring themes along the lines of Eversong for reds.

And those aren’t nearly as different as the covenants, which not only have different magics but also different aesthetics, purposes in their world, cultures, etc.

Each dragonflight besides MAYBE the Blacks and Bronze now are the exact same thing: protector of Azeroth that uses a different color magic fart.

The building blocks are there if they want to give each flight a radically different aesthetic and culture that makes them as different as the SL covenants, but currently that’s not how it is. Especially when things like the Dream and Arcane have already farted out plenty of rewards that would make those covenants less rewarding to be in/more of the same.

[ercarp]

Kinda weird that they'd give us 5 different wings to represent each of the dragonflights while the CE mount is still just a Green dragon (from the looks of it, anyway).

[Izalla]

Holy crap. So many posts to bookmark for the spicy 10.0 reveal.

Yeah, I just completely disagree that the character on the box has anything to do with the fact a class is being added. Each character represents the focus of the expansion. Except poor Bolvar, whose only relevance was involved in getting to the expansion and then squandered afterward. Like, who else would they have put on the Wrath box except the Lich King? Chen was the only Pandaren that was even established to exist before MoP and Garrosh as the villain certainly didn't belong on the box. No central character fit Legion better than Illidan except maybe Sargeras and people would likely have thrown a fit if he was on the box and never appeared except in one short glimpse during the end cinematic. Even Kil'jaeden was only a mid tier threat for the expac, and Illidan's big come back was discussed and hinted at as far back as Mists. Whether demon hunters were added or not, Illidan was the poster child for Legion.

[Harbour]

Why would the wings look different? The main dragonflights don’t look different from each other outside of the Infinite, they are just scale colors, and unless the expansion heavily redesigns each flight their wings would look the same.

That design problem is also why the probably won’t be covenants. Because everyone would be getting the same looking rewards, just with different colors and some different spell effects.

Because dragon aspects DO look differently, even though the difference isnt that extremal. Thats why i found it a bit lazy to use the one model for all five dragonflight wings.
Covenant rewards only solidify my doubts - Blizzard tried hard enough even with budget cuts to make covenant cosmetics look different enough. 10.0 seems to be the big one, would be weird to go cheap with pre-order rewards if its the dragon wings.