Dragonflight Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[SniperCT]

Anyone else expecting absolutely nothing cool. (not even a new race/class) but hoping for some of the stuff being speculated about?

Gotta temper those expectations

[Bsirk]

Oooh I wonder if maybe it's something where the wings you have on alters the mount when it's summoned. I don't think they've done anything like that before and it would be kinda cool.

Maybe since they experimented with the tree that changes during the seasons they are trying something different this time?

[Triceron]

I'm saying that if they go that route, they'll simply make them dragons because of the popular characters associated with those characters. People want to play as dragons who disguise themselves as people, not as people who turn into dragons. With a simple turn of semantics the concept becomes so much more popular.

If they go the route I'm talking about, then we're talking about Mortals tapping into the power of Dragons. You're not talking about that, so what you're saying isn't answering the question at all.

Are you saying Blizzard is incapable of having Mortals channel the powers of Dragons. I'm not asking for alternatives.

[Three Faced Goddess]

If it's in the Maw, I kind of doubt it. Dark Ranger stuff should all be happening in Tirisfal imo.

A Maw cutscene is very likely to be about Sylvanas. Maybe it's where we'll find out the identity of the armored guy/gal from the Sylvanas novel? (Hint: It's probably Anduin.)

Like I said probably not. I'm heading towards the acceptance stage of my "grief". Yeah, it's probably going to be Anduin as the end of the Sylvanas novel hints at it with the metallic clanking. Don't know why we need another cinematic with either of them, but here we are.

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It's likely a creature in a red dragon themed zone.

It better come in multiple colors and be tameable by hunters.

[Teriz]

Sounds like they'd be a race better than a class at that point.
Similar to the "shapeshifting demon" race that was cut from vanilla.

A race that can look like every other race is pointless. Also a race can’t properly emulate the abilities of Alexstraza, Chromie, or Deathwing.

Best way to go about it is use both WoWs race and class system.

[ercarp]

Anyone else expecting absolutely nothing cool. (not even a new race/class) but hoping for some of the stuff being speculated about?

Gotta temper those expectations

Personally I'm all-in on us at least getting a new class. I don't really care what it is to be honest, I just think now is the time.

A new class would also pull some of the more casual crowd back into the fold; people love having shiny new toys to play.

Blizzard needs a big headline-maker for 10.0 if they want to come back strong after SL—and I don't see that being anything other than a new class unless they do something crazy and completely reinvent the wheel.

[wowrefugee]

A part of me thinks that Dragonflight is a bait and switch, there is a lot about the leaking that is a bit sus. The Alexstraza image leak and the website code appeared within hours of one another, the original source apparently twitter, but its a dead end. Blizzard isn't naive to what happens within the community every expansion launch season. It would be so easy to send us on a wild goose hunt like an ARG. A few lines of front-end code, deliberately un-minified in plain view, a screenshot and a Reddit account and boom, you've got everyone hook line and sinker.

It would be something if April 19th rolls around and it isn't Dragonflight haha

they're not putting effort into doing that. lol

[Teriz]

If they go the route I'm talking about, then we're talking about Mortals tapping into the power of Dragons. You're not talking about that, so what you're saying isn't answering the question at all.

Are you saying Blizzard is incapable of having Mortals channel the powers of Dragons. I'm not asking for alternatives.

I wouldn’t say they’re incapable of doing it, I’m saying they wouldn’t do it because they have a more lucrative and popular option that is essentially doing the same thing.

[Triceron]

I wouldn’t say they’re incapable of doing it, I’m saying they wouldn’t do it because they have a more lucrative and popular option that is essentially doing the same thing.

Isn't the more lucative option to offer options and let players choose? I mean, based on the Evoker leak, there's going to be a new race to tie things back together, like what we had in Mists. I think an Evoker class that channeled Draconic magic and a separate Dragon race that allows you to choose a humanoid form would be a best of both worlds. I mean, you're already implying a Dragon would have to be playable anyways, so there's not much difference separating them off as their own race option.

[Nightshade711]

I wouldn’t say they’re incapable of doing it, I’m saying they wouldn’t do it because they have a more lucrative and popular option that is essentially doing the same thing.

Wouldn't say it'd be more lucrative to have someone turn into a dragon as a class.
People that would pay for a dragon-based class would still play it no matter if they did or didn't turn into a dragon.

Them turning into dragons would have various mechanical issues with size alone that they'd waste dev hours on to fix. (Or they go the cheap route and make the dragon form a whelp which would be underwhelming.)

So from a business standpoint would you:
1. Pick the class that doesn't turn into a dragon but has cool draconic themed abilities.
2. Pick the class that's more expensive to design or an underwhelping whelp form
Remember you're getting the same money for both options

[Teriz]

Isn't the more lucative option to offer options and let players choose? I mean, based on the Evoker leak, there's going to be a new race to tie things back together, like what we had in Mists. I think an Evoker class that channeled Draconic magic and a separate Dragon race that allows you to choose a humanoid form would be a best of both worlds. I mean, you're already implying a Dragon would have to be playable anyways, so there's not much difference separating them off as their own race option.

The more lucrative option is to tie the class concept to major lore figures and allow players to essentially be those characters. Also ability-wise, dragons aren’t really like the playable classes, they use their own draconic abilities.

[SniperCT]

and I don't see that being anything other than a new class unless they do something crazy and completely reinvent the wheel.

What if CROSS CLASSING

[Nightshade711]

The more lucrative option is to tie the class concept to major lore figures and allow players to essentially be those characters. Also ability-wise, dragons aren’t really like the playable classes, they use their own draconic abilities.

So a class that's based on being empowered by major lore figures isn't tied to those lore figures?

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What if CROSS CLASSING

I call playing a rogue-mage or rogue-warlock.

[Three Faced Goddess]

If those baby dragon backpacks are a pre-order bonus, it's game over, because they got my money.

Same! I love cute things as much as love spooky, creepy things.

[Calfredd]

So a class that's based on being empowered by major lore figures isn't tied to those lore figures?

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I call playing a rogue-mage or rogue-warlock.

Rogue stables!

[Teriz]

Wouldn't say it'd be more lucrative to have someone turn into a dragon as a class.
People that would pay for a dragon-based class would still play it no matter if they did or didn't turn into a dragon.

Except dragons are popular in WoW because of Alexstraza, Wrathion, and Chromie.

Those characters can turn into dragons. It’s sort of part the entire package. Also the inability to turn into a dragon makes the concept nothing more than another spellcaster. It would be like having Demon Hunter without metamorphosis.

So a class that's based on being empowered by major lore figures isn't tied to those lore figures?

Players don’t want to be empowered by lore figures, they want to be those lore figures.

[FossilFree]

What if CROSS CLASSING

I want to see two-headed ogres that can choose two classes.

[Nightshade711]

Players don’t want to be empowered by lore figures, they want to be those lore figures.

Idk man I’ve seen plenty of complaints about us being too powerful and important in the story.

Also DKs are popular yet they’re not the Lich King.

[Zankai27]

Idk man I’ve seen plenty of complaints about us being too powerful and important in the story.

Also DKs are popular yet they’re not the Lich King.

Especially considering DKs are literally empowered by said character, directly contradicting what he said.

[Teriz]

Idk man I’ve seen plenty of complaints about us being too powerful and important in the story.

But a dragon is no stronger than your typical class. Our characters have killed scores of dragons, sometimes solo.

Also DKs are popular yet they’re not the Lich King.

They are a version of him though, which is why they can get abilities directly from him.