Dragonflight Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[Teriz]

Isn't the more lucative option to offer options and let players choose? I mean, based on the Evoker leak, there's going to be a new race to tie things back together, like what we had in Mists. I think an Evoker class that channeled Draconic magic and a separate Dragon race that allows you to choose a humanoid form would be a best of both worlds. I mean, you're already implying a Dragon would have to be playable anyways, so there's not much difference separating them off as their own race option.

The more lucrative option is to tie the class concept to major lore figures and allow players to essentially be those characters. Also ability-wise, dragons aren’t really like the playable classes, they use their own draconic abilities.

[SniperCT]

and I don't see that being anything other than a new class unless they do something crazy and completely reinvent the wheel.

What if CROSS CLASSING

[Nightshade711]

The more lucrative option is to tie the class concept to major lore figures and allow players to essentially be those characters. Also ability-wise, dragons aren’t really like the playable classes, they use their own draconic abilities.

So a class that's based on being empowered by major lore figures isn't tied to those lore figures?

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What if CROSS CLASSING

I call playing a rogue-mage or rogue-warlock.

[Three Faced Goddess]

If those baby dragon backpacks are a pre-order bonus, it's game over, because they got my money.

Same! I love cute things as much as love spooky, creepy things.

[Calfredd]

So a class that's based on being empowered by major lore figures isn't tied to those lore figures?

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I call playing a rogue-mage or rogue-warlock.

Rogue stables!

[Teriz]

Wouldn't say it'd be more lucrative to have someone turn into a dragon as a class.
People that would pay for a dragon-based class would still play it no matter if they did or didn't turn into a dragon.

Except dragons are popular in WoW because of Alexstraza, Wrathion, and Chromie.

Those characters can turn into dragons. It’s sort of part the entire package. Also the inability to turn into a dragon makes the concept nothing more than another spellcaster. It would be like having Demon Hunter without metamorphosis.

So a class that's based on being empowered by major lore figures isn't tied to those lore figures?

Players don’t want to be empowered by lore figures, they want to be those lore figures.

[FossilFree]

What if CROSS CLASSING

I want to see two-headed ogres that can choose two classes.

[Nightshade711]

Players don’t want to be empowered by lore figures, they want to be those lore figures.

Idk man I’ve seen plenty of complaints about us being too powerful and important in the story.

Also DKs are popular yet they’re not the Lich King.

[Zankai27]

Idk man I’ve seen plenty of complaints about us being too powerful and important in the story.

Also DKs are popular yet they’re not the Lich King.

Especially considering DKs are literally empowered by said character, directly contradicting what he said.

[Teriz]

Idk man I’ve seen plenty of complaints about us being too powerful and important in the story.

But a dragon is no stronger than your typical class. Our characters have killed scores of dragons, sometimes solo.

Also DKs are popular yet they’re not the Lich King.

They are a version of him though, which is why they can get abilities directly from him.

[Teriz]

Isn't the Demon Hunter class immortal? Doesn't get more powerful than that, lmao

Yep. And the funny thing is that dragons are not immortal.

[Revamp Man]

He was an irrelevant side character like Chen so there can't be a class based on Cho'gal

He doesn’t have a connection to any big lore characters or organizations either

[Teriz]

Especially considering DKs are literally empowered by said character, directly contradicting what he said.

They were also created by him in his own image. He essentially created weaker versions of himself. What Nightshade is proposing is the equivalent of the Lich King making you a standard Necromancer, instead of a version of himself, and a leader of the scourge.

[Nightshade711]

But a dragon is no stronger than your typical class. Our characters have killed scores of dragons, sometimes solo.

But you've said players want to be lore characters and that's the main reason why you believe blizzard would do that instead of the same exact class but without a dragon transformation.

They are a version of him though, which is why they can get abilities directly from him.

Player DKs are not the Lich King in the slightest. The closest they get to being the Lich King is from getting empowered by a major lore character (the actual Lich King)

Having a few abilities named after some of his aren't the same.
Druids, Fire Mages and Warriors all have dragon named abilities that do things that dragons do. Does that make them a version of dragons?

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Isn't the Demon Hunter class immortal? Doesn't get more powerful than that, lmao

Draenei and all elves are immortal too. Unless we've seen one die of old age that I am missing.

[Hitei]

Combining 2 classes is my new favorite thing ever after playing Tiny Tina's Wonderlands

You think you do...

[Triceron]

The more lucrative option is to tie the class concept to major lore figures and allow players to essentially be those characters.

I totally agree.

And they're fully capable of tying mortals to having access to the powers of major lore figures already, so having both a new class and new race would work just fine.

Also ability-wise, dragons aren’t really like the playable classes, they use their own draconic abilities.

Which is why a new Dragon race to compliment the class would be ideal

[ercarp]

Draenei and all elves are immortal too. Unless we've seen one die of old age that I am missing.

We haven't seen any draenei die of old age yet but they do live stupidly long lives; I'm pretty sure Velen is around 20,000 years old but doesn't look a day over 70. But they are still mortal as far as the lore is concerned.

As for all elves being immortal... Well, there's a case to be made for some of them, but not all. For example I'm pretty sure high elves and blood elves are mortal. They live a couple thousand years, I think, but they do age and die of old age eventually.

Night elves I'm a bit confused about as I'm not sure if they've retconned things, but the last time I cared to read about their lore, the general consensus was that they were immortal but lost that immortality after the Third War.

Not sure what the case for Nightborne is. They're probably still immortal tbh.

As for void elves, no idea. Does becoming infused with Void grant immortality?

[Revamp Man]

Alex heals with her fire
Chromie CCs with time
Wrathion explodes with his elementium bolts

If only we had some way for mortals to get the ability to emulate those dragons
Almost like the dragons grant a boon to the mortals allowing them to use their powers in exchange for them swearing their service
But what would we call this impossible class
Well it’s based off the mortals swearing to dragons so maybe dracon swears??? Nah
Hmmm I wonder what it could possibly be called

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You think you do...

After playing Runes of Magic I know I do

[Teriz]

But you've said players want to be lore characters and that's the main reason why you believe blizzard would do that instead of the same exact class but without a dragon transformation.

Yeah, and players are able to be versions of those characters by having the main abilities and attributes of those characters. Thus, it would be a severe issue for a lot of players wanting to be like Wrathion if they can't turn into a dragon in combat like Wrathion.

Player DKs are not the Lich King in the slightest. The closest they get to being the Lich King is from getting empowered by a major lore character (the actual Lich King)

Having a few abilities named after some of his aren't the same.

Again, they're essentially playable versions of the LK. For example, after WotLK, DKs got Soul Reaper and Remorseless Winter which came directly from the Lich King raid fight. When the Lich King showed up in HotS, DKs got Frostwyrm's Fury from that hero.

An even bigger example is Demon Hunters, where the entire purpose of that class' existence is to be like Illidan. Could you imagine that instead of Demon Hunters, you play as an Illidari Taskmaster instead of a Demon Hunter? That's what you're proposing here.

Druids, Fire Mages and Warriors all have dragon named abilities that do things that dragons do. Does that make them a version of dragons?

Nope, because dragons can turn into dragons. Those classes are simply empowered by dragons.

[Nightshade711]

They were also created by him in his own image. He essentially created weaker versions of himself. What Nightshade is proposing is the equivalent of the Lich King making you a standard Necromancer, instead of a version of himself, and a leader of the scourge.

False all around btw.
Nowhere is it stated that he created the DKs in his own image.
(Especially the first actual Death Knights that weren't warlocks who were Paladins empowered by the Ner'zuhl Lich King)

The first words to DKs is that he empowered them (or bistowed upon them) and granted them immortality.
Nor are we even leaders, we're just foot soldiers following his/darion's orders until Legion.

We haven't seen any draenei die of old age yet but they do live stupidly long lives; I'm pretty sure Velen is around 20,000 years old but doesn't look a day over 70. But they are still mortal as far as the lore is concerned.

As for all elves being immortal... Well, there's a case to be made for some of them, but not all. For example I'm pretty sure high elves and blood elves are mortal. They live a couple thousand years, I think, but they do age and die of old age eventually.

Night elves I'm a bit confused about as I'm not sure if they've retconned things, but the last time I cared to read about their lore, the general consensus was that they were immortal but lost that immortality after the Third War.

Not sure what the case for Nightborne is. They're probably still immortal tbh.

As for void elves, no idea. Does becoming infused with Void grant immortality?

I forgot about blood elves, though I haven't seen them actually dying of old age.

Night elves idk what's up with that. They're still showing no sign of dying of old age or even aging at all.