1. #4101
    Completely unsurprised by how things turned out. Shocker. They really couldn't help themselves, could they?

    I was surprised though by the Jailer's new form, if only because I expected him to take on a look like the initial artwork. But that works.

    I'm glad I stopped caring as much as I used to for the lore. I still do care a bit, obviously, but nowhere near the level I was.

  2. #4102
    Quote Originally Posted by Haidaes View Post
    Do we have any reports on what happens after the cinematic? What the NPCs say? Or did they really just leave us with the pretentious cliffhanger for the next couple of months?


    Hmm, I see alot of the Oribis elements as well though, looking at the weapon for example.
    There’s supposed to be a scene after we get the compass
    Anduin and Sylvanas are chatting but we didn’t have audio

    Guaranteed he’s a double agent

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gifdwarf View Post
    Seeing comments like this become more and more common gives me the faith that WoW will be fine for many years to come. It's a 100% chance people will romanticize BFA and SL in the future.
    Or maybe WoW is just going downhill and we have less and less to appreciate. Funny how the exact same thing can be seen as evidence of two pollar opposites. Guess it depends how much of an optimist or a cynic you are.

  4. #4104
    Quote Originally Posted by zantheus1993 View Post
    There’s supposed to be a scene after we get the compass
    Anduin and Sylvanas are chatting but we didn’t have audio

    Guaranteed he’s a double agent
    I know about the compass scene, but I'm more curious how the raid ends after the cinematic plays. Usually you get to talk to the lore heroes and get some fluff from them.
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  5. #4105
    Regime change for 10.0 please. The sooner, the better.

    And I don't mean in-game.

  6. #4106
    I don't think Anduin's a double agent. He doesn't seem the type to go along with atrocities, even if it means in the end he'd get the chance to stop them.

    Unrelated but did anyone else have a hell of a time understanding the Jailer? I get that evil needs to sound deep and have reverb, but it was almost impossible for me to understand anything he said (and at the time I watched the video, CC wasn't working for some reason).

    Also have we yet gotten an answer for what happened to the Arbiter in the first place?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kiivar86 View Post
    I don't think Anduin's a double agent. He doesn't seem the type to go along with atrocities, even if it means in the end he'd get the chance to stop them.

    Unrelated but did anyone else have a hell of a time understanding the Jailer? I get that evil needs to sound deep and have reverb, but it was almost impossible for me to understand anything he said (and at the time I watched the video, CC wasn't working for some reason).

    Also have we yet gotten an answer for what happened to the Arbiter in the first place?
    I had to turn the subtitles on, and even though I am not a native speaker, I used to be an English teacher…

    There was definitely something difficult to understand in the way he spoke!

  8. #4108
    Quote Originally Posted by Shoggoth View Post
    Cinematic is already out... and is bad. I guess he's going to the sepulcher?
    Can't stop stage 1. That was pretty much a given. I'm guessing 9.2 will be about helping the Covenants reforge their sigils, just like the Primus tells you this week.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kiivar86 View Post
    I don't think Anduin's a double agent. He doesn't seem the type to go along with atrocities, even if it means in the end he'd get the chance to stop them.
    Even if he isn't, he might not be fully purged of Zovaal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fahrad Wagner View Post
    I had to turn the subtitles on, and even though I am not a native speaker, I used to be an English teacher…

    There was definitely something difficult to understand in the way he spoke!
    They just overdid it with the voice effect.

    I had to rewatch it a few times as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by huth View Post
    Can't stop stage 1. That was pretty much a given. I'm guessing 9.2 will be about helping the Covenants reforge their sigils, just like the Primus tells you this week.
    We are reforging the sigils during the 9.1 campaign.




  10. #4110
    You could probably program a bot to come up with this shit; now Gromvanas is unconscious, I'm guessing the post-raid "speak to the NPCs" dialogue will consist of almost everyone agreeing--against all logic and their own agendas--to keep Sylvanas "alive" instead of just beheading her now she's too unconscious to fight back.

    After all, Kerrigan's obviously important to the story conclusion.
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  11. #4111
    Quote Originally Posted by Arafal View Post
    We are reforging the sigils during the 9.1 campaign.
    Are they physically reforging them? Last i looked, they only did the "find their purpose" prerequisite.

    Quote Originally Posted by Blayze View Post
    You could probably program a bot to come up with this shit; now Gromvanas is unconscious, I'm guessing the post-raid "speak to the NPCs" dialogue will consist of almost everyone agreeing--against all logic and their own agendas--to keep Sylvanas "alive" instead of just beheading her now she's too unconscious to fight back.

    After all, Kerrigan's obviously important to the story conclusion.
    While i see where you're coming from, you seem to have forgotten where they are. Might as well just save the effort and put her in a Venthyr cage as-is while she can't fight back or run. Let her stew for a few millenia in the knowledge that she got duped.

    Though storywise i'd prefer if she basically plays no role afterwards. No redemption, no death, just damnatio memoriae.

  12. #4112
    Quote Originally Posted by Blayze View Post
    You could probably program a bot to come up with this shit; now Gromvanas is unconscious, I'm guessing the post-raid "speak to the NPCs" dialogue will consist of almost everyone agreeing--against all logic and their own agendas--to keep Sylvanas "alive" instead of just beheading her now she's too unconscious to fight back.

    After all, Kerrigan's obviously important to the story conclusion.
    It does make sense to keep her alive honestly. Killing her might be safer, but they do want to find Anduin, so why not keep her alive and interrogate her until she spills her guts, whether metaphorically or literally.

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    Quote Originally Posted by huth View Post
    Are they physically reforging them? Last i looked, they only did the "find their purpose" prerequisite.



    While i see where you're coming from, you seem to have forgotten where they are. Might as well just save the effort and put her in a Venthyr cage as-is while she can't fight back or run. Let her stew for a few millenia in the knowledge that she got duped.

    Though storywise i'd prefer if she basically plays no role afterwards. No redemption, no death, just damnatio memoriae.
    There is still one more questline that was hidden on the PTR, seems the big reveals will be hidden in that one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by huth View Post
    Are they physically reforging them? Last i looked, they only did the "find their purpose" prerequisite.
    They physically reforge then, they get the sigil back once they accomplished re-establishment.

    Fae do after the Elune stuff.
    Venthyr when they get their medallions back
    Kyrian after they establish their new Paragon and temple.

    And scourge prime does their thing, whatever their thing is.
    Which hasn't been revealed afaik.




  14. #4114
    This expansion will end in 9.2. The Jailer literally just got his final form.

    "B-but Helya and the House of Chosen dude!!!!", these people literally put Ner'zhul, Kel'thuzad, and Sylvanas all in the same raid They won't make a separate patch for Helya LOL!

    So Yes Shadowlands will end in 9.2 with the final boss being the Jailer in his Final Form/Lich King Rip-off form.

  15. #4115
    Quote Originally Posted by Varodoc View Post
    This expansion will end in 9.2. The Jailer literally just got his final form.

    "B-but Helya and the House of Chosen dude!!!!", these people literally put Ner'zhul, Kel'thuzad, and Sylvanas all in the same raid They won't make a separate patch for Helya LOL!

    So Yes Shadowlands will end in 9.2 with the final boss being the Jailer in his Final Form/Lich King Rip-off form.
    Or possibly the 9.2 patch follows in hte grand tradition of previous .2 patches and just has us go to somewhere mostly unrelated to the main plot. Somewhere like for instance the in-between to fight Devourers, or to the planes of life to fight Drust, or recruit Elune or anything for that matter.

    We had an entire patch in MoP dedicated almost solely to Mogu and the Thunder King. It might have seemed like we were barreling towards a resolution with Garrosh during the Krasarang offensive, but the game had no problem taking that heavy detour.
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  16. #4116
    Quote Originally Posted by Sondrelk View Post
    Or possibly the 9.2 patch follows in hte grand tradition of previous .2 patches and just has us go to somewhere mostly unrelated to the main plot. Somewhere like for instance the in-between to fight Devourers, or to the planes of life to fight Drust, or recruit Elune or anything for that matter.

    We had an entire patch in MoP dedicated almost solely to Mogu and the Thunder King. It might have seemed like we were barreling towards a resolution with Garrosh during the Krasarang offensive, but the game had no problem taking that heavy detour.
    No. This is not how basic storytelling works. When the villain gets their final form and literally says it's time to end the cosmos, you don't randomly go on a B plot.

    "Maybe we can go on a B plot to recruit Elune", buddy the Jailer is literally going to remake reality once he crosses that portal, he's not going to sip some tea, where will you find the time to recruit Elune

    This is the A B C of storytelling.
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  17. #4117
    Quote Originally Posted by Varodoc View Post
    No. This is not how basic storytelling works. When the villain gets their final form and literally says it's time to end the cosmos, you don't randomly go on a B plot.

    "Maybe we can go on a B plot to recruit Elune", buddy the Jailer is literally going to remake reality once he crosses that portal, he's not going to sip some tea, where will you find the time to recruit Elune

    This is the A B C of storytelling.
    That is only if you assume that the B-plot cannot be related to the A-plot, or more accurately that you cannot make the B-plot something that pushed the A-plot forward.

    Let us make the not unlikely assumption that to get to the Sepulcher you need something more than just the various sigils. Maybe you need something in the in-between, somewhere that for instance was made by the First ones in-case the Sepulcher got breached. Or perhaps more likely that we need more allies to defeat the Jailer now that he has regained his power.

    Then you just have us go to whatever area, find a problem that needs fixing and have a raid there, or there is an ally of the Jailer there that needs to be defeated.
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  18. #4118
    Quote Originally Posted by Sondrelk View Post
    That is only if you assume that the B-plot cannot be related to the A-plot, or more accurately that you cannot make the B-plot something that pushed the A-plot forward.

    Let us make the not unlikely assumption that to get to the Sepulcher you need something more than just the various sigils. Maybe you need something in the in-between, somewhere that for instance was made by the First ones in-case the Sepulcher got breached. Or perhaps more likely that we need more allies to defeat the Jailer now that he has regained his power.

    Then you just have us go to whatever area, find a problem that needs fixing and have a raid there, or there is an ally of the Jailer there that needs to be defeated.
    Bruh the Battle of Ardenweald and Jailer taking all Sigils was all dealt with in a questline, if we need something to access the Sepulcher we'll simply get it in a questline, an entire patch is not required. Same thing if you need allies against the Jailer, you'll simply go talk to them in the 9.2 questline.

  19. #4119
    Quote Originally Posted by Varodoc View Post
    Bruh the Battle of Ardenweald and Jailer taking all Sigils was all dealt with in a questline, if we need something to access the Sepulcher we'll simply get it in a questline, an entire patch is not required. Same thing if you need allies against the Jailer, you'll simply go talk to them in the 9.2 questline.
    Again though, you are assuming that just because we are seemingly nearing a conclusion precludes the story from having another layer to it. Or even that Blizzard just wants us to suspend our disbelief for a moment while we deal with a subplot. It's not like the story lasts over 2 years in-game time anyways, most seem to take place over a year, and even then we have no idea how that is divvied up.
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  20. #4120
    Quote Originally Posted by Haidaes View Post
    I know about the compass scene, but I'm more curious how the raid ends after the cinematic plays. Usually you get to talk to the lore heroes and get some fluff from them.
    They didnt do that with the nighthold and everyone was just standing there... it was weird as hell.

    I guess its the same thing here. People just leave and coninue thei chores or log out. Shows over folks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arafal View Post
    They physically reforge then, they get the sigil back once they accomplished re-establishment.

    Fae do after the Elune stuff.
    Venthyr when they get their medallions back
    Kyrian after they establish their new Paragon and temple.

    And scourge prime does their thing, whatever their thing is.
    Which hasn't been revealed afaik.
    Whats the point of the sigils? The jailer wanted them for hes mechaevolution.. but what do we need them for?

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