Dragonflight Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[Yunravel]

So RoM did it like this
Your main class had all the abilities
Your second class just gave the basic abilities so for WoW mage it would be the abilities shared between specs so blink and fireball

They also had a system where you could craft a scroll with rare mats and get a unique skill
Mage/pally(or what they call knight) had the first ability of consecration that moved with you

Now there’s also a skill leveling system but that’s besides the point

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Our power has been gimped since then though
Technically we are no stronger after leaving SL than we were at the end of WoD because since then we haven’t had permanent power gain

I agree with you on that, even though I think adventures brings artifacts, items and forms of power and experience, we're probably on their level or slightly higher, 1000x was pretty much hyperbolic tbh. Not completely even to the end of WoD or it would have mean we've done nothing while we did accomplished stuff.

[therumblings]

Welp, PTR offline until early next week.

https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wo...enance/1219927

Just in time for the Dragonflight announcement... coincidence? I think not.

[Nightshade711]

I'm pretty sure that someone wanting to play a dragon-based class wants the ability to turn into a dragon. Especially if the heroes the class is based on can do it. Again, that's like saying players who want to be a Demon Hunter like Illidan don't care if they have metamorphosis or not.

So if they introduced a dragon-based class that plays exactly like what you want but without the transformation you wouldn’t play it at all?

Now if there were actual consistent player demands for an actual playable dragon class I'd see them at most doing a "stand still while you breathe fire in dragon form thing"... but that's not even close to being a popular demand

That's quite a bit more than a simple name similarity.

They still do different things. One is just a damage ability that always increases haste.
The other is an execute that only increases haste if the target actually dies.
Plus that’s an ability from MoP, far after they were introduced so using this as a “DKs were meant to be Lich King copies during launch” is false.
(Not to mention the ability is completely different now)

Obviously, since class balance has to be considered.

Players who want to be like Wrathion or Alexstraza want to do more than just turn into a mount.

So a flight form or a cosmetic demon appearance breaks class balance?
With your logic the metamorphosis CD would’ve been like Illidan in BT where he just turns all dark with glowing tattoos.

And as you’ve seen with every class before, players aren’t gonna turn into full dragons outside of maybe a mount flight form which still would be explained away as being empowered like with Tarecgosa’s rest.

Also how tf would heritage armors/quests work for a dragon class with your concept?
“Hey we know you’re not a dwarf but instead a dragon but here why don’t you reforge this super culturally significant armor and wear it.”

[ercarp]

Just in time for the Dragonflight announcement... coincidence? I think not.

I wonder if they're doing it as a precaution to prevent leaking even more stuff before the reveal.

[Catastrophy349]

From the World of Warcraft email I just received "Drop into the World of Warcraft® Livestream Event on April 19 at 9am PT to sit down with the WoW development team and learn about the upcoming expansion. We’re excited to show you what we’ve been working on and where your adventures in Azeroth will go next!"

Livestream!

[NikolaiShade]

I wonder if they're doing it as a precaution to prevent leaking even more stuff before the reveal.

well... someone could argue there's not much else to leak before the reveal other than the reveal itself

[Hitei]

From the World of Warcraft email I just received "Drop into the World of Warcraft® Livestream Event on April 19 at 9am PT to sit down with the WoW development team and learn about the upcoming expansion. We’re excited to show you what we’ve been working on and where your adventures in Azeroth will go next!"

Livestream!

Why else would it also be on twitch? It'll be a pre-recorded livestream event.

[Nightmare Queen]

GW2 does wings and wing skins perfectly. Plus you can glide with them. I absolutely love the golden falcon wings I have on my main.

Like I've been an engineer since vanilla and I'd still be okay with just straight up making gliding wings something anyone can find/earn/etc

Demon Hunter double jump and glide for everyone

Honestly, I could see 'Wing stuff' in WoW just being a type of Mount that just... literally gives your character wings. Might have a diffrent animation for casting it too.

[Catastrophy349]

Why else would it also be on twitch? It'll be a pre-recorded livestream event.

Stop it! Don't ruin my HYPE!

[Teriz]

So if they introduced a dragon-based class that plays exactly like what you want but without the transformation you wouldn’t play it at all?

Playing "exactly like I want" would include the dragon transformation. Without that, you're just playing a variation of mage that heals with fire and shoots sand. Also tanking without the dragon form makes no sense.

They still do different things. One is just a damage ability that always increases haste.
The other is an execute that only increases haste if the target actually dies.
Plus that’s an ability from MoP, far after they were introduced so using this as a “DKs were meant to be Lich King copies during launch” is false.
(Not to mention the ability is completely different now)

WotLK was far from MoP timewise?

In both cases you have attack that deals weapons damage, delayed shadow damage and grants haste to the caster. The difference is that there's no condition to the LK getting the haste, there is a condition getting the haste for the DK, because of class balance.

The point is, they're essentially the same ability.

So a flight form or a cosmetic demon appearance breaks class balance?
With your logic the metamorphosis CD would’ve been like Illidan in BT where he just turns all dark with glowing tattoos.

Sorry, I have no idea what you're talking about here.

And as you’ve seen with every class before, players aren’t gonna turn into full dragons outside of maybe a mount flight form which still would be explained away as being empowered like with Tarecgosa’s rest.

We have no idea what the potential size of the dragons could be. That's completely up to Blizzard.

Also how tf would heritage armors/quests work for a dragon class with your concept?
“Hey we know you’re not a dwarf but instead a dragon but here why don’t you reforge this super culturally significant armor and wear it.”

Lore-wise there shouldn't be a problem, since dragons are supposedly excellent at blending in with mortal races.

On a gameplay/mechanical side of the table, who cares? Honestly on the general side of things, who cares?

[Velzen]

Dalaran will be the new mainhub in 10.0 Dragonflight, but will be moved back to Hillsbrad. Mark my words.

Elune also gifted a seed to rebuild a Night Elf home and the Forsaken will rebuild theirs.

10.0 will deal with healing and restoring Azeroth's races and the scourge.

[plz delete account]

But if this were the case when why did Blizzard change the Legion DK campaign?
Originally the player was going to be able to raise DKs just with a spellbook, but instead they changed it to where you’d need to be directly empowered by the Lich King.

I’ve also seen a lot that DKs were originally supposed to be successful in raising Tirion as a DK, yet that was changed to having us get curb stomped beforehand.

Both changes made because some part of the playerbase got angry. Paladins threw an absolute fit when they saw DKs were going to raise Tyrion to be a DK in Legion's Beta.

[Local Ardenweald Faerie]

I'm a page or two late, but the PTR thing is a ploy.

They're doing it just so they have time to polish up and eventually unlock everything the moment the announcement ends.

[Nightshade711]

Playing "exactly like I want" would include the dragon transformation. Without that, you're just playing a variation of mage that heals with fire and shoots sand. Also tanking without the dragon form makes no sense.

So without the dragon transformation, even if it had everything else, you wouldn't play the class?

WotLK was far from MoP timewise?

Just about 4 years.

We have no idea what the potential size of the dragons could be. That's completely up to Blizzard.

Given that they didn't add ogres due to size back in Cataclysm, they're definitely going to be shorter than Ogres so that takes mount-sized out of the question.

Lore-wise there shouldn't be a problem, since dragons are supposedly excellent at blending in with mortal races.

On a gameplay/mechanical side of the table, who cares? Honestly on the general side of things, who cares?

Also it'd be a bit confusing for a good bit of players who click dwarf, read the whole lore/information thing on dwarves on the menu and even get dwarf racials... but everyone in the starting zone is like "lol jk you're a dragon"

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I'm a page or two late, but the PTR thing is a ploy.

They're doing it just so they have time to polish up and eventually unlock everything the moment the announcement ends.

100%
They don't wanna give away the story on how SL ties in with next xpac before we officially even know what next xpac is.

[Chickat]

I am here to in advance confirm that my colleagues are in fact stating the truth for 11.0

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Yes we are

Lmao. Actually laughed out loud.

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Oh no, might want to skip ahead a few pages, whoever is reading this in the future.

Oh no. What am I about to see.

[therumblings]

Oh no. What am I about to see.

Luckily the mods finally deleted all of the recent troll spam

[Chickat]

My fave expansions were wrath, MOP and legion, so I'm really hoping for something that makes me feel the way those three did in one way or another.

Particularly a return to 'exploring a mysterious and new world' feeling that MoP and Vanilla both had but most other expansions have lacked.

Yeah those are my 3 favs too.

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Question for the thread (side tangent):

What is your favorite expansion continent? Or, if you want to be more specific, zone?

Pandaria valley of the four winds. Jade Forrest and vale of eternal blossoms are also great.

[KayRule]

I really hope the next class is just some random asspull out of nowhere with no basis in WC3 or HotS so we can finally stop this hairsplitting debate every fucking day over what can and can't be a class.

[M4rtin]

I wonder if they're doing it as a precaution to prevent leaking even more stuff before the reveal.

Yea I'd say this is it.. there's likely some stuff in the next PTR build that would give away the announcement. Easier just delaying it until Tuesday/Wednesday now

[Chickat]

Different answers, Draenor and suramar

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Id say Eredath is great simply because of the amazing and well received dungeon

Suramar is also fantastic. It's beautiful and tells a great story. If we are talking about gameplay Suramars my favorite zone. Pure atmosphere valley of the four winds wins for me.

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Luckily the mods finally deleted all of the recent troll spam

Oh good to hear.