Dragonflight Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[Revamp Man]

I bet the reason we are not getting more photoshopped fake leaks is because of the real leak LOL. Probably ruined the plans and work of tons of people. Pretty dry season tbh.

Dry???
We had leaks daily and some weren’t bad
We also had more art than last season too

[Nightshade711]

Lore aside, yes the goal of the DK class was to give players a playable version of the Lich King. Which is why we occasionally get Lich King abilities.

But if this were the case when why did Blizzard change the Legion DK campaign?
Originally the player was going to be able to raise DKs just with a spellbook, but instead they changed it to where you’d need to be directly empowered by the Lich King.

I’ve also seen a lot that DKs were originally supposed to be successful in raising Tirion as a DK, yet that was changed to having us get curb stomped beforehand.

Uh, Death Knights were literally the Lich King's champions, and designed to be generals of his undead armies.

The wowpedia you’re reading is talking about WC3 DKs that Ner’zuhl empowered, not the kind of Death Knights that the player characters are.

[Yunravel]

But if this were the case when why did Blizzard change the Legion DK campaign?
Originally the player was going to be able to raise DKs just with a spellbook, but instead they changed it to where you’d need to be directly empowered by the Lich King.

I’ve also seen a lot that DKs were originally supposed to be successful in raising Tirion as a DK, yet that was changed to having us get curb stomped beforehand.




The wowpedia you’re reading is talking about WC3 DKs that Ner’zuhl empowered, not the kind of Death Knights that the player characters are.

yet, WC3 DK are technically (lore and timewise) the likes of Thassarian, Darion, Koltiras, Thalanor, Orbaz.

And guess what, we are 1000x more stronger than them and they call us Deathlord and we bring them to fight together as garrison units or summon horseman spell.

[ercarp]

I bet the reason we are not getting more photoshopped fake leaks is because of the real leak LOL. Probably ruined the plans and work of tons of people. Pretty dry season tbh.

That's exactly why. Because the real leak came out so early, now every subsequent leak has to be some variation of Dragonflight, which limits some of the... "creativity"... that we usually get during the leak season.

There were a few non-Dragonflight leaks that came out after the real leak dropped, but none of them gained any traction (for obvious reasons).

It would be cool if something else leaked before the announcement so we'd have something to talk about, but at this point I feel like we already know so much that I'm completely okay with just waiting until April 19th.

[Nightshade711]

Until literally no group takes you because that combo is a fraction of the DPS of warlock/mage or priest/mage, and none of your paladin abilities are worth hitting because the GCD would be better spent on a mage ability, and your standard rotation involves completely ignoring one of your classes because it just isn't worth the GCD to disrupt the mechanics of the higher dps one for anything other than a major CD.

This palyerbase couldn't even handle being asked to pick two abilities and some passives, and you dorks think adding an entire second class toolkit wouldn't just be an absolute shitshow?

I could see some M+ groups requiring some form of rogue combo for easier skips.
Stealth + sap, etc

[Revamp Man]

Until literally no group takes you because that combo is a fraction of the DPS of warlock/mage or priest/mage, and none of your paladin abilities are worth hitting because the GCD would be better spent on a mage ability, and your standard rotation involves completely ignoring one of your classes because it just isn't worth the GCD to disrupt the mechanics of the higher dps one for anything other than a major CD.

This palyerbase couldn't even handle being asked to pick two abilities and some passives, and you dorks think adding an entire second class toolkit wouldn't just be an absolute shitshow?

So RoM did it like this
Your main class had all the abilities
Your second class just gave the basic abilities so for WoW mage it would be the abilities shared between specs so blink and fireball

They also had a system where you could craft a scroll with rare mats and get a unique skill
Mage/pally(or what they call knight) had the first ability of consecration that moved with you

Now there’s also a skill leveling system but that’s besides the point

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yet, WC3 DK are technically (lore and timewise) the likes of Thassarian, Darion, Koltiras, Thalanor, Orbaz.

And guess what, we are 1000x more stronger than them and they call us Deathlord and we bring them to fight together as garrison units or summon horseman spell.

Our power has been gimped since then though
Technically we are no stronger after leaving SL than we were at the end of WoD because since then we haven’t had permanent power gain

[Teriz]

Might be a severe issue for a lot of players wanting to be like Wrathion...
But not a severe issue with the other 99% of the playerbase. Those that want to play a dragon-based class wouldn't care if they could turn into a dragon for 10 seconds or not at all.

I'm pretty sure that someone wanting to play a dragon-based class wants the ability to turn into a dragon. Especially if the heroes the class is based on can do it. Again, that's like saying players who want to be a Demon Hunter like Illidan don't care if they have metamorphosis or not.

Again, shares the name of the abilities sure. Doesn't mean they're the exact same or that the player is the Lich King.

Soul Reaper (LK Raid ability)
Soul Reaper
Melee Range
Instant
Strikes the target for 50% weapon damage and afflicts the target with Soul Reaper. This effect deals 9751 Shadow damage after 5 sec and increases the caster's haste by 100% for 5 sec.

Soul Reaper (DK ability-MoP)
Soul Reaper
5 yd range
Instant 6 sec cooldown
Strikes an enemy for 130% weapon damage and afflicts the target with Soul Reaper. After 5 sec, if the target is below 35% health, this effect will deal additional Shadow damage. If the enemy dies before this effect triggers, the Death Knight gains 50% haste for 5 sec.

That's quite a bit more than a simple name similarity.

If what you're proposing with dragons is true then DHs would've been given a permanent metamorphosis and at a minimum flight with demon wings to be exactly like the major lore character (Illidan)
The most we get is jumping into the air and gliding down while shooting fireballs.

Yeah, that's a straw man. That's not even close to what I'm proposing.

My mage can turn into a dragon as a mount though.
Does that make them a dragon or just a mortal empowered by dragons?

Players who want to be like Wrathion or Alexstraza want to do more than just turn into a mount.

[huth]

False all around btw.
Nowhere is it stated that he created the DKs in his own image.

Blizzard literally gave them his abilities. Doesn't get much more blatant than that.

It may not be outright stated, but you'd have to be blind not to realise.

[Teriz]

But if this were the case when why did Blizzard change the Legion DK campaign?
Originally the player was going to be able to raise DKs just with a spellbook, but instead they changed it to where you’d need to be directly empowered by the Lich King.

I’ve also seen a lot that DKs were originally supposed to be successful in raising Tirion as a DK, yet that was changed to having us get curb stomped beforehand.

The very fact that that was planned by Blizzard shows that we are designed to be a version of the LK.

The wowpedia you’re reading is talking about WC3 DKs that Ner’zuhl empowered, not the kind of Death Knights that the player characters are.

The WoW website also calls them the Lich King's champions;

https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/ga...s/death-knight

[Padwarle]

Welp, PTR offline until early next week.

https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wo...enance/1219927

[Yunravel]

So RoM did it like this
Your main class had all the abilities
Your second class just gave the basic abilities so for WoW mage it would be the abilities shared between specs so blink and fireball

They also had a system where you could craft a scroll with rare mats and get a unique skill
Mage/pally(or what they call knight) had the first ability of consecration that moved with you

Now there’s also a skill leveling system but that’s besides the point

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Our power has been gimped since then though
Technically we are no stronger after leaving SL than we were at the end of WoD because since then we haven’t had permanent power gain

I agree with you on that, even though I think adventures brings artifacts, items and forms of power and experience, we're probably on their level or slightly higher, 1000x was pretty much hyperbolic tbh. Not completely even to the end of WoD or it would have mean we've done nothing while we did accomplished stuff.

[therumblings]

Welp, PTR offline until early next week.

https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wo...enance/1219927

Just in time for the Dragonflight announcement... coincidence? I think not.

[Nightshade711]

I'm pretty sure that someone wanting to play a dragon-based class wants the ability to turn into a dragon. Especially if the heroes the class is based on can do it. Again, that's like saying players who want to be a Demon Hunter like Illidan don't care if they have metamorphosis or not.

So if they introduced a dragon-based class that plays exactly like what you want but without the transformation you wouldn’t play it at all?

Now if there were actual consistent player demands for an actual playable dragon class I'd see them at most doing a "stand still while you breathe fire in dragon form thing"... but that's not even close to being a popular demand

That's quite a bit more than a simple name similarity.

They still do different things. One is just a damage ability that always increases haste.
The other is an execute that only increases haste if the target actually dies.
Plus that’s an ability from MoP, far after they were introduced so using this as a “DKs were meant to be Lich King copies during launch” is false.
(Not to mention the ability is completely different now)

Obviously, since class balance has to be considered.

Players who want to be like Wrathion or Alexstraza want to do more than just turn into a mount.

So a flight form or a cosmetic demon appearance breaks class balance?
With your logic the metamorphosis CD would’ve been like Illidan in BT where he just turns all dark with glowing tattoos.

And as you’ve seen with every class before, players aren’t gonna turn into full dragons outside of maybe a mount flight form which still would be explained away as being empowered like with Tarecgosa’s rest.

Also how tf would heritage armors/quests work for a dragon class with your concept?
“Hey we know you’re not a dwarf but instead a dragon but here why don’t you reforge this super culturally significant armor and wear it.”

[ercarp]

Just in time for the Dragonflight announcement... coincidence? I think not.

I wonder if they're doing it as a precaution to prevent leaking even more stuff before the reveal.

[Catastrophy349]

From the World of Warcraft email I just received "Drop into the World of Warcraft® Livestream Event on April 19 at 9am PT to sit down with the WoW development team and learn about the upcoming expansion. We’re excited to show you what we’ve been working on and where your adventures in Azeroth will go next!"

Livestream!

[NikolaiShade]

I wonder if they're doing it as a precaution to prevent leaking even more stuff before the reveal.

well... someone could argue there's not much else to leak before the reveal other than the reveal itself

[Hitei]

From the World of Warcraft email I just received "Drop into the World of Warcraft® Livestream Event on April 19 at 9am PT to sit down with the WoW development team and learn about the upcoming expansion. We’re excited to show you what we’ve been working on and where your adventures in Azeroth will go next!"

Livestream!

Why else would it also be on twitch? It'll be a pre-recorded livestream event.

[LemonDemonGirl]

GW2 does wings and wing skins perfectly. Plus you can glide with them. I absolutely love the golden falcon wings I have on my main.

Like I've been an engineer since vanilla and I'd still be okay with just straight up making gliding wings something anyone can find/earn/etc

Demon Hunter double jump and glide for everyone

Honestly, I could see 'Wing stuff' in WoW just being a type of Mount that just... literally gives your character wings. Might have a diffrent animation for casting it too.

[Catastrophy349]

Why else would it also be on twitch? It'll be a pre-recorded livestream event.

Stop it! Don't ruin my HYPE!

[Teriz]

So if they introduced a dragon-based class that plays exactly like what you want but without the transformation you wouldn’t play it at all?

Playing "exactly like I want" would include the dragon transformation. Without that, you're just playing a variation of mage that heals with fire and shoots sand. Also tanking without the dragon form makes no sense.

They still do different things. One is just a damage ability that always increases haste.
The other is an execute that only increases haste if the target actually dies.
Plus that’s an ability from MoP, far after they were introduced so using this as a “DKs were meant to be Lich King copies during launch” is false.
(Not to mention the ability is completely different now)

WotLK was far from MoP timewise?

In both cases you have attack that deals weapons damage, delayed shadow damage and grants haste to the caster. The difference is that there's no condition to the LK getting the haste, there is a condition getting the haste for the DK, because of class balance.

The point is, they're essentially the same ability.

So a flight form or a cosmetic demon appearance breaks class balance?
With your logic the metamorphosis CD would’ve been like Illidan in BT where he just turns all dark with glowing tattoos.

Sorry, I have no idea what you're talking about here.

And as you’ve seen with every class before, players aren’t gonna turn into full dragons outside of maybe a mount flight form which still would be explained away as being empowered like with Tarecgosa’s rest.

We have no idea what the potential size of the dragons could be. That's completely up to Blizzard.

Also how tf would heritage armors/quests work for a dragon class with your concept?
“Hey we know you’re not a dwarf but instead a dragon but here why don’t you reforge this super culturally significant armor and wear it.”

Lore-wise there shouldn't be a problem, since dragons are supposedly excellent at blending in with mortal races.

On a gameplay/mechanical side of the table, who cares? Honestly on the general side of things, who cares?