Dragonflight Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[TriHard]

Isn't the Demon Hunter class immortal? Doesn't get more powerful than that, lmao

[Teriz]

Isn't the Demon Hunter class immortal? Doesn't get more powerful than that, lmao

Yep. And the funny thing is that dragons are not immortal.

[Revamp Man]

He was an irrelevant side character like Chen so there can't be a class based on Cho'gal

He doesn’t have a connection to any big lore characters or organizations either

[Teriz]

Especially considering DKs are literally empowered by said character, directly contradicting what he said.

They were also created by him in his own image. He essentially created weaker versions of himself. What Nightshade is proposing is the equivalent of the Lich King making you a standard Necromancer, instead of a version of himself, and a leader of the scourge.

[Nightshade711]

But a dragon is no stronger than your typical class. Our characters have killed scores of dragons, sometimes solo.

But you've said players want to be lore characters and that's the main reason why you believe blizzard would do that instead of the same exact class but without a dragon transformation.

They are a version of him though, which is why they can get abilities directly from him.

Player DKs are not the Lich King in the slightest. The closest they get to being the Lich King is from getting empowered by a major lore character (the actual Lich King)

Having a few abilities named after some of his aren't the same.
Druids, Fire Mages and Warriors all have dragon named abilities that do things that dragons do. Does that make them a version of dragons?

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Isn't the Demon Hunter class immortal? Doesn't get more powerful than that, lmao

Draenei and all elves are immortal too. Unless we've seen one die of old age that I am missing.

[Hitei]

Combining 2 classes is my new favorite thing ever after playing Tiny Tina's Wonderlands

You think you do...

[Triceron]

The more lucrative option is to tie the class concept to major lore figures and allow players to essentially be those characters.

I totally agree.

And they're fully capable of tying mortals to having access to the powers of major lore figures already, so having both a new class and new race would work just fine.

Also ability-wise, dragons aren’t really like the playable classes, they use their own draconic abilities.

Which is why a new Dragon race to compliment the class would be ideal

[ercarp]

Draenei and all elves are immortal too. Unless we've seen one die of old age that I am missing.

We haven't seen any draenei die of old age yet but they do live stupidly long lives; I'm pretty sure Velen is around 20,000 years old but doesn't look a day over 70. But they are still mortal as far as the lore is concerned.

As for all elves being immortal... Well, there's a case to be made for some of them, but not all. For example I'm pretty sure high elves and blood elves are mortal. They live a couple thousand years, I think, but they do age and die of old age eventually.

Night elves I'm a bit confused about as I'm not sure if they've retconned things, but the last time I cared to read about their lore, the general consensus was that they were immortal but lost that immortality after the Third War.

Not sure what the case for Nightborne is. They're probably still immortal tbh.

As for void elves, no idea. Does becoming infused with Void grant immortality?

[Revamp Man]

Alex heals with her fire
Chromie CCs with time
Wrathion explodes with his elementium bolts

If only we had some way for mortals to get the ability to emulate those dragons
Almost like the dragons grant a boon to the mortals allowing them to use their powers in exchange for them swearing their service
But what would we call this impossible class
Well it’s based off the mortals swearing to dragons so maybe dracon swears??? Nah
Hmmm I wonder what it could possibly be called

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You think you do...

After playing Runes of Magic I know I do

[Teriz]

But you've said players want to be lore characters and that's the main reason why you believe blizzard would do that instead of the same exact class but without a dragon transformation.

Yeah, and players are able to be versions of those characters by having the main abilities and attributes of those characters. Thus, it would be a severe issue for a lot of players wanting to be like Wrathion if they can't turn into a dragon in combat like Wrathion.

Player DKs are not the Lich King in the slightest. The closest they get to being the Lich King is from getting empowered by a major lore character (the actual Lich King)

Having a few abilities named after some of his aren't the same.

Again, they're essentially playable versions of the LK. For example, after WotLK, DKs got Soul Reaper and Remorseless Winter which came directly from the Lich King raid fight. When the Lich King showed up in HotS, DKs got Frostwyrm's Fury from that hero.

An even bigger example is Demon Hunters, where the entire purpose of that class' existence is to be like Illidan. Could you imagine that instead of Demon Hunters, you play as an Illidari Taskmaster instead of a Demon Hunter? That's what you're proposing here.

Druids, Fire Mages and Warriors all have dragon named abilities that do things that dragons do. Does that make them a version of dragons?

Nope, because dragons can turn into dragons. Those classes are simply empowered by dragons.

[Nightshade711]

They were also created by him in his own image. He essentially created weaker versions of himself. What Nightshade is proposing is the equivalent of the Lich King making you a standard Necromancer, instead of a version of himself, and a leader of the scourge.

False all around btw.
Nowhere is it stated that he created the DKs in his own image.
(Especially the first actual Death Knights that weren't warlocks who were Paladins empowered by the Ner'zuhl Lich King)

The first words to DKs is that he empowered them (or bistowed upon them) and granted them immortality.
Nor are we even leaders, we're just foot soldiers following his/darion's orders until Legion.

We haven't seen any draenei die of old age yet but they do live stupidly long lives; I'm pretty sure Velen is around 20,000 years old but doesn't look a day over 70. But they are still mortal as far as the lore is concerned.

As for all elves being immortal... Well, there's a case to be made for some of them, but not all. For example I'm pretty sure high elves and blood elves are mortal. They live a couple thousand years, I think, but they do age and die of old age eventually.

Night elves I'm a bit confused about as I'm not sure if they've retconned things, but the last time I cared to read about their lore, the general consensus was that they were immortal but lost that immortality after the Third War.

Not sure what the case for Nightborne is. They're probably still immortal tbh.

As for void elves, no idea. Does becoming infused with Void grant immortality?

I forgot about blood elves, though I haven't seen them actually dying of old age.

Night elves idk what's up with that. They're still showing no sign of dying of old age or even aging at all.

[SniperCT]

We haven't seen any draenei die of old age yet but they do live stupidly long lives; I'm pretty sure Velen is around 20,000 years old but doesn't look a day over 70. But they are still mortal as far as the lore is concerned.

As for all elves being immortal... Well, there's a case to be made for some of them, but not all. For example I'm pretty sure high elves and blood elves are mortal. They live a couple thousand years, I think, but they do age and die of old age eventually.

Night elves I'm a bit confused about as I'm not sure if they've retconned things, but the last time I cared to read about their lore, the general consensus was that they were immortal but lost that immortality after the Third War.

Not sure what the case for Nightborne is. They're probably still immortal tbh.

As for void elves, no idea. Does becoming infused with Void grant immortality?

High Elves (and their offshoots) are all very much mortal. Though the upper age range tends to flucutate based on who's writing it lol. 3000 is probably a good upper end.

Nelves are now in the same boat, though I don't think anyone knows what their upper limit is now. I'd assume most nelves have at least another 3-5k years in them. But they could be like Draenei and super long lived. Drae are fun to figure out. You could have one born on Argus, another born in space, or (like I did) one born literally as they were crash landing on Draenor. (she likes to joke that since she was a twin, she was born in space (technically) and her sister born on draenor)


With the Nightwell diminished it's likely NB lost their immortality too.

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False all around btw.
Nowhere is it stated that he created the DKs in his own image.
(Especially the first actual Death Knights that weren't warlocks who were Paladins empowered by the Ner'zuhl Lich King)

The first words to DKs is that he empowered them (or bistowed upon them) and granted them immortality.
Nor are we even leaders, we're just foot soldiers following his/darion's orders until Legion.


I forgot about blood elves, though I haven't seen them actually dying of old age.

Night elves idk what's up with that. They're still showing no sign of dying of old age or even aging at all.

None of the lore characters we have are at all old enough to really show signs of aging. And it's been about 10-15 years since nelves lost immortality. But since Belves can live 1000+ it's likely we won't see nelves aging for centuries yet.

[Hitei]

After playing Runes of Magic I know I do

You really don't though.

[plz delete account]

Plane of Order and the Gardens of Life come to mind...

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"Light/Elune"

uhhh...no.

Shadowlands was first mentioned in the DK starting zone in WOTLK iirc. Maybe even WC3, but not sure on the latter one.

[Revamp Man]

You really don't though.

Paladin mage says I do

[Nightshade711]

Yeah, and players are able to be versions of those characters by having the main abilities and attributes of those characters. Thus, it would be a severe issue for a lot of players wanting to be like Wrathion if they can't turn into a dragon in combat like Wrathion.

Might be a severe issue for a lot of players wanting to be like Wrathion...
But not a severe issue with the other 99% of the playerbase. Those that want to play a dragon-based class wouldn't care if they could turn into a dragon for 10 seconds or not at all.

Again, they're essentially playable versions of the LK. For example, after WotLK, DKs got Soul Reaper and Remorseless Winter which came directly from the Lich King raid fight. When the Lich King showed up in HotS, DKs got Frostwyrm's Fury from that hero.

Again, shares the name of the abilities sure. Doesn't mean they're the exact same or that the player is the Lich King.
I love being able to mass res my raid and turn them into DKs (or even turn a singular person into a DK without getting empowered by the Lich King directly), turning Vrykul into Val'kyr, commanding more than two undead for an extended period of time...

An even bigger example is Demon Hunters, where the entire purpose of that class' existence is to be like Illidan. Could you imagine that instead of Demon Hunters, you play as an Illidari Taskmaster instead of a Demon Hunter? That's what you're proposing here.

If what you're proposing with dragons is true then DHs would've been given a permanent metamorphosis and at a minimum flight with demon wings to be exactly like the major lore character (Illidan)
The most we get is jumping into the air and gliding down while shooting fireballs.

Nope, because dragons can turn into dragons. Those classes are simply empowered by dragons.

My mage can turn into a dragon as a mount though.
Does that make them a dragon or just a mortal empowered by dragons?

[Blayze]

Shadowlands was first mentioned in the DK starting zone in WOTLK iirc. Maybe even WC3, but not sure on the latter one.

I thought that was the Realm of Shadows or something back in Wrath.

[Teriz]

False all around btw.
Nowhere is it stated that he created the DKs in his own image.
(Especially the first actual Death Knights that weren't warlocks who were Paladins empowered by the Ner'zuhl Lich King)

Lore aside, yes the goal of the DK class was to give players a playable version of the Lich King. Which is why we occasionally get Lich King abilities.

The first words to DKs is that he empowered them (or bistowed upon them) and granted them immortality.
Nor are we even leaders, we're just foot soldiers following his/darion's orders until Legion.

Uh, Death Knights were literally the Lich King's champions, and designed to be generals of his undead armies.

[zeir]

I bet the reason we are not getting more photoshopped fake leaks is because of the real leak LOL. Probably ruined the plans and work of tons of people. Pretty dry season tbh.

[plz delete account]

I thought that was the Realm of Shadows or something back in Wrath.

No, there was a firm mention IIRC in the starting zone for DKs of the Shadowlands. At the time it was literally just a blurred, grayscale version of Azeroth.