Dragonflight Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[Fahrad Wagner]

This can be solved by making the new player race chromatic dragons. It's canon, could be a cool story development, and gives players more options instead of less.

I'd love that. Give me those sweet iridescend purple scalezzzzzz

[Wangming]

Nothing stops you from having this right now with addons.

See that's the problem. I shouldn't need third party software to solve any of this.

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I'd love that. Give me those sweet iridescend purple scalezzzzzz

Is that you, Mace Windu?

[Fahrad Wagner]

Is that you, Mace Windu?

Keep that name, out of your flaming mouth (I hate that character )

[Lady Atia]

I think Bellular, MrGM, T&E, and Preach all deserve interviews and would do a good highlighting different perspectives for different segments of the community. But I'd love to see some smaller content creators as well.

I would also add Hazel, Dratnos and Tettles to that list. Would give a good mix of casual and elite content players.

[Shadochi]

Oh gosh how did we not remember to add Marla the Miner before to the train

[Cosmic Janitor]

Since we are on the subject of UI tweek requests. I want my UI to be more fantasy. A weird request I know. But for me the UI is more immersive in a fantasy game if it gives up more fantasy vibes. The best one was probably in Dragon Age: Origins. Give me scrolls of parchments and books as windows. Give me the sound of paper when I open a menu. Yes, the layout also needs some work and we need a controller optimized version for an eventual console release.
But I want my fantasy UI theme.

I doubt Blizzard is every going to do that. The general trend is to make the UI more fugly as time goes on. Pretty much half the playerbase and more use fucking sterile space ship UIs with random icons strewn across their screen thanks to WA. Investing in an UI update seems folly to me, given most people seemingly try to get as far away from it as possible (even though I prefer it as well).

[Sondrelk]

Oh gosh how did we not remember to add Marla the Miner before to the train

Everyone knows the birb has always been inside the train all along. It's just now we get to see who is actually driving the train.

[Shinrael]

Nothing stops you from having this right now with addons.

Uuuh, no you can't? Outside of AzeriteUI (which has some severe functionality issues still, after years in development) no other addon gives you a WoW themed UI that fits a fantasy world, much less one that actually looks good. Diablo UI and GW2 don't count here obviously. They are not Warcraft/Fantasy-themed and they are definetely not what the user you're quoting is describing. Please, do enlighten me if I missed some really good new UI addon. I beg you.

Hard disagree on T&E, the rest of them are solid though

Care to elaborate why? T&E are probably the best WoW content creators. Now, Preach does some amazing analysis of WoW, but he does nothing else. He doesn't do story, he doesn't do creative design (not sure how else to categorize coming up with Class Skin ideas, new Classes, new game features, etc). Asmon also has some interesting discussions but he doesn't even dive deep. Bellular is the fastest uploader and has the biggest variety of content (gameplay, balance, story, fantasy, features, models, guides, etc) but doesn't dive as deep as Taliesin and isn't very creative with his suggestions/ideas, whereas Taliesin puts a lot of imagination and effort there. EVEN if you dislike his ideas, the effort he puts in them is objectively amazing. The story analysis he does is amazing. Even if far fetched at times, he makes sure to remind us it's his headcannon. He doesn't enforce anything. Really, you picked the one guy who isn't doing anything wrong?

[ercarp]

Everyone knows the birb has always been inside the train all along. It's just now we get to see who is actually driving the train.

This is true.

[Shadochi]

Everyone knows the birb has always been inside the train all along. It's just now we get to see who is actually driving the train.

Ah, so what the artist meant to represent in that image is Marla stepping out of the community, symbolized by him being no longer in the train itself.

[MrGMYT]

Ah, so what the artist meant to represent in that image is Marla stepping out of the community, symbolized by him being no longer in the train itself.

Marlamin IS the train

[Shadochi]

Probably not a popular take, but I don't like "content crestors" like him. You're not employed by Blizzard, let it go mate. People who come up with all these ridiculous stories and made up classes irritate me, because it seems insulting to the actual employees of Blizzzard. They are running around saying but look how much smarter I am, look what I came up with, why can't we have this in game instead of the stuff that some employee spent their time actually developing. It seems insulting to me to poop all over the actual story and content we do get.

I'm not saying I love all the content and classes and story we get, but it is what we get, and to run around going "see, it should be this instead" is just weird and goofy to me.

To add to this, people often use info they found online about custom servers with a classless approach/new classes, and say how these hobbyist are doing much more than blizzar. But they ever actually tried something like that out they would find the following:
1. The classes are mostly just reusing everything blizzard provided in the game
2. New or reused stuff is buggy in every way
3. Almost no balance went into it, just added it to make cool
4. Almost no polish or such, also often enough doesn't regard the position of that class in the world

So would you like to play a class that is buggy, made of reused assets mostly, unbalanced and didn't have any additional mentions in the world when it got added? (All 3 races so far with their addition had story from there onwards regarding the class and the world)

[Marlamin]

Ah, so what the artist meant to represent in that image is Marla stepping out of the community, symbolized by him being no longer in the train itself.

Marlamin IS the train

pls stop

[Shadochi]

Marlamin IS the train

I had to do it:

[Blayze]

Marlamin IS the train

"I am my cars!"

[Raetary]

I am truly honored, I can now safely retire.

Your legacy shall be remembered.

But their announcements have been terrible for the past 2 years. Ever since BlizzCon 2019, they've done awful presentations. Remember BlizzConline 2021? We basically got a lacklustre patch trailer with Uther walking past Anduin, and a few bullet points. The rest was TBCC this and TBCC that.

I really hope the April 19th announcement is a smash hit, and I'm excited as hell. Just saying that until Blizzard proves otherwise, they've really forgotten how to do good announcements.

You are comparing sulky patch announcements of which one was during prime time covid and the other after the harassment lawsuit.
The expansion reveal, for one, is not a follow up to such events and they had more than enough time to organize a proper expansion deep dive.

After the whole fiasco that the last 2 years have been, i doubt Blizzard can afford to dumb down their biggest money making announcement to a mere 10 minute video where half of it is about 'Lava that we have never seen before'.

They either do a regular expansion reveal or they might as well just pack up and go home.

[Shadochi]

Your legacy shall be remembered.



You are comparing sulky patch announcements of which one was during prime time covid and the other after the harassment lawsuit.
The expansion reveal, for one, is not a follow up to such events and they had more than enough time to organize a proper expansion deep dive.

After the whole fiasco that the last 2 years have been, i doubt Blizzard can afford to dumb down their biggest money making announcement to a mere 10 minute video where half of it is about 'Lava that we have never seen before'.

They either do a regular expansion reveal or they might as well just pack up and go home.

This so much.

For Blizzconline they had to compromise due to circumstances, and I personally quite enjoyed what they pulled off.

If you were to compare the 9.1 Blizzconline to other non-blizzcon patch announcement it is far greater than those. Comparing the online version to the in person version of the announcements isn't really fair.

[Izalla]

Difference being that the DH intro cinematic didn't exist yet.

Besides, Gul'dan's involvement in ushering the Legion was heavily speculated. So was Illidan's return with Chris Metzen literally asking if we wanted him back at Blizzcon to cheers. We knew it was happening, we just thought it would be an expansion earlier than it did.

So all we have from this guy is that a class and or race is involved that have overlap with how Blizzard has previously implemented things, plus a cold reading that SOME interpreted to mean Evoker. When the race/class part has been speculated to be the case by 40 other leaks as well.

Who gives a shit?

On top of this, the green fire quests heavily implied Illidan was coming back and were directly related to Illidan and the Black Temple. Not saying scaleface was or was not in the know, but we all knew Illidan was on his way back into the story soon and anyone guessing demon hunters was also guessing Illidan (and vice versa).

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With Bellulars video the other day. I do think they are going to just ppPoof the sword as it could be written in material, they just dont want to deal with. Now with the gift seed item linking to the next expansion it could be a new world tree.

As cool as it sounds to plant the tree over the sword wound, that is just asking for the Grizzly Hills fiasco all over again. The roots WOULD reach C'thun and his body WOULD corrupt it worse than Teldrassil. Grizzly Hills isn't even directly above Yogg's prison and that world tree still got so messed up that they had to cut it down and it was still making the furbolgs crazy during Wrath. Gorribal is way closer to C'thun so instant disaster.

(And if you think being dead is gonna stop that from being a problem, ask the Pandaren how having a dead Old God's single organ affected their home.

[Pheraz]

Uuuh, no you can't? Outside of AzeriteUI (which has some severe functionality issues still, after years in development) no other addon gives you a WoW themed UI that fits a fantasy world, much less one that actually looks good. Diablo UI and GW2 don't count here obviously. They are not Warcraft/Fantasy-themed and they are definetely not what the user you're quoting is describing. Please, do enlighten me if I missed some really good new UI addon. I beg you.



Care to elaborate why? T&E are probably the best WoW content creators. Now, Preach does some amazing analysis of WoW, but he does nothing else. He doesn't do story, he doesn't do creative design (not sure how else to categorize coming up with Class Skin ideas, new Classes, new game features, etc). Asmon also has some interesting discussions but he doesn't even dive deep. Bellular is the fastest uploader and has the biggest variety of content (gameplay, balance, story, fantasy, features, models, guides, etc) but doesn't dive as deep as Taliesin and isn't very creative with his suggestions/ideas, whereas Taliesin puts a lot of imagination and effort there. EVEN if you dislike his ideas, the effort he puts in them is objectively amazing. The story analysis he does is amazing. Even if far fetched at times, he makes sure to remind us it's his headcannon. He doesn't enforce anything. Really, you picked the one guy who isn't doing anything wrong?

What issues? Rocking azeriteui since years
If you find some issues you can use masque + azerite masque on normal bartender bars

[Kiria]

“Hm yes this is my mortal form whose purpose is to blend in with mortals to an extent.”



At that point just make their “mortal form” just an actual smaller dragon like the time lost drake pet from chrome scenario.

I don't think Blizz would take that chance, beast looking races are only wanted by a minority they'd want to appeal to the masses and bring people back.

Not trying to sh*t on your parade but I cannot see them doing this seeing as how unpopular Pandas are.