Dragonflight Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[Zharikov]

If season 4 goes well it would make sense to remove LFR, lower the difficulty of Normal & Heroic raid difficulty, for the full implementation of Mythic+ Raiding

That's pretty close to how FF runs it I feel. No LFR, but normal uses their LFR tool and is somewhere between the difficulty of wow lfr and wow normal. That said it also just has one raid with multiple wings spread out, so...

[Ersula]

I highly doubt we will ever see the removal of LFR. We are more likely to see the removal of normal or even mythic before as people like the ability to just queue into lfr and wont touch higher difficulties because they cant queue. We see this even mega-dungeons where people refuse to do them til they introduce them to LFD where they are split in half.

I'm saying if they're serious about Mythic plus raiding with affixes, they'll make normal & heroic raiding queueable, to keep everything consistent:

[ahgsfds]

I highly doubt we will ever see the removal of LFR. We are more likely to see the removal of normal or even mythic before as people like the ability to just queue into lfr and wont touch higher difficulties because they cant queue. We see this even mega-dungeons where people refuse to do them til they introduce them to LFD where they are split in half.

I'd go different way:
- remove LFR
- leave normal for casuals, with heroic being hardmode style from Ulduar. For those who didn't play back then it was activated by either pressing a big red button or doing certain mechanics. More fun
- mythic for hardcore

It would lower amount of content somehow, but at the same time it would make it more fun. Runing the same thing on 4 difficulties is just poo. That's my personal hope.

[Zharikov]

I highly doubt we will ever see the removal of LFR. We are more likely to see the removal of normal or even mythic before as people like the ability to just queue into lfr and wont touch higher difficulties because they cant queue. We see this even mega-dungeons where people refuse to do them til they introduce them to LFD where they are split in half.

Absolutely agree there. WoD was the closest they got to removing lfr I feel (in the sense they made the cosmetics and rewards so bad they wanted to discourage people from doing them,) and people hated it and they went back on that.

[Fartlas]

That's pretty close to how FF runs it I feel. No LFR, but normal uses their LFR tool and is somewhere between the difficulty of wow lfr and wow normal. That said it also just has one raid with multiple wings spread out, so...

FF's normal raids are easier than WoW's LFR though, the only piece of 'casual' raiding content that is marginally difficult just happens to be the last boss of the first wing of Aglaia AR that came out with 6.1

[Nymrohd]

If season 4 goes well it would make sense to remove LFR, lower the difficulty of Normal & Heroic raid difficulty, for the full implementation of Mythic+ Raiding

Make a proper "Story mode" instead of LFR and just let people queue for normal.

Honestly on heroic and mythic my opinion is they are fine as they are and do not need "+". What we could get is something as simple as the ESO trifecta leaderboards; who can clear Mythic the fastest with no deaths.

[Hitei]

Appears to be using the new "World" text, consistent with the Alexstrasza picture.

[ChronoSul]

I'd go different way:
- remove LFR
- leave normal for casuals, with heroic being hardmode style from Ulduar. For those who didn't play back then it was activated by either pressing a big red button or doing certain mechanics. More fun
- mythic for hardcore

It would lower amount of content somehow, but at the same time it would make it more fun. Runing the same thing on 4 difficulties is just poo. That's my personal hope.

It wouldnt ever happen unless normal becomes queueable. While it does suck running the same raid on 4 difficulties in theory there are probably not a lot of people who do progress from lfr to mythic. Its 2 different audiences, I know personally that I only touched LFR for legendary patterns in shadowlands and before hand the last time i did was legion for tier.

[SniperCT]

If season 4 goes well it would make sense to remove LFR, lower the difficulty of Normal & Heroic raid difficulty, for the full implementation of Mythic+ Raiding

If they remove LFR they need to make normal mode queue-able. That's like..the entire reason I do LFR

[ExiHext]

If they remove LFR they need to make normal mode queue-able. That's like..the entire reason I do LFR

There will never be no queue-able raid mode, don't worry.

And if they ever remove LFR, normal mode will get nerfed til it's like LFR. Imagine queueable normal mode in Dragonsoul difficulty. xD
There is a reason why LFR is as easy as it is nowadays.

[SniperCT]

There will never be no queue-able raid mode, don't worry.

I hope so. I think FF14 has proved you can have queue-able raids that are still somewhat challenging!

[ercarp]

I don't know if it's been mentioned yet, but if that Dragonflight "leak" turns out to be true, with the introduction of micro-classes, I would be surprised if Blizzard didn't copy over the multi class system from FF14. Seems like a good way to convince people to play the new classes more easily, fix account-wide rep issues, and consolidating alts.

I don't think multi-classing makes sense for WoW. And besides, most people already have a shit ton of alts. Adding the ability to play any class you want on your main would render most of your alts completely useless.

[Kiivar86]

Unless queuing for normal raids is automatic, akin to how LFR does it, it won't really work. You'll just see people put sky high requirements like they do for other things.

And then a lot of players who only LFR (I'm one such) will just leave. I'm not jumping to a different tier. I'm honestly happy where I am. But if LFR is removed, that's one large incentive keeping me around that's gone. And I highly suspect a fair amount are similar.

Removing LFR is a non-starter and people really need to accept that. They tried the closest thing they could in WoD. And it lasted all of a patch, two patches, really.

[MoanaLisa]

If season 4 goes well it would make sense to remove LFR, lower the difficulty of Normal & Heroic raid difficulty, for the full implementation of Mythic+ Raiding

They are likely never going to remove the only easy mode of raiding that guarantees a seat in a raid group if you meet the minimal requirements. Dream on. Despite everything else that would drastically lower the percentage of players who actually see the raid in any difficulty and put raiding back on the path it was on before they added LFR to start with. LFR was purely a play to increase the ROI on resource investment for raids. It worked, too.

[ExiHext]

I hope so. I think FF14 has proved you can have queue-able raids that are still somewhat challenging!

FF is a bit of another beast. The last time I played the raid wings consisted of just one boss (and perhaps one trash group, Alexander I guess?). And because of the smaller raid sizes you don't wait 45min for an invite. If your group fails hard you just queue again. You don't do this with LFR and its queue times. A three boss wing can easily last for 45min-1h (last time I did LFR).

[Ersula]

They are likely never going to remove the only easy mode of raiding that guarantees a seat in a raid group if you meet the minimal requirements. Dream on.

I was implying Normal & Heroic raiding would be queueable, to make it like dungeons. What other purpose would Normal & Heroic have when Mythic+ raiding exists?

[Mferna]

It’s 3 days before this thing and we’re talking about LFR… lol read the room guys

[ExiHext]

It’s 3 days before this thing and we’re talking about LFR… lol read the room guys

Go on talking about that nonsensical riddle because that's surely worthwhile...

[Wangming]

My take:

Dragonsworn will be a Hero Cllass and will utilize the Class Skin system so that all Dragonflights will be represented and not leave us with a Monk situation where Xuen, Niuzao, and Yu'lon are repesented but Chi-Ji isn't.

(this is assuming the leaks are true)

MY take is that one spec of Evoker will evoke dragons. Another will evoke Wild Gods. And so on.

[Kiivar86]

It’s 3 days before this thing and we’re talking about LFR… lol read the room guys

I do admit it made me laugh to just click to the last page (there being like 15+ pages since i last visited) and see "remove LFR" talk again.

What year is it? Hah.