Dragonflight Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[Varodoc]

"No Alleria Windrunner" You're playing with fire Fahrad!

People love Alleria. The Community has made that clear. We see the numbers and we see that Void elves are the most played allied race. People like Alleria because she is one of the few WC characters who never flip-flops, and people like Alleria and Turalyon because they are one of the few and truly decent couples in Warcraft, with no toxicity.

[Wangming]

I really want to give it a serious try soon

The base game experience got a lot better. if you can wait till next expansion you will get to first see it with engine updates. With Hrothgar still horribly butchered, a lot of people are hopiuming for at least the female option during 6.x. So I would wait another expac if you haven't really played it much

As someone who plays WoW for roleplay and for PvP, the PvP update, from everything I've seen from friends, has made me consider giving FFXIV another shot. I just finished the fairy zone in Shadowbringers last summer when I was finally burned out from a month of continuous levelling and story that I simply didn't resub. Absolutely was already planning on giving it another shot at some point anyway but said PvP might make that sooner rather than later.

I haven't tried it yet, but everyone is having blast.

Yeah, I thought 'Vampires' were supposed to beautiful/attractive. Y'know, so they can lure in prey?

They can also be stealthy or good at mindrape. Or maybe both. Nosferatu in Vampire the Masquerade are about as atttractive as Vanilla character models, yet they are super popular.

I have many things to see yet, and I guess that this will sound weird, but I love how good every system works. Everything feel very polished, every system that I have tried is done in a very smart and comfortable way for the player. A lot of it is optional! Like the new adventurer plate! A thing in which I was not interested at all, and I ended up spending a lot of time into.

WoW need that kind of stuff! WoW does not need to (and cannot) compete with FFXIV'S story, but in how welcoming it is to the player and how friendly and respectful with their time, they should practically copy everything.

So yes, make everything account wide, is about time. I want to play any character whenever I want with the progress that I have already made with other character. I think that all of us will want to play more with a system like that.

Pretty much this. No need to try being another FFXIV. That would fail like all the games that tried to simply be another WoW.
But professions and respect for time is something it does really really well.

[Raetary]

Oh boy, we summoned the forbidden one.

[Varodoc]

By the way 9.X Speculation thread, I know you are trying to make me salty, but I would not be annoyed one bit if the Ren'dorei were ignored once again. One bit. Surely they would be ignored because Blizzard deemed it acceptable to feature them in 11.0 instead. I am sure of this. So I would take it and move on with my theories and speculation.

[Blayze]

By the way 9.X Speculation thread, I know you are trying to make me salty, but I would not be annoyed one bit if the Ren'dorei were ignored once again. One bit. Surely they would be ignored because Blizzard deemed it acceptable to feature them in 11.0 instead. I am sure of this. So I would take it and move on with my theories and speculation.

It's not surprising. Half of each faction were ignored even before Blizzard doubled the playable races; what chance do Allied Races have, given they step on existing races' thematic toes?

[Fahrad Wagner]

Oh boy, we summoned the forbidden one.

It works like a charm everytime.

Did we discover anything else in the scaleface code or did it end at the dracthyr thing?

Nah, just that and that it may be a troll thing, it redirects us to some kind of dragon thingy that looks like a pokemon

[huth]

Yeah, I thought 'Vampires' were supposed to beautiful/attractive. Y'know, so they can lure in prey?

Nah, that's a fairly recent trend. Didn't mention Twilight for nothing there. Orlok is even known specificially for being ugly... and Venthyr are modeled in no small part after him.

[Dioporco]

Now that you are talking about ducks i have noticed that there arent any in wow?

[huth]

Now that you are talking about ducks i have noticed that there arent any in wow?

There aren't any what in WoW?

[Wangming]

Now that you are talking about ducks i have noticed that there arent any in wow?

Really? None? Not even in Pandaria? In the soup?

[Fahrad Wagner]

Now that you are talking about ducks i have noticed that there arent any in wow?

That's why we're talking about them. We're the Duck Awareness Brigade.

[Shadochi]

I'm back from my slumber, did anything happen during the nightshift (or morning shift I guess)

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Really? None? Not even in Pandaria? In the soup?

Nope, that is why every couple of months they come up in a discussion. The (unused?) frog duck model is the closest

[Fahrad Wagner]

I'm back from my slumber, did anything happen during the nightshift (or morning shift I guess)

Not really, we're discussing Bingo, ducks and why vampires aren't necessarily pretty

[Syegfryed]

IF blizz don't make the shadowlands allied races will be a big miss opportunity, the models are all done and ready, the point of the system was to milky people on that.

It doesn't need to be all covenants but the venthyr and the night fae should be playable

[Fahrad Wagner]

IF blizz don't make the shadowlands allied races will be a big miss opportunity, the models are all done and ready, the point of the system was to milky people on that.

It doesn't need to be all covenants but the venthyr and the night fae should be playable

I'm conflicted about that: on one hand, the races look good and cool, on the other, I don't want to see them running around in Azeroth

[Blayze]

IF blizz don't make the shadowlands allied races will be a big miss opportunity, the models are all done and ready, the point of the system was to milky people on that.

It doesn't need to be all covenants but the venthyr and the night fae should be playable

We might not get the races themselves, but counterparts like satyr.
If we do, though, I'd like the reasoning being that they're trying to keep the faction war going specifically because all the death means more anima.

[Sondrelk]

IF blizz don't make the shadowlands allied races will be a big miss opportunity, the models are all done and ready, the point of the system was to milky people on that.

It doesn't need to be all covenants but the venthyr and the night fae should be playable

The issue with covenant ARs is that Blizzard would need to make an AR for each covenant, and additionally make all of them neutral.
Spending time with a specific covenant just to not get anything is bad. And spending all that time and for the reward to be unusable is even worse. It would be the Legion ARs, just several times worse as you cannot even realistically make the race-based argument of LF Draenei or HM Tauren.

[Lady Atia]

The issue with covenant ARs is that Blizzard would need to make an AR for each covenant, and additionally make all of them neutral.
Spending time with a specific covenant just to not get anything is bad. And spending all that time and for the reward to be unusable is even worse. It would be the Legion ARs, just several times worse as you cannot even realistically make the race-based argument of LF Draenei or HM Tauren.

Well to be fair, crossfaction gameplay is coming so it doesn't even matter if they make them neutral or not. Open the gates, flood us with options!

[Fahrad Wagner]

The issue with covenant ARs is that Blizzard would need to make an AR for each covenant, and additionally make all of them neutral.
Spending time with a specific covenant just to not get anything is bad. And spending all that time and for the reward to be unusable is even worse. It would be the Legion ARs, just several times worse as you cannot even realistically make the race-based argument of LF Draenei or HM Tauren.

I agree, but Kyrian and Sylvars clearly fit Alliance better, so do Maldraxxi and Venthyr for the Horde

[Sondrelk]

Well to be fair, crossfaction gameplay is coming so it doesn't even matter if they make them neutral or not. Open the gates, flood us with options!

Crossfaction raiding is not the same as crossfaction races, otherwise it would be a far bigger deal as the available race pool for a given player has essentially doubled.

It's more that you cna imagine the Nightborne fiasco where they were tortously squeezed into the Horde purely for gameplay. Imagine that except way worse as the covenant races have no reason to pick a single faction to begin with.
Yes, a faction war themed expansion is unlikely, but it is still completely in-canon that faction conflict is happening.

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I agree, but Kyrian and Sylvars clearly fit Alliance better, so do Maldraxxi and Venthyr for the Horde

That is exactly the problem.
Sure, Maldraxxi fit the Horde slightly better. But Mograine is also an important memeber of that covenant. Not to mention all the players (me included), who only really play Alliance, and who would be miffed if my preferred covenant threw me under the bus.

What about all the Tauren NF Druids? Or Human Necrolords?
Is it fair that someone playing a Horde Paladin who has played Kyrian the entire expansion should get slapped across the hands for wanting a reward that they can actually use?


In short, I just cannot see Covenant ARs ever being something being done halfway. It seems to me like an all or nothing deal. Either we get all Covenant ARs for everyone. Or we get nothing.