Dragonflight Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[Hypester]

Do DH’s just stop playing when their one DPS is not meta, and their one Tank is not meta? Because that happens all the time and the class is still popular AFAIK.

[Sondrelk]

There is absolutely no proof I have on hand, but I don’t think many players actually swap roles on one character.

A DPS may swap to another spec to try it out or if it’s the strongest at the moment but I have rarely ever met someone who will actually “go healer”/“go tank” even when demanded in raid

You don't often see players who completely change specs on the fly. But you do however see players who want to try out different specs during content lulls. Maybe a fire mage tries out arcane during timewalking, or someone swaps to tank during questing.

Micro-classes wouldnt be able to have that. You are completely and utterly stuck with your chosen class, which while true for many players, still leaves them anemic compared to a warrior or Death Knight.

[Hypester]

You don't often see players who completely change specs on the fly. But you do however see players who want to try out different specs during content lulls. Maybe a fire mage tries out arcane during timewalking, or someone swaps to tank during questing.

Micro-classes wouldnt be able to have that. You are completely and utterly stuck with your chosen class, which while true for many players, still leaves them anemic compared to a warrior or Death Knight.

It’s a problem on paper but I don’t think it’s a problem in game, because everyone would just play a druid if they were concerned about “feeling anemic”. And while druids are one of the most played the other most played is Hunter, a pure DPS with one “weird” spec a lot of people refuse to touch. So it may as well be two specs.

So when the most popular classes are anemic vs super anti-anemic....

[Sondrelk]

Do DH’s just stop playing when their one DPS is not meta, and their one Tank is not meta? Because that happens all the time and the class is still popular AFAIK.

No. But I do hear quite often that those I know who play Demon Hunter wishes it had one more spec they could try when they are bored of playing Havoc or whatever. And similarly It is quite nice to have someone who normally does DPS that can instead tank when needed.

And while this does likely have to do with it being so recent. Demon Hunters do in fact have the lowest pariticpation rate of all the classes in WoW.

[Leowyld]

Earlier, I'd said micro classes would be the Allied Races of classes. And it has a similar advantage in terms of appeal. There are expansions where races were added, that neither of the races was something someone wanted to play - or in the case of Mists, one race. But Allied Races, with their wide variety, likely contain at least one race that a player likes. When you add a single class to an expansion, if that class isn't someone's cup of tea, they don't really get anything new. I know Wrath was less interesting to me, because I prefer ranged and Death Knight wasn't. Legion added Demon Hunter, and I don't play elves. But adding several one spec classes that are different concepts and styles, most, if not all, players would like the style of one of them - instead of having three flavors of the same thing they may not like at all (as in DK and DH, for me)

And, much like Allied Races, micro classes would be a scaleable/forward looking thing. Where they could add a few here and there in future patches. I know not everyone likes the concept and I'm not sold it will actually happen. But the idea does definitely have benefits.

[manypillars]

Microclasses are a mess because being locked to a single role in a game where you to do a lot of solo overworld questing for the current expansion and all the end game content is grouped. It's already something of a mess when you choose pure DPS.

[Hypester]

Earlier, I'd said micro classes would be the Allied Races of classes. And it has a similar advantage in terms of appeal. There are expansions where races were added, that neither of the races was something someone wanted to play - or in the case of Mists, one race. But Allied Races, with their wide variety, likely contain at least one race that a player likes. When you add a single class to an expansion, if that class isn't someone's cup of tea, they don't really get anything new. I know Wrath was less interesting to me, because I prefer ranged and Death Knight wasn't. Legion added Demon Hunter, and I don't play elves. But adding several one spec classes that are different concepts and styles, most, if not all, players would like the style of one of them - instead of having three flavors of the same thing they may not like at all (as in DK and DH, for me)

And, much like Allied Races, micro classes would be a scaleable/forward looking thing. Where they could add a few here and there in future patches. I know not everyone likes the concept and I'm not sold it will actually happen. But the idea does definitely have benefits.

I agree here with the idea of adding multiple class themes in one expansion to attract more interest as opposed to just one.

If WoW is actually in its worst spot ever, why would the Devs go with just one theme like dragons when they can also do additional things for players that don’t like dragons?

They already broke the rule with how they do races.

[Fahrad Wagner]

Microclasses are a mess because being locked to a single role in a game where you to do a lot of solo overworld questing for the current expansion and all the end game content is grouped. It's already something of a mess when you choose pure DPS.

I play a pure DPS class (mage)... and I'm doing fine. I've just accepted that I'm not supposed to solo all "group" content, and find people to assist

[Leowyld]

Microclasses are a mess because being locked to a single role in a game where you to do a lot of solo overworld questing for the current expansion and all the end game content is grouped. It's already something of a mess when you choose pure DPS.

People who do want to often switch roles obviously wouldn't pick a micro class to begin with. There are already plenty of existing classes that fill that need. But I think there are plenty of players who prefer sticking with a single role, anyway. I wouldn't be surprised if it was even a majority.

[Hypester]

I play a pure DPS class (mage)... and I'm doing fine. I've just accepted that I'm not supposed to solo all "group" content, and find people to assist

This. When you roll a mage, you are signing a contract that you will never ever tank on this character.

I know a lot of people like XIV’s “be any class!” thing but... I don’t think it’s needed.

[manypillars]

How? How is it a mess when you're a pure DPS?

Queues that are crazy long, way way more DPS in group finder than there are spots for, not being able to switch between healer/dps or ranged/melee for fights in raid.

People who do want to often switch roles obviously wouldn't pick a micro class to begin with. There are already plenty of existing classes that fill that need. But I think there are plenty of players who prefer sticking with a single role, anyway. I wouldn't be surprised if it was even a majority.

Being stuck healer can mean being tied to another player for questing.

[Fahrad Wagner]

Even then basically every spec can solo group content assuming the person playing wants to put that effort in. They can most definitely solo all open world content that isn't group content.

Plus it's an MMO so their argument was already weird to begin with.

Exactly! /10char

[ercarp]

I wonder if Blizzard has ever been influenced by any of the fake leaks by gauging the players' reaction to a specific feature. For example, if something had an overly positive reaction in the community, did they jot that down somewhere and file it under "for later"?

[Revamp Man]

This Scaleface guy provided information for Legion that sort of ended up being correct

But in 2017 he wrote a post, that sounds like he just got the information from someone on Twitter



The MMO-Champion profile he links to is now gone, but you can see it here in this post.

www mmo-champion com/threads/2249901-Battle-for-Azeroth-Alpha-Beta-General-Discussion/page1290?p=47718543&viewfull=1#post47718543

So if he only regurgitated information here on MMO-Champion, that he got from some guy on Twitter, and he also intentionally trolled by his own admission at some point, as you can see some of his information like that on Argus is outright false, why should this guy have any credibility?

Because people decide it’s good enough just like every leak season
His posts were shown on Twitter and I think he got like 4 things right out of 20

[Hypester]

Being stuck healer can mean being tied to another player for questing.

That’s the one thing I agree with. If they aren’t tuned around the idea that the lack a DPS spec, leveling them could be horrible.

[Alexjimithing]

Queues that are crazy long, way way more DPS in group finder than there are spots for, not being able to switch between healer/dps or ranged/melee for fights in raid.

Saying it's 'a mess' is exaggeration. Queues are longER, but definitely not 'crazy long'.

This. When you roll a mage, you are signing a contract that you will never ever tank on this character.

I know a lot of people like XIV’s “be any class!” thing but... I don’t think it’s needed.

For WoW the 'be any class' thing could just be solved by more things (everything!) being account wide. Besides when it comes to WoW I like to try and tie the class with the race.

[Dragon ANX]

I play a pure DPS class (mage)... and I'm doing fine. I've just accepted that I'm not supposed to solo all "group" content, and find people to assist

I'll go further, i only play Fire Mage, so i dont even have a pet, like you i just accepted my choice.
Many mmo have just 1 class, so if you pick healer you dont have a extra dps/tank spec you just have to deal with the choice you made, nothing new to RPGs.
I dont know why people are going arround like "OMG A CLASS WITH ONLY HEAL/TANK SPEC, SUCH BIZARRE SETUP", like wtf?

[Leowyld]

Healer specs are absolutely capable of questing. Not too long ago, I played my first ever priest (in 15+ years as a player). Took him to 50 through quests as Holy. It's definitely doable.

[Fahrad Wagner]

I'll go further i only play Fire Mage, so i dont even have a pet, like you i just accepted my choice.
Many mmo have just 1 class, so if you pick healer you dont have a extra dps/tank spec you just have to deal with the choice you made, nothing new to RPGs.
I dont why people are going arround like "OMG A CLASS WITH ONLY HEAL/TANK SPEC, SUCH BIZARRE SETUP", like wtf?

Arcane here, so same. And yeah, it's just a ratio of versatily vs class fantasy. For some players, the first one is more important, to me it's the second. Mage could become the worst dps in the whole bunch, I'd still play a mage!

[Ferlion]

Because people decide it’s good enough just like every leak season
His posts were shown on Twitter and I think he got like 4 things right out of 20

Because that's a bunch.

It's not something I'm overly proud of, but the person who leaked WoD got the information from me, who I got from someone else, etc, etc. They posted on the WoW forums, here and somewhere else, but the expansion, while correct was wildly different from what was in that leak.

Like, it sounded completely different except for some common thematics.