Dragonflight Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[Shadochi]

in order to lift the FF14 content style, Blizzard would have to put out a big patch every 3-4 months instead of 7-8 months.

I mean in theory that was the case with Legion, every 77 days. We got the 7.x patches with the story and new systems and then 7.x.5 11 weeks later with the raid and some other changes, then another 11 weeks later another 7.x patch IIRC.

I would much prefer them to return to this style of patches,

And also all .x and .x.5 patches felt nicely sized

[SniperCT]

I mean in theory that was the case with Legion, every 77 days. We got the 7.x patches with the story and new systems and then 7.x.5 11 weeks later with the raid and some other changes, then another 11 weeks later another 7.x patch IIRC.

I would much prefer them to return to this style of patches,

And also all .x and .x.5 patches felt nicely sized

Yeah, we don't need a new raid every major patch honestly. That could free up resources for more story based stuff as well as new/existing features.

I think wow players have so long treated 'no raid in major patch= patch must be terrible' for too long tho

[Shadochi]

Yeah, we don't need a new raid every major patch honestly. That could free up resources for more story based stuff as well as new/existing features.

I think wow players have so long treated 'no raid in major patch= patch must be terrible' for too long tho

Honestly story wise legion start was pretty well paced for (7.0, 7.1, 7.1.5). Even after reaching max level you spent some time unlocking story with class campaigns and unlocking suramar, profession quests, then shortlty after 7.1 hit with a Karazhan Questline, new Questline for Odyn and Helya IIRC (along with the raid) and the new suramar campaign to prepare for the raid. 7.1.5 wasn't too heavy on the story but still had some IIRC and Brawlers Guild for additional content.

In 7.2 the story kinda fell off with the Campaign with almost all filler chapters.

Would like to see a whole expansion where they manage to pull of the early legion amount of story

[Murlocos]

They were experimenting with raidless major patches in Cata and MoP. Cata was sort of doomed from the jump though with 4.1 taking about as long as a "regular" patch and them abandoning it afterwards. I think MoP did a better job with it, though frankly I can't tell you anything about 5.3 at all aside from there being stuff in the Barrens. I like the idea of it, more frequent but smaller patches, but their inability to maintain a consistent roadmap and patch cycle makes it more unattractive.

[Three Faced Goddess]

They are so on purpose. This isn't Twilight sparklepires.

You realize there are beautiful vampires in folklore, right? The Dearg Due from Celtic mythology is one example among many. Being ugly (I don't think Venthyr are ugly) isn't a qualification for being a vampire. Something can be both beautiful and deadly.

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They can also just be hideous bloodthirsty monsters. The generalised "attractive" vampire myth is rather modern, in ancient myths, descriptions of vampires vary quite a lot, from the original seductive blood-drinking temptress à la Lilith to the bloated blood thirsty creatures coming out of graves hunting for victims. The vampire myth exists in many different shades.

This right here. Thank you Fahrad! All types of vampire are valid!

[Jotunhammer]

The great reveal is that World of Warcraft is going Unreal Engine 5. woot woot

[huth]

You realize there are beautiful vampires in folklore, right? The Dearg Due from Celtic mythology is one example among many. Being ugly (I don't think Venthyr are ugly) isn't a qualification for being a vampire. Something can be both beautiful and deadly.

But neither is it a disqualification. And the Venthyr in particular were purposely designed to look like Orlok.

[Chickat]

It’s all good. We’ll see who was right in a matter of days. Either way, I hope the new addition is beneficial to the health of the game.

Interestingly at the comic convention I’m currently attending, I spoke with an artist who was selling some WoW art. We got to talking about the next expansion, and she mentioned how cool it would be to play an actual dragon like the aspects. She hadn’t even seen the Alexstraza pic, I had simply told her that the next expansion was called Dragonflight. .

I thought that that was interesting, and just shows what a potential gold mine Blizzard has in their midst if they play their cards right.

I don't really care who was right tbh I just want something fun to play. It can be tinkers or red dragons. Needs to be mostly ranged tho imo.

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I think the best way they could do a full world revamp is by making zone revamps into patch content. Imagine if they revamped like 2-3 old zones with every patch and added max-level content in addition to overhauling the leveling quests.

I would be fine with a whole revamp everyone's expansion no new zones tbh.

[ro9ue]

But neither is it a disqualification. And the Venthyr in particular were purposely designed to look like Orlok.

The males look exactly like the guy from The Strain.

[Chickat]

I really want to give it a serious try soon

You should do it in the wait for 10.0. I'm still working on the first expansion but it's really good. Does some things better than wow some worse, but overall if you like story content or wacky stuff that just exists for fun it's worth it.

[Zankai27]

I don't really care who was right tbh I just want something fun to play. It can be tinkers or red dragons. Needs to be mostly ranged tho imo.

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I would be fine with a whole revamp everyone's expansion no new zones tbh.

If we get something that has a ranged spec and a healing spec, I'm gucci. If it's dragon-based I'd also like a tank spec or a Dragoon-esque Melee spec, but I'll mainly be focused on whatever cool new healing spec we get anyway. Please please please

Edit: Also, the Venthyr are supposed to be "unattractive" vampires, they're literally designed like Nosferatu

[Chickat]

I mean, I am known to sometimes be something of a petty b*tch.
And I stand by that.

I definitely think she will have some presence. Just not a huge one.

[Three Faced Goddess]

But neither is it a disqualification. And the Venthyr in particular were purposely designed to look like Orlok.

Nope, it isn't. There are many different kinds of vampire in mythology and folklore. The Penanggalan and lilitu are particularly interesting. I like all vampires, whether beautiful or "ugly." Count Orlok sort of resembles the Abhartach of Celtic Folklore too.

I find it interesting that Nosferatu, possibly the earliest film featuring vampires, was lost for sometime because of the story essentially plagiarized Bram Stoker's Dracula and his widow wasn't happy about that one bit.

[huth]

The males look exactly like the guy from The Strain.

Most likely common inspiration.

Count Orlok is pretty much the proto-Venthyr.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Count_Orlok

Even the hands look the same.

Edit: Also, the Venthyr are supposed to be "unattractive" vampires, they're literally designed like Nosferatu

Nosferatu is the name of the movie. The vampire is Orlok.

[Izalla]

The males look exactly like the guy from The Strain.

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[IMG]https://gnomecore.files.wordpress.com/2020/11/lord-chamberlani.jpg[IMG]

The hair on that second picture just makes me think of Gary Oldman in the 1992 movie haha

[Chickat]

Basically how I feel about them as well. Being too lazy to create a full class and releasing half-assed versions of them under the pretense of them being "micro-classes" just sounds bad no matter how I look at it.

It's like selling you a car that's missing half its features and claiming that "it's okay because it's a Micro Car™! It's intended to be shit!"

EDIT: Seriously, which one would you choose:

- 1 fully functioning car that has ALL the features it needs.

OR

- 4 micro-cars: 1 has a steering wheel, 1 has brakes, 1 has a radio, and 1 has an extra seat at the back.

I agree 1 4 spec class is better but 4 1 spec classes would not be lazy. That would take a lot more work than 1 class. 2 to 3 times the work.

[Revamp Man]

The overall plot will most likely be a traditional Warcraft-style "bring everyone together to defeat a greater evil". Beyond that, I hope we get some new (good) lore and a few burning questions answered, such as:

- Who is An'she's personification? (We know Mu'sha is Elune and Lo'sho is most likely the Winter Queen).
- What's the connection between Eonar, Elune, and Elunaria? Why are there dragons on Elunaria? And why does Eonar, a Titan of the Pantheon of Order, have so much control over Life (which is its own cosmic force)?
- Is Draconic really the language used by the cosmic force of Life? And if so, why?
- What are the real origins of the dragons? The current understanding that they "evolved from elementals" feels like a cop-out that is likely to get retconned.
- Who is the Earth Mother really? Is it Eonar? Azeroth? Or someone else?

an'she is likely a member of the pantheon of life
Eonar might be another sister of Elune similar to the Winter Queen im assuming each pantheon has a member from a different cosmic force on it or they have a connection to a different force and Elune along with the pantheon of order were needed to make aspects which makes you wonder what were all of their powers and do their powers have other possibilities like an aspect of death or an aspect of fel??
I wouldnt say its the language used by life but likely a language created by the first ones who likely have a connection to dragons
Based on the requirement for the powers of life&death&order to make aspects one could say they were created by the mixing of multiple forces
i think the earth mother is Azeroth

[Chickat]

This. When you roll a mage, you are signing a contract that you will never ever tank on this character.

I know a lot of people like XIV’s “be any class!” thing but... I don’t think it’s needed.

It's not needed but if it's not gonna exist they need to expand the amount of stuff that's account wide.

[Three Faced Goddess]

Technically Shadochi larpers can soon be called related-to-blizz-dev-larpers (since im an MS dev)

Are you really? Speaking of MS, I can't wait to hear actual news on Fable.

Back on track: I can't wait for Tuesday. I'm actually fucking excited about the next expansion as much as I'm trying to tamp down my expectations.

PS: I think most of us here know that you wouldn't post the kind of crap, the Thing spouts. You're too likeable apparently, that's inspired our denizen, rapidly devolving troglodyte to try and impersonate you.

@Scaleface Thanks for promoting discussion with your puzzle. I still think you're full of shit, but you're a pretty cool due and I'd be glad to be wrong.

[ATZenith]

So I’ve heard about some Evoker leak that came from here? What is the validity of it? Any other interesting leaks I missed?