Dragonflight Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[Vakir]

I'd play the shit out of those troggs.

[Chickat]

I can see arcane mage maybe manipulating matter and going more into the arcane blast direction

Honestly it would be cool for arcane to deal gravity damage. Pure arcane and gravity abilities.

[delphiskye]

I feel like that would end up hewing way to close to a Dragoon and that would definitely be something Blizz probably wants to avoid.

mmm true, main reason for thinking that is Blizz has one pattern since Wrath the wrap around the edge has to do with the xpac theme and Green dragon wings is the Wrap this time

[Chickat]

This is absolutely true. Current LFR is somehow both way too easy and way too complicated for the audience it was originally meant for. They need to find someway to either turn it into a story mode in a full non-winged form for either solo or small group play. Or figure out a way to balance it so that the only way to increase difficulty without increasing complexity is turning bosses into damage sponges that feel awful to fight.

Normal isn't actually easier but it sure as hell feels like it because it isnt forced to be tuned around LFR.

I think lfr needs few mechanics. Take 1 to 3 of the important fight defining mechanics and make them harder. Remove the rest and make the bosses die faster. 2 to 3 min fights instead. Easy if 75% of the raid does the few mechanics. If not you wipe and it teaches u the most important parts of the fight.

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Appears to be using the new "World" text, consistent with the Alexstrasza picture.

I look forward to our waifu quest giver.

[FossilFree]

That kobold concept is great! I'd play it for sure. Now I want to see him make one for gnolls.

[ChronoSul]

We sucked out its power with our artifacts.

Thought we sucked out the fel energies not the rest? Or is it because no one paid attention to this bit of info that people still complain about the sword?

[Chickat]

I do admit it made me laugh to just click to the last page (there being like 15+ pages since i last visited) and see "remove LFR" talk again.

What year is it? Hah.

While I'd like to see it's removal I think it's never gonna happen. What could happen is tuning it differently to actually be a teaching tool. Having all the mechanics of normal but hitting like noodles teaches people nothing. Fewer abilities but all there are important and can wipe you. Faster fights to compensate so a wipe isn't a big deal.

[Malorne the White Stag]

https://www.artstation.com/artwork/WKBQEE

This is what nightmares are made of

The only thing I would change is the mount. It should be a giant mole like the hearthstone Gravelsnout Knight card.

[Chickat]

I mean realistically most Normal PuGs only ever look for ilvl and MAYBE some look at M+ rating as an additional qualifier. So there seems to be little reason not to make Normal available to a queue just with a decent starting ilvl.

However there IS a reason to not do that. And that's the social health of the game. There are numerous small social guilds and their glue is normal raiding. Make it available on a queue and you may well kill all of them. The relatively skilled players who are the only reason those guilds ever clear a raid will be gone and those guilds will collapse. It will be even worse if you make Heroic available on a queue.

It's a really interesting conundrum.

Also I think currently mythic raiding is too hard. Sure have a hard mythic+ mode with cosmetics but there's a reason people aren't clearing raids as much as they used too. Mythic should be as hard as current heroic raids maybe slightly harder. That's it.

[Das Thora]

Final predictions

Main 10.0 enemy is in fact Chromatus
Each patch is genuinely its own story this time with 10.1 having an entirely different focus from the Chromatic dragonflight
New Caverns of Time instances
Dragon Isles is a small continent with some revamped zones in the old world (remember, we now have Quel'thalas hints, Lordaeron rebuilding, new human building models, and those Northrend zone updated models)
There is some cutesy or pretty race in the Dragon Isles we've never heard of
The Light is the B plot with Turalyon doing bad shit to build up 11.0 or maybe just 10.3
Dragonsworn class (3 specs at most)
No new races
No class skins
No level cap increase, Shadowlands becomes Chromie time content
Squish to 50
World quest system change
Instead of covenants you pick a lore figure to hang out with basically (examples; Wrathian, Alexstrazsa, Khadgar, Magni, etc)

[Izalla]

Who was it that made the bingo card template? Can anyone post it again or link back to it?

[SniperCT]

Final predictions

Main 10.0 enemy is in fact Chromatus
Each patch is genuinely its own story this time with 10.1 having an entirely different focus from the Chromatic dragonflight
New Caverns of Time instances
Dragon Isles is a small continent with some revamped zones in the old world (remember, we now have Quel'thalas hints, Lordaeron rebuilding, new human building models, and those Northrend zone updated models)
There is some cutesy or pretty race in the Dragon Isles we've never heard of
The Light is the B plot with Turalyon doing bad shit to build up 11.0 or maybe just 10.3
Dragonsworn class (3 specs at most)
No new races
No class skins
No level cap increase, Shadowlands becomes Chromie time content
Squish to 50
World quest system change
Instead of covenants you pick a lore figure to hang out with basically (examples; Wrathian, Alexstrazsa, Khadgar, Magni, etc)

I'd like pretty much all of this.

I'd like to add:

No more pvp level ranges. Instanced PvP scales you up to 60. You have pvp skills and stats. Gear is meaningless*. Rewards are XP, gold, cosmetics and mounts. What makes you win/lose is not stats but how good a player you are in PvP and how well you work with your team. You hit level 10 and can level to 60 only in pvp if you want.

*It'll have stats for world pvp but equivalent to similar ilevel PvE gear.

[Jodmos]

Who was it that made the bingo card template? Can anyone post it again or link back to it?

https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads...1#post53704946

[Izalla]

https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads...1#post53704946

Thank you muchly!

[ChronoSul]

I'd like pretty much all of this.

I'd like to add:

No more pvp level ranges. Instanced PvP scales you up to 60. You have pvp skills and stats. Gear is meaningless*. Rewards are XP, gold, cosmetics and mounts. What makes you win/lose is not stats but how good a player you are in PvP and how well you work with your team. You hit level 10 and can level to 60 only in pvp if you want.

*It'll have stats for world pvp but equivalent to similar ilevel PvE gear.

They tried this in legion and ended going back on it. So even tho it would be better for the game i doubt we will see this again :/

[SniperCT]

They tried this in legion and ended going back on it. So even tho it would be better for the game i doubt we will see this again :/

And I loved it in Legion.

It's my favorite part about pvp in ff14 lol

[Nightshade711]

I'd like pretty much all of this.

I'd like to add:

No more pvp level ranges. Instanced PvP scales you up to 60. You have pvp skills and stats. Gear is meaningless*. Rewards are XP, gold, cosmetics and mounts. What makes you win/lose is not stats but how good a player you are in PvP and how well you work with your team. You hit level 10 and can level to 60 only in pvp if you want.

*It'll have stats for world pvp but equivalent to similar ilevel PvE gear.

I agree with this at least for random BGs. Not fun having an instant loss because a few people are low geared.
Not to mention it's such a slog to actually try and gear through PvP if you don't have someone to carry you through arenas and/or RBGs.

The only bad thing is we could have a Legion scenario where every patch there's one really OP class in PvP. But if blizz balanced PvP separate from PvE it would probably be better.

Also I disliked the stat templates in Legion, I preferred the scaling in BfA so I could still target specific stats.

[Revamp Man]

I also had thought, if the dragons are repowered again I could see the storm dragons getting empowered given we have a titan whose main domain is sea and storms.
Just depends on how. I could see us either going to the seat of the pantheon directly or using some titan maguffin to communicate with it & have the titans send a portion of their power through.

I’m assuming the new aspects would be empowered by Azeroth herself

[Das Thora]

Regarding the world revamp discussion, I feel like people are missing a lot of preexisting clues.

It's not just the Lordaeron and Quel'thalas stuff that we've seen lately.

We've had clues for years at this point.

The entire Warfront system was possibly a side-effect of new assets being made. Would they really redo all those Ashenvale and Barrens assets for a (potentially scrapped) Warfront or a battleground refresh? Just look at the Night Elf base in WSG! It's got the same level of quality as Ardenweald.

They've also redone pretty much every critter and creature across KA and EK. What for, if the zones are to remain low-res?

They're testing improved weather systems in OG and SW.

They snuck refreshes of Silithus, Arathi, and Darkshore in there, easing some of the workload for 10.0.

We've got new unused assets like human buildings.

Kul Tiras and Zandalar conveniently shared almost all the biomes found on KA and EK, allowing them to produce the assets needed for 10.0 all the way back in 8.0.

Even a random-ass Gnome zone from out of nowhere, giving them lots of stuff for a Gnomeregan refresh. Let's not forget Nazjatar which contains a lot of what they need for Azeroth's updated coastline.

Oh and how about the fact that they made Exile's Reach and Chromie Time, so it's fine to remove all the old starting zone experiences and load expansion quests.

The list goes on.

Hell, this isn't even including the Draenei and Orc buildings and the like they could rip from Draenor to use in Kalimdor.

It also wasn't just BFA that was conveniently just remakes of old zones. Broken Isles were like that too.

[delphiskye]

the red saturation in the pic was hassling me it looked like someone had run a filter over it this is what it looks like with out it