Dragonflight Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[Fartlas]

Most of the specs are not like that. There are a few that keeps changing constantly. Mostly they remain mostly the same for very long baring new abilities that tweak gameplay a bit. I will give an example of the spec I play like resto druid. The core gameplay of the spec remains the same since like forever.

Let me direct you to the history of Demo locks.

[Wildmoon]

Let me direct you to the history of Demo locks.

As I said there are exceptions but mostly they do not change that much in the core part.

[Izalla]

I wish they stopped timegating the story. I think at least Naz'jatar and Zereth Mortis do have a full set of questlines and side quests in them that explore the entire zone; most other sandbox zones do not. But even with the quests being there the timegating breaks the pace too much. If you are going to gate the story do it in a meaningful and interactive way like with Isle of Thunder.

Isle of Thunder was the first time since I started playing in early 2009 that I actually kept up with my dailies every single day and enjoyed doing so. I didn't commit to anything like that again until the start of BFA when I made sure I hit exalted with the vulpera ASAP in case they released them as a race haha

[Syegfryed]

They killed Admiral Taylor in WoD specifically because of Nazgrim's death in SoO. They're having Anduin go Thrall-mode and peace out because the Horde lost Sylvanas

The only time it's ever been the other way around was killing Vol'jin because of Varian, and he's coming back so it doesn't even matter anymore.

What alliance lost when the horde lost Garrosh? gallywix? Saurfang? Zaela of the dragonmaw? Even when alliance lost the dwarf leader they got 3 in return, horde spend years without an orc or a troll leader, Admiral taylor and Nazgrin are small potatoes compared with what they did with vol'jin

[Revamp Man]

We will neither get housing or NPC dating.

Biggest waste of resources.

They need to fix the Game and not add pointless stuff like the above.

Yes because the team that designs class gameplay is the same team that designs social systems

[Hitei]

Also I love it that farming transmog is cool varied content, but farming furniture would be pointless side content.

Shopping for clothes is enjoyable for many people, but shopping for a new dresser or wardrobe is something people are generally significantly less enthusiastic about. Transmog is a feature you can use every second you are playing, from roleplaying to race to world first, and RBGs to farming herbs or fish. Furniture is something that sits in an isolated room you don't see unless you are actively not playing any of the main parts of the game people spend most of their time playing.

[KayRule]

What alliance lost when the horde lost Garrosh? gallywix? Saurfang? Zaela of the dragonmaw?

Nothing, as it should be. There shouldn't need to be a balance when a character is written off or killed. That's fucking terrible storytelling. That's how we get garbage like Vol'jin getting killed off.

[keygy]

then maybe im the exception but i like when blizzard overhauls the classes, for me the problems if that blizzard touch classes but we are essentialy with the same core specs but changing some things here and there, i wanna see a new core mechanics, im bored of the same gameplays after 6-8 years of the same talents, we need fresh things.

For me adding a new talent that add a button that you press each 30 or 45s is not "gameplay changes" for example dk frost, how many expansion we have BoS?(is only a example a like a lot bos talent), you can add talents or remove talents but the core mechanic of sindragosa its more or less the same, if you dont remove the core talents you are not gonna see new gameplays, because you are dragging mechanics from past expansions.

we have 4 expansion now from wod to SL now, i think its time to be radical and do new things to the classes.

[Dracullus]

It's not really the playerbase when the game gives you no incentives to actually not rush to the endgame. There is nothing to do before that.

I don't understand. In expansion you have ~8 hours of narrative content that is even mandatory to do before endgame. You can do it on any pace you want, game not rush you reach engame ASAP, game doesn't slow you down. Every minute before you hit max level is filled with content. Even better, game gives you no incentive to reach endgame with some faster skiping methods - no, you have to finish whole main story to reach endgame.

For sure I wouldn't want cruise new players through every expansion and try all older raids. SL leveling was best decision for WoW in years. Many people complain about vertical progression in WoW, but in leveling we finally have freedom. Only missing piece is enabling to do alternative expansions for 50-60 levels on alts.

[micwini]

Maybe they'll grow a new World Tree in EK, like how in the original pre-dev days they intended to have one in Quel'thalas

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Okay, well let's do better than Blizzard and not present ideas that rely on them continuing to do this.

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Thank you and that looks amazing with the images and stuff!

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isn't memes the whole point?

I play to win.

[Nymrohd]

Isle of Thunder was the first time since I started playing in early 2009 that I actually kept up with my dailies every single day and enjoyed doing so. I didn't commit to anything like that again until the start of BFA when I made sure I hit exalted with the vulpera ASAP in case they released them as a race haha

There was so much flavour on the island. The scenarios at the different levels of advancement were excellent (and I've done them on multiple characters since) there was a decent amount of exploration, content had several levels and MoP made sure that most of the rares had some mechanic that actually mattered. I don't think the exact mix has been successfully replicated since.

[Sondrelk]

Nothing, as it should be. There shouldn't need to be a balance when a character is written off or killed. That's fucking terrible storytelling. That's how we get garbage like Vol'jin getting killed off.

You do need some balance though, otherwise you might end up with blatantly unfair stuff like only goblins being supposed to get a mount in Cata.

Also I feel like Vol'jin died because the writers wanted Sylvanas to get front and center.
A better example would probably be Alliance attacking Undercity after Teldrassil, which would have been much better as the midpoint of BfA instead of Dazar'alor.

[Syegfryed]

The Classes wouldnt end up this bad if Blizzard didnt intentionally butcher them starting from WoD and going specifically into Legion with their horrible Spec focus.

This was so true, after MOP classes went to shit, they cut so much abilities and start to trim the classes with the lame excuse of "class fantasy". Ironic how the class fantasy got ruined when they tried to work with it, is like a reverse midas touch.

I believe half of the game enjoyment is cut if the class you play don't feel good, so, no matter how good or bad the content is, if your class isn't as good as used to be will let players with a bad taste.

I remember early days i could spend an entire day just running random BGs, because all the classes i played felt good, i even level up to the max just doing that with two classes, but after MOP the class enjoyment decreased exponentially . I hate with all my guts to do the same random bgs in BfA or Legion.

Legion was also a hell to do world PVP, with tanks one shot everyone with absurd damage, and they never did anything to address it, how i miss MOP...

[JDBlou]

Nothing, as it should be. There shouldn't need to be a balance when a character is written off or killed. That's fucking terrible storytelling. That's how we get garbage like Vol'jin getting killed off.

Agreed, when you make faction storytelling transactional, everyone loses.

[KayRule]

Yeah, in my opinion Isle of Thunder, Timeless Isle, Nazjatar and Mechagon are the peak of end-game content design. Nazjatar to a lesser extent, but it coming out WITH Mechagon and giving player two endgame island options to choose from was one of the best design decisions they ever made.

[Nymrohd]

It's not really the playerbase when the game gives you no incentives to actually not rush to the endgame. There is nothing to do before that. So yes, it is very much a game issue. On your topic of Classic, yes you are correct, but that's mostly because Classic was actually really bad but an even worse playerbase back in the day made it look like this amazing thing

I'd say that since Legion the exact opposite is true; you HAVE an incentive to rush to endgame. Every world quest cycle lost is progression you cannot recover. God forbid you take more than three days, then you are even losing an emissary.
Endgame is so packed with FOMO daily content that it's really no surprise people rush. Doesn't help that the rewards for doing the story are miniscule; loremaster is not even needed for flight anymore and story rep rewards are pitiful so as to lengthen the rep grind (when they used to be substantial)

[Syegfryed]

Nothing, as it should be. There shouldn't need to be a balance when a character is written off or killed. That's fucking terrible storytelling. That's how we get garbage like Vol'jin getting killed off.

But thats the point, it only happens if the alliance lost something, but mind you, this trend only started with "recent" wow, after wod.

What im talking most is balance like we had in cata, mirrored quests, so everyone can get the content with their view, like When Horde did quests with Nazgrin the alliance would do the same with Taylor.

The world geopolitics still is a good point cause its one of the reasons the races are there, to keep the other in check, Forsaken serving as foothold in EK and night elves as foothold in Kalindor, if the elves leave for EK the alliance would be basically losing the continent and that isn't interesting for warfare conflicts that will exist in the future.

[Nymrohd]

This was so true, after MOP classes went to shit, they cut so much abilities and start to trim the classes with the lame excuse of "class fantasy". Ironic how the class fantasy got ruined when they tried to work with it, is like a reverse midas touch.

I believe half of the game enjoyment is cut if the class you play don't feel good, so, no matter how good or bad the content is, if your class isn't as good as used to be will let players with a bad taste.

I remember early days i could spend an entire day just running random BGs, because all the classes i played felt good, i even level up to the max just doing that with two classes, but after MOP the class enjoyment decreased exponentially . I hate with all my guts to do the same random bgs in BfA or Legion.

Legion was also a hell to do world PVP, with tanks one shot everyone with absurd damage, and they never did anything to address it, how i miss MOP...

The thing is, there is a reason MoP classes felt good. They were POWERFUL. Every class could do everything. Casting while moving was also prevalent.

I absolutely loved it but the amount of hate Blizz got for "homogenizing" and the difficulty in balancing pvp when noone really had a pronounced weakness doomed the design. I'd love to return to it though. Just imagine M+ with MoP class design.

[Wangming]

Isle of Thunder was the first time since I started playing in early 2009 that I actually kept up with my dailies every single day and enjoyed doing so. I didn't commit to anything like that again until the start of BFA when I made sure I hit exalted with the vulpera ASAP in case they released them as a race haha

Ahh an actual fan of Vulpera. I remember trying them out on the PTR and their racials were broken as fuck. Also really like your new profile pic. Liked the old one too, but this is even better.

[Nymrohd]

Yeah, in my opinion Isle of Thunder, Timeless Isle, Nazjatar and Mechagon are the peak of end-game content design. Nazjatar to a lesser extent, but it coming out WITH Mechagon and giving player two endgame island options to choose from was one of the best design decisions they ever made.

Mechagon was really special with how innovative they were. If it did not look like a trashyard (which I know is what it's supposed to look but still) it would probably be my first pick. Like, imagine Mechagon mechanics but inside the city in an underground type zone (which would block it from flying and keep us on the jetpacks).